Four photographers arrested under section 41

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swanseamale47 said:
So your saying the police released 4 terrorists?
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Your twisting words and taking them out of context. Funny though but how many people on this thread are complaining about them holding them, yet had they not held them because they were, as you say just photographers and then went on to blow up the nuclear plant you would be up in arms as to why the police weren't doing there job. Again you can't have your cake and eat it let the police do their job and stop pretending you like actually know what happened there, not everything you read in the tabloids is true!!

swanseamale47 said:
So exactly how was locking up 4 photographers for 36 hours made the world a safer place? I'm not afraid of being blown up (allready happened and I'm still here) but I have never been attacked by photographers or blown up by an SB800 (did have a metz that went bang once though :)) so they seem less of a threat to me. Creating a climate of fear helps the terrorist, we are in danger of creating our own terror.
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Again twisting words out of context to fit your own agenda (what ever that maybe, maybe you just like troll). I appreciate some of what your saying but not everyone with a camera is just like you, same as not everyone with a gun is a rampaging homicidal maniac. Yet the police as have to make a decision as to which one was is a possible threat and which one isn't, sometimes that requires further questioning. The police didn't arrest and hold them because they were using canon's instead of Nikon. They would have had some reason what ever that maybe, to hold them. Know matter how clever or well informed you may think you are you will never know what was said, seen or heard at the time of questioning or what even came up in a background check.

This thread is just full of assumptions and everyone trying to second guess. I could easily say the police found traces of explosives on them when a sniffer dog was called out, doesn't make it true its just an assumption. Out of curiosity how many people on this thread were actually there and can give some actual details..............
 
pitkin2020 said:
Your twisting words and taking them out of context. Funny though but how many people on this thread are complaining about them holding them, yet had they not held them because they were, as you say just photographers and then went on to blow up the nuclear plant you would be up in arms as to why the police weren't doing there job. Again you can't have your cake and eat it let the police do their job and stop pretending you like actually know what happened there, not everything you read in the tabloids is true!!



Again twisting words out of context to fit your own agenda (what ever that maybe, maybe you just like troll). I appreciate some of what your saying but not everyone with a camera is just like you, same as not everyone with a gun is a rampaging homicidal maniac. Yet the police as have to make a decision as to which one was is a possible threat and which one isn't, sometimes that requires further questioning. The police didn't arrest and hold them because they were using canon's instead of Nikon. They would have had some reason what ever that maybe, to hold them. Know matter how clever or well informed you may think you are you will never know what was said, seen or heard at the time of questioning or what even came up in a background check.

This thread is just full of assumptions and everyone trying to second guess. I could easily say the police found traces of explosives on them when a sniffer dog was called out, doesn't make it true its just an assumption. Out of curiosity how many people on this thread were actually there and can give some actual details..............
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You really don't like people having different opinions to yourself do you.
I'm not trolling and I'm not making it personal.
Obviously if your happy to be stopped and locked up every time you go near one of the dozens of sensitive places in the UK with your camera good luck, persoanlly I want a bit more freedom.
 
pitkin2020 said:
Your twisting words and taking them out of context. Funny though but how many people on this thread are complaining about them holding them, yet had they not held them because they were, as you say just photographers and then went on to blow up the nuclear plant you would be up in arms as to why the police weren't doing there job. Again you can't have your cake and eat it let the police do their job and stop pretending you like actually know what happened there, not everything you read in the tabloids is true!!



Again twisting words out of context to fit your own agenda (what ever that maybe, maybe you just like troll). I appreciate some of what your saying but not everyone with a camera is just like you, same as not everyone with a gun is a rampaging homicidal maniac. Yet the police as have to make a decision as to which one was is a possible threat and which one isn't, sometimes that requires further questioning. The police didn't arrest and hold them because they were using canon's instead of Nikon. They would have had some reason what ever that maybe, to hold them. Know matter how clever or well informed you may think you are you will never know what was said, seen or heard at the time of questioning or what even came up in a background check.

This thread is just full of assumptions and everyone trying to second guess. I could easily say the police found traces of explosives on them when a sniffer dog was called out, doesn't make it true its just an assumption. Out of curiosity how many people on this thread were actually there and can give some actual details..............
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swanseamale47 said:
You really don't like people having different opinions to yourself do you.
I'm not trolling and I'm not making it personal.
Obviously if your happy to be stopped and locked up every time you go near one of the dozens of sensitive places in the UK with your camera good luck, persoanlly I want a bit more freedom.
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Who's being stopped and locked up every time they g near a sensitive area with a camera? There seems to e an ongoing assumption that it was just a case of locking up 4 guys for 36 hours because they had cameras. Why on earth would the police want to do that?
 
fabs said:
There seems to e an ongoing assumption that it was just a case of locking up 4 guys for 36 hours because they had cameras. Why on earth would the police want to do that?
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Why indeed? Why were the only details made available by the police were the facts that they were a) Asian and b) Photographing? Presumably these were deemed to be relevant - otherwise they'd have included other irrelevant information.
 
hollis_f said:
Why indeed? Why were the only details made available by the police were the facts that they were a) Asian and b) Photographing? Presumably these were deemed to be relevant - otherwise they'd have included other irrelevant information.
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It was also reported that suspicious substances were found at the property. What makes you think that the police will make all relevant information available? If they are involved in an investigation, they will only make available information that won't prejudice any possible case.
 
Urban Grimshaw said:
A bunch of white guys taking photos, and a bunch of 'Middle Eastern' guys taking photos.. Let's face it, one bunch of guys is more likely to get arrested than the other. Whether that's right or wrong, that's the way it is.
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and that may be because at present the majority of the terror threat is from those of an asian/middle eastern appearance

if this was the mid 70s or 80s when the main threat was from the IRA (who had few, if any black or asian members) chances are it would be the white guys who would be more likely to be deemed potential terrorists.

and lets not forget that we arent talking about four guys randomly taking photos in the street , but four guys taking photos of a nuclear powerplant the day after OBL got taken out

What would prefer a slightly over protective police force, or a blown up nuclear station threatening to melt down and the police saying "well we didnt like to detain them when we had the chance because some people might say we were being racist "
 
swanseamale47 said:
You really don't like people having different opinions to yourself do you.
I'm not trolling and I'm not making it personal.
Obviously if your happy to be stopped and locked up every time you go near one of the dozens of sensitive places in the UK with your camera good luck, persoanlly I want a bit more freedom.
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I have no issue with anyone that has a different opinion to myself, your free to think what ever you will. You are coming across though as your speaking facts rather than opinions.
As for visiting sensitive sites within the UK I have been to a few, been met by security and the police and I am yet to even go near a cell so clearly its not the case.

Maybe if you took a moment to see the other side of the coin and realise that not everyone has good intentions and the police being only human doesn't know who you are or what you are doing when they come across you in these situations. If you actually explain to them what you are doing you are more then likely to just be told to go on your way if you really have nothing to hide.
 
hollis_f said:
Why indeed? Why were the only details made available by the police were the facts that they were a) Asian and b) Photographing? Presumably these were deemed to be relevant - otherwise they'd have included other irrelevant information.
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How do you know they were the only details released?? Did you see the press release or did you just read the copy that is likely to sell papers??

Why is it only a problem that the story released was "4 asian photographers arrested", how is it any different to "4 white/african/irish/scotish photographers arrested", its no different at all but the "Im not a racist" bandwagon jump all over it because race was mentioned, race is irrelevant its fact if that is there origin.

EDIT : care to share a link of where your statement was confirmed by the police as every article I can find states its unconfirmed or is beleived to be of bangledeshi origin, I haven't found one that says confirmed by police.
yahoo news 4th may
Reports that the five men had been filming the Sellafield site and are all Bangladeshi have not been confirmed by police.

bbc news 4th may
The men, all thought to be of Bangladeshi origin, were held in Carlisle overnight on Monday and then moved to Manchester the following day.

Sky news 5th may
Sky sources said it is understood the men were Bangladeshis and were taking photographs of the plant.
 
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pitkin2020 said:
not everyone has good intentions .
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:agree:

Its like with the every photographer is not a P**** arguement - of course 99% of the guys walking in the park with cameras are doing nothing wrong , but scum do exist who photograph kids faces and photoshop them onto child porn to "refresh" the experience :puke: plus you do (very occasionally) get paedos out taking pictures of kids - so what are the police supposed to do when a concerned parent points out the slightly suspect guy with a camera - ignore it ?

The same aplies here - just because the vast majority of people are not doing anything wrong it doesnt automatically follow that no one is, and we shouldnt automatically jump to the conclusion that the police are acting wrongly everytime they stop or question a photographer.

so long as they stay inside the law and follow PACE etc surely its not asking too much to accept that they are doing their job - case in point is there any proof that they did not have reasonable cause to stop and indeed detain these guys - no there isnt , but already we have people talking about it being racially motivated and an abuse of rights etc
 
:thumbs::thumbs: Its all assumptions, people read a snippet out The Sun and clearly they know everything that happened on that day. The guys have been released now so clearly the police have nothing on them, but would this thread be continuing if it was reported they were detained still because explosives or something similar had been found in there home, I very much doubt it.

Reminds of a story a few years ago regarding a p****, everyone in his community were outraged when the police took him in for questioning screaming he would never do such things, the nicest bloke you'd ever meet The police didn't know what they were talking about and were just victimising him etc all that tripe. Yet when the guy was convicted for child abuse and having child pornography those same people started to play a different tune claiming they all thought there was something odd about him and not surprised he could be so sick etc, some were shocked but the majority who were complaining about the action from the police were then praising them.

The point is appearances are deceiving even someone within your family could easily be someone very different to who you think they are, and they are in your family how are the police supposed to distinguish!!! If you have opinions then feel free to discuss them but don't spout statements acting like are facts when they can't be backed up with facts, it just ends up making you look silly. :thumbsdown:
 
pitkin2020 said:
The police didn't arrest and hold them because they were using canon's instead of Nikon.
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Now that I could understand! :lol:
 
big soft moose said:
What would prefer a slightly over protective police force, or a blown up nuclear station threatening to melt down and the police saying "well we didnt like to detain them when we had the chance because some people might say we were being racist "
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Because those are clearly the only options.


As a society we evidently deserve neither liberty nor security.
 
Taking photographs of a nuclear installation at any time will result in a talk from the police if caught as most have signs saying no video/picture taking equipment without the consent of the organisation running the facilty. Some students from the university I attended had the memory cards from their cameras taken when taking photos of Heysham.

Its obvious that at a time with such a high risk of terrorism that you should express a certain sensitivity to the activities that you partake it, such as taking photographs of military bases or high risk targets such as nuclear facilities.
 
Hope the bell starts to ring for some people now....

If you are photographing militarily or tactically sensitive sites, you are potentially in a world of hurt.

Don't do it.

Alternatively... If you don't like it, go do in Iran. You will be attached to a mobile crane by a rope attached to your neck and hoisted up and left there until you stop twitching.
 
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String said:
Alternatively... If you don't like it, go do in Iran. You will be attached to a mobile crane by a rope attached to your neck and hoisted up and left there until you stop twitching.
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Twitching? I thought we were talking about sensitive areas. :eek:
 
String said:
Hope the bell starts to ring for some people now....

If you are photographing militarily or tactically sensitive sites, you are potentially in a world of hurt.

Don't do it.

Alternatively... If you don't like it, go do in Iran. You will be attached to a mobile crane by a rope attached to your neck and hoisted up and left there until you stop twitching.
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To be fair it wouldn't stop me if I wanted to photograph a site like that but I wouldn't be crying about it when the police want to investigate me, i'd half expect it and be prepared for it. Most people think though they are special and should be left alone.....if only it was that simple.
 
grum said:
What an incredibly stupid statement.
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It's an incredibly true statement. Pity you don't understand the truth when you see it. Before you ask, in Iraq, a journalist was hung for being too nosey. And the UK could do nothing to help him, Saddam hung him regardless.

And Iran are at least as bloodthirsty as Iraq
 
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String said:
It's an incredibly true statement. Pity you don't understand the truth when you see it. Before you ask, in Iraq, a journalist was hung for being too nosey. And the UK could do nothing to help him, Saddam hung him regardless.
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I'm fully aware of the security/human rights situations in other countries thanks - that doesn't change the fact that saying 'if you don't like it why don't you go to........' is moronic.
 
grum said:
I'm fully aware of the security/human rights situations in other countries thanks - that doesn't change the fact that saying 'if you don't like it why don't you go to........' is moronic.
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Not unlike some of the answers I've seen in here. Should fit right in :)

I take it you are in no way patriotic to the UK. Maybe even a person that thinks Islam should be the chosen religion for us?

You choose to make personal statements about my intelligence, I'll happily reciprocate :)
 
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Sick of getting the petty RTMs from you all telling tale on each other, so closing this now.
 
Im sick of all the bitching, and childish arguments dragging this forum down.
It's asolutely pathetic, and it makes TP look ****.

It stops. Now.

Im not having everyones hard work in building this forum up, become a place where people don't want to visit.
 
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