For those who doubted the success of the iPad

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Yet again you're missing the point Joe. I can never figure out if you have a genuine blind spot or are deliberately being obtuse to wind people up :shrug:
 
aligibbs said:
Think your being a little silly there. When I buy hardware I want to install whatever program I want to help me do the tasks I want to complete. I do have an ipod touch, and its great for listening to music, which is all I do on it. I would like an ipad, but I would want to run firefox/chrome, I would want flash (even if its slow/crashes or whatever Steve Jobs says). I would want to install skype, etc etc. Hence why I don't think its the device for me. Couple of my friends bought them, thought they were amazing for the first 2-4 weeks, now realise they can't do what they want with them and are now disappointed.
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I think what you mean then is that you want a tablet that does all them things, the iPad will not be the device you want. You are asking to buy something that does things it isn't supposed to do by it's design. It's like buying an SD TV and wanting HD on it. You'll need to buy the HD version. With your tablet - you'll need to buy one of the other tablets.

This is my point, iPads aren't supposed to do all of the things you are asking for, thats not their product scope - you don't moan about calculators that don't play music do you?

And as for flash - have adobe even released a mobile touch version of it yet? I heard it was coming soon, is it out yet? Anyone had any use of it?

oh, but skype is on it by the way
 
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joescrivens said:
I think what you mean then is that you want a tablet that does all them things, the iPad will not be the device you want. You are asking to buy something that does things it isn't supposed to do by it's design. It's like buying an SD TV and wanting HD on it. You'll need to buy the HD version. With your tablet - you'll need to buy one of the other tablets.

This is my point, iPads aren't supposed to do all of the things you are asking for, thats not their product scope - you don't moan about calculators that don't play music do you?

And as for flash - have adobe even released a mobile touch version of it yet? I heard it was coming soon, is it out yet? Anyone had any use of it?

oh, but skype is on it by the way
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Adobe have, its on android etc. The competitors have very similar hardware specs, yet do what I want software wise- so I don't think its the same as SD - HD as you compare. Good news about skype :) The "product scope" you mentioned can be changed at any time by apple by removing features/programs- or indeed, by adding them :)

Let's agree to disagree again- long as people understand what they can do
 
Like I said earlier I am getting one. I would VASTLY prefer a version running MacOS so a Modbook would be better for me actually. 500Gb Hard drive, 13" display that would use a Wacom pen, 4Gb Ram, Faster, Wireless and Wired, USB........ Only problem is that it is £1200 rather than £600.....
 
aligibbs said:
Adobe have, its on android etc. The competitors have very similar hardware specs, yet do what I want software wise- so I don't think its the same as SD - HD as you compare. Good news about skype :) The "product scope" you mentioned can be changed at any time by apple by removing features/programs- or indeed, by adding them :)

Let's agree to disagree again- long as people understand what they can do
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just because a product can do something doesn't mean it should though. Adding lots of the functionality you describe results in a OS that needs to be more like a laptop and more complicated to use. There are people (like you) who want this. But products that are the most successful are always aimed at the right people. the iPad is aimed at the people who don't want those things. For the ones that do there will be other tablets from other competitors and they can occupy that space.

What I don't understand is why people slate a product that doesn't do things they wanted it to do when it isn't scoped to do those things in the first place - it's like moaning about an entry level dSLR that doesn't have the features of a pro level one.

Different products for different people.

Soon there will be tablets that have full functionality, but people are still going to buy iPads over them because they want what iPad does and not what the other tablets do. This will also be true the other way around
 
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norvic-boy said:
IMO all apple products are great, before you get down to the spec they look and feel like beautifully crafted bits of kit too. But then you get to the spec and interface and it only gets better!! :D

Just my tupence worth ;)
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'All Apple products are great', really?

While I agree the their products look great, and the interface is very good, when it comes to the spec on the iPad at least, the spec is where it falls down for me.

It is an underpowered and closed system. It may not have been designed to do certain things, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be able to do them. All their design choices were put in to make money. Fair enough, but don't dress it up like your protecting the user from the nasties of using Flash. And why no USB sockets? Again, so as they can charge you for adding that functionality.

There will soon be loads of similar designed products that will off multi tasking, USB connectability, Flash and no doubt other features the iPad lacks, but as with the iPod, in the past at least, the Apple product will continue to sell because of the name and by the uninformed majority seeing it as the best product in the category, or that it is the only product in the category.

If you have one and enjoy it, as with any device that you've bought, I'm pleased for you. :thumbs:
 
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redhed17 said:
'All Apple products are great', really?

While I agree the their products look great, and and the interface is very good, however when it comes to the spec on the iPad at least, the spec is where it falls down for me.

It is an underpowered and closed system. It may not have been designed to do certain things, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be able to do them. All their design choices were put in to make money. Fair enough, but don't dress it up like your protecting the user from the nasties of using Flash. And why no USB sockets? Again, so as they can charge you for adding that functionality.

There will soon be loads of similar designed products that will off multi tasking, USB connectability, Flash and no doubt other features the iPad lacks, but as with the iPod, in the past at least, the Apple product will continue to sell because of the name and by the uninformed majority seeing it as the best product in the category, or that it is the only product in the category.

If you have one and enjoy it, as with any device that you've bought, I'm pleased for you. :thumbs:
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this kind of sour grapes makes me laugh.

When other products appear in the market the iPad will still keep selling - but not because consumers are stupid like you make out. Because the iPad does exactly what they want, they dont want any more, they don't want usb ports etc. They wnt the product that does what they want in the easiest and most simplest way. This will be the iPad.

Example, all I use the iPad for is surfing the net, looking at photos, watching movies and playing educational games for my daughter.

Any tablet that comes out is going to do all of these things and a lot more things. As a result doing these 4 things will become more complicated on those devices - it will take more steps to get them to happen and the experience of doing those four things will most likely be not as smooth. I will still then choose the iPad because it does those 4 things better than the competition.

This would be like me saying once the iPad came out it would ruin the kindle. The iPad is a book reader and a whole lot more. But some people JUST want a book reader and the kindle is better as a book reader than the iPad, therefore those people will still buy kindles.
 
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joescrivens said:
this kind of sour grapes makes me laugh.

When other products appear in the market the iPad will still keep selling - but not because consumers are stupid like you make out. Because the iPad does exactly what they want, they dont want any more, they don't want usb ports etc.
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So they won't sell a single copy of the usb port adapter thingy? I seriously doubt it.
 
Not sour grapes, just what I've seen happen in the past with the iPod when I was working in John Lewis.

Like I said, if the iPad does what you want great, but the USB has got that name for a reason, it was designed to be the connection protocol for transferring data between devices and has been very successful, but Apple leave it off. :shrug:

How do you get your pics onto the iPad btw?
 
redhed17 said:
Not sour grapes, just what I've seen happen in the past with the iPod when I was working in John Lewis.

Like I said, if the iPad does what you want great, but the USB has got that name for a reason, it was designed to be the connection protocol for transferring data between devices and has been very successful, but Apple leave it off. :shrug:

How do you get your pics onto the iPad btw?
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In the box
  • iPad
  • Dock Connector to USB Cable
  • 10W USB Power Adapter
  • Documentation
 
Not something i'm interested in love my iphone but cant see the benefit of an ipad over my netbook.
 
aligibbs said:
So they won't sell a single copy of the usb port adapter thingy? I seriously doubt it.
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of course they will, but it isn't a must have feature for the majority of people, it's a nice to have. I have never had a need for it for example. At one point I was considering the camera connection kit but I realize I probably would never use it.
 
redhed17 said:
Not sour grapes, just what I've seen happen in the past with the iPod when I was working in John Lewis.

Like I said, if the iPad does what you want great, but the USB has got that name for a reason, it was designed to be the connection protocol for transferring data between devices and has been very successful, but Apple leave it off. :shrug:

How do you get your pics onto the iPad btw?
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they leave it off because most people don't have a need for it, they then supply an accessory for those that do. If they included it then they would probably just have absorbed it into the price anyway, so it would be a little more expensive.

How do you get your pics onto the iPad btw?
with the supplied connector cable that plugs into my iMac.
 
I really dont understant why you bother starting these threads Joe. they always end up with an argument with you right at the very center! I wouldnt bother if I were you. The people who are interested in the iPad, and how well/bad its doing will find this out themselves, and the people who dont want to know, wont.
 
I have a meeting with an Apple Business advisor on Friday regarding the new 17" Macbook Pro, an iPad and possibly a mac mini server plus finding out why my iPhone insists on resetting five minutes into every conversation! It will actually be the first time I have a play with the iPad... I need to get some of my images onto it and the Macbook pro. So if I take my current MBP where do the images transfer from? - Do I have to sync from like on the iPhone or what? Also what size screen is the iPad natively so I can make sure the images are perfect for that device?
 
Peter-T said:
I really dont understant why you bother starting these threads Joe. they always end up with an argument with you right at the very center! I wouldnt bother if I were you. The people who are interested in the iPad, and how well/bad its doing will find this out themselves, and the people who dont want to know, wont.
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It's pretty simple really - threads like this are a cheap way of pushing one's opinion on other people. Start 'er up, and before you know it folk are bashing whatever product is the subject of the OP, so the OP then comes and just unleashes their views on the naysayers. Instead of having intelligent discussions, it turns into "Well you don't like Apple so you're narrow minded" and ends up locked. It really is just Apple versus Microsoft/whatever in another guise.
 
Not having a pop or detract from the actual subject originally under discussion, but I will never purchase another Apple product - ever - based on the same issue Darren (Cowaski) is experiencing re the iPhone (3GS/iOS4 upgrade)
rebooting 5 mins into a call - comprehensively documented by users on the Apple Support Forum since June here but so far totally ignored/unacknowledged by Apple.

Extremely frustrating to say the least - and yes I have been to an Apple store to complain (supposedly unaware of the problem...) Not one of Apples finest moments...

John
 
I know a lot of people who bought iPads as soon as they were released. And not one of them knew what they were going to do with it when they got it. It's the original solution looking for a problem. Those same people will upgrade as soon as the next, tiny increment, release comes out ("now with added USB"). It's an overworn trope but Apple are marketing geniuses. They sell devices which are nice to own.
Me, I'm a bit more technical and I'd like a more open platform with Flash support, with a file system and with scripting support. So Android.

I'm not up for a religious war but I don't agree that you can equate speed of sales with how important something is. Siebel was the fastest growing software company in the world at one point: where are they now?

the question I would ask is what revolutionary things are being done by iPad users? Apart from Farmville I mean?
 
canaryherd said:
I know a lot of people who bought iPads as soon as they were released. And not one of them knew what they were going to do with it when they got it. It's the original solution looking for a problem. Those same people will upgrade as soon as the next, tiny increment, release comes out ("now with added USB"). It's an overworn trope but Apple are marketing geniuses. They sell devices which are nice to own.
Me, I'm a bit more technical and I'd like a more open platform with Flash support, with a file system and with scripting support. So Android.

I'm not up for a religious war but I don't agree that you can equate speed of sales with how important something is. Siebel was the fastest growing software company in the world at one point: where are they now?

the question I would ask is what revolutionary things are being done by iPad users? Apart from Farmville I mean?
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http://theoatmeal.com/comics/apple

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canaryherd said:
Those same people will upgrade as soon as the next, tiny increment, release comes out ("now with added USB"). It's an overworn trope but Apple are marketing geniuses.
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AS I went for my iPhone I heard a bunch of people paying up to £400 to get out of their current contract to get the iphone 4 from the 3GS......

Definitely marketing geniuses to rape people of their money with adding technology into products that they already have.

They will bring out a product and have all the upgrades ready for the next x amount of years planned out.
 
Peter-T said:
I really dont understant why you bother starting these threads Joe. they always end up with an argument with you right at the very center! I wouldnt bother if I were you. The people who are interested in the iPad, and how well/bad its doing will find this out themselves, and the people who dont want to know, wont.
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Stick him on ignore - it's makes the thread much shorter and much more agreeable
 
So the iPad. We've got them at work, we've written apps for them to integrate into our product and I think they are beautiful, tactile pieces of kit.

Perfect for displaying photo's/portfolios, a very good screen for reading, playing videos etc. Excellant for surfing the net, and reading emails with the instant on ability rather than waiting 30 secs for the laptop to startup. Several magazines are now producing ipad versions, one of mine is half the price of a paper version and I could carry several copies around with me.

BUT - it's too much money for a limited device.

I'd quite like one, but I know as soon as I got one I'd be telling myself I wasted a lot of cash for something a laptop could do better. I can't quite put my finger on it, but there's a lack of connectivity (or the hateful itunes to use) and the ability of a laptop to edit/process my photo's plus the additional storage means I'd go for the laptop every time.
 
Robbo said:
PERFECTLY SAID!!!!
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You could say exactly the same of the way everyone harks after the latest camera gear on here.

It's really funny - people seem to get upset with Apple because they are better at marketing than other companies. They also generally make really good devices which are a pleasure to use.

What the PC evangelists seem to fail to realise is that it's not just about a specs/price calculation - it's about the overall user experience.

There is far more baseless Mac hating and whinging on here than there is Mac fanboism. Oh well. :shrug:
 
I think it's a great device, but certainly has shortcomings, but there's no real rival at the moment, hopefully that will change over the next few months.

It's also overpriced, in my view, but that won't stop me dropping very obvious hints to the wife, in the run up to Christmas :lol:
 
grum said:
You could say exactly the same of the way everyone harks after the latest camera gear on here.

It's really funny - people seem to get upset with Apple because they are better at marketing than other companies. They also generally make really good devices which are a pleasure to use.

What the PC evangelists seem to fail to realise is that it's not just about a specs/price calculation - it's about the overall user experience.

There is far more baseless Mac hating and whinging on here than there is Mac fanboism. Oh well. :shrug:
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I have the iPhone and love it BUT

Over priced

Over priced tariff as its a highly sought after phone so they know they can

updates like MMS copy and paste which get people super excited because it can now do something every other £20 phone can do.

3mp camera...wow, at the time they have 8mp in phone.

Lol, they miss out things that nearly all over phone have, JUST to get their customers buzzing when they finally get it....like its never been had before.

Dont get my wrong I love my iPhone, But bloody hell put everything in it and go way beyond any other phone on the market.
 
canaryherd said:
I know a lot of people who bought iPads as soon as they were released. And not one of them knew what they were going to do with it when they got it. It's the original solution looking for a problem. Those same people will upgrade as soon as the next, tiny increment, release comes out ("now with added USB"). It's an overworn trope but Apple are marketing geniuses. They sell devices which are nice to own.
Me, I'm a bit more technical and I'd like a more open platform with Flash support, with a file system and with scripting support. So Android.

I'm not up for a religious war but I don't agree that you can equate speed of sales with how important something is. Siebel was the fastest growing software company in the world at one point: where are they now?

the question I would ask is what revolutionary things are being done by iPad users? Apart from Farmville I mean?
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I agree you can't peg up speed of sales with how important a device is, I've never said you could. This was more for all those people 6 months ago who said the iPad wouldn't sell many to eat some humble pie.

As for revolutionary things, I'm sure there are some. I don't do anything revolutionary on it. But I have a device thats great for looking at photos, sfuring the web with my finger and watching movies with. As well as something rugged that my 14 month daughter can trow around and stand on and play some games whilst she learns what colours are.
 
Robbo said:
I have the iPhone and love it BUT

Over priced

Over priced tariff as its a highly sought after phone so they know they can

updates like MMS copy and paste which get people super excited because it can now do something every other £20 phone can do.

3mp camera...wow, at the time they have 8mp in phone.

Lol, they miss out things that nearly all over phone have, JUST to get their customers buzzing when they finally get it....like its never been had before.

Dont get my wrong I love my iPhone, But bloody hell put everything in it and go way beyond any other phone on the market.
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Funnily enough I don't have an iphone - because as you say it's too expensive. I can appreciate that in many ways it's a superb device though - I have an ipod touch which is similar (free with my iMac :) ) and the interface, screen etc are just fantastic imo.
 
Byker28i said:
BUT - it's too much money for a limited device.
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I won't disagree with that. But this is what happens with 1st gen products in a space that doesn't exist yet. This is not uncommon at all - look how much mircosoft surface sells for - yet it barely does anything. In a few years you'll see a huge price drop due to the availability of other products in the same niche.
 
joescrivens said:
you of all people as a dSLR owner should know that pixel number isn't important in a camera anymore surely?
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yes I know.

But marketing, the general people dont know, I would say 99% of people who dont knoww photography still think bigger pixels better picture.

i get it all the time....'Wow what MP is that camera!'

So when the phone users compare oh its a 3mp, but wow the sony ericcson is a 8mp etc. for e.g.
 
joescrivens said:
interesting, you avoid them because they reject an app that allows illegal file sharing?

so you are pro illegal file sharing then?
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Intresting atempt at trolling Joe - I think you're bright enough to know that ;)
 
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