Firefighter Strike

barratt1988 said:
Haha brill using history to discuss current events... to be honest I cant be bothered with this anymore as you are clearly blind. Thinking this country has any back bone left.

Maybe your correct but your speaking invasions which destroyed the country... hmm just as the foreigners are doing now. If your going to use history then realise that the knock on was after the event. And I do.t care if your black white of yellow but if you sponge off the state and choose to playthe system rather than get a job I wont accept you as an equal in this country. Thay isnt racism its the ethics and morals I live my life by
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Yup, I use history to evaluate compempoary events. Both Sun Tzu and Von Clausewitz were slightly keen on this approach.

Btw, if all of these invasions were so catastrophic and destroyed the country.....

Who actually are 'The English'?
 
barratt1988 said:
Haha sorry I didnt see you give any evidence? Didnt realise you where blind and needed numbers and figures as you dont leave your house...
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Here's some evidence for you...


The Office of National Statistics breakdown of the 2011 Census by ethnic groupings:

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The link is to the DM, but exactly the same chart is available on the ONS website - just not quite so colourful & cheeery! :)
 
Meanwhile, back on topic......


The following was posted on Facebook this morning by a Firefighter. It basically says what a few of us have mentioned so far, but I think that it's been put quite eloquently:

So a strike date is set, and tomorrow the smear campaign and hatred towards us will start...

but I'm going to put it out there straight, my personal view of why I am striking..... it's not about money, if I wanted to be rich I would not of become a Fire Fighter, I love my job...it's what I've always wanted to do...I don't ever want to stop doing it, but one day my body will start to fail under the extreme stresses the job puts it through, I stay as fit as I can to allow me to do my job but you know what....we cannot stop our bodies ageing....

and after years of blood, sweat, tears, loyalty, unquestionable dedication emotional scarring from seeing some truly horrible heart wrenching scenes, the day I'm unable to "as 55year old +" wear a BA set in hundreds of degrees of fire to rescue somebody or run up a ladder and pull someone out of a building I will be SACKED....

because I'm unable to carry out my job..

I will not be able to draw my pension, which I contribute double that of which the average person does into theirs, because the government say it's my fault that my body can no longer do it.

The fire brigade used to put you into office jobs if you could not fulfil your operational roll....well now they can't because it's all privatised, so it's easier for them to throw me on the scrap heap, I don't do my job for THEM....I do it for YOU!

I love "saving people" being part of a team that will be your life line during the worst possible moment of your life...but sometimes that leaves me haunted by the ones we could not save, I don't complain, I don't speak of it...I put on a brave face and pretend it doesn't affect me..but it does.
As of tonight the government and media will make myself and my colleagues across the country out to be vile, greedy, selfish monsters.....all because we don't want to be thrown on the rubbish tip and prevented access to our pensions, all because our old bodies are broken.

I can't tell you how heart breaking it is to see your fire service being shredded apart, all so a bunch of backhanding, barefaced, lying politicians can profit from its privatisation.

It's a sad day people, but please don't believe all the lies that you read in the papers or hear on the TV!
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Thanks for bringing this back on topic in such an eloquent way, DemiLion.
 
big soft moose said:
again this shows a misunderstanding of what the job involves - you can't have a position where some of the crew are only capable of light duties, what are they supposed to do if they encounter an injured person in a burning building "oh sorry mate, i can't lift you its my back you know, we'll just wait til the younger guys get here shall we"
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Again I'm willing to bet that light duty roles already exist. When a crew turns up to a fire, the whole crew doesn't enter the building, some remain outside performing other functions, that could just as easily be the older ones or those carrying a mild injury. As the younger ones get older then they can replace those who retire.
Why does Ruffy keep harping on about working to 65 when the age is 60?
Reading through the governments proposed changes they will make a payment at any age if a firefighter is unable to perform his usual duties it will be a lower payment if he is able to do other work out side of the fire service and a larger payment if unable to work again. Pretty much bringing it in line with, or still better than a lot of private sector jobs. Some private sector jobs get no such benefits.
Basically they have got to work 5 more years and contribute a bit more to their pension.
I can't help but think there is a lot of the usual union propaganda being used to stir things up with a lot of supposition.
 
DemiLion said:
I take it that you consider yourself English then?

I've got news for you. The population of this county has been subject to the influx of other 'races' since time immemorial.
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Our problems started when we let those Saxons in!

barratt1988 said:
Maybe your correct but your speaking invasions which destroyed the country... hmm just as the foreigners are doing now.
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About sixty years ago, a horrible lttle man with a Charlie Chaplin moustache wanted to rid his country of foreigners. Luckily, our grandparents fought a war against intolerance and put a stop to him.


Steve.
 
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Hadrians wall wasn't very effective neither.
 
nilagin said:
Again I'm willing to bet that light duty roles already exist. When a crew turns up to a fire, the whole crew doesn't enter the building, some remain outside performing other functions, that could just as easily be the older ones or those carrying a mild injury. As the younger ones get older then they can replace those who retire.
Why does Ruffy keep harping on about working to 65 when the age is 60?
Reading through the governments proposed changes they will make a payment at any age if a firefighter is unable to perform his usual duties it will be a lower payment if he is able to do other work out side of the fire service and a larger payment if unable to work again. Pretty much bringing it in line with, or still better than a lot of private sector jobs. Some private sector jobs get no such benefits.
Basically they have got to work 5 more years and contribute a bit more to their pension.
I can't help but think there is a lot of the usual union propaganda being used to stir things up with a lot of supposition.
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I'm sorry to be rude - but you really don't have a clue. Do you?

Let me give you an analogy...

Do Football Mangers keep injured or past over players on their active bench? Erm, that would be a 'No' then.
 
DemiLion said:
Oh, and taking the Normans with you would be really great as well!
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PMSL - Demilion nice response - and great posts - love it. Would love somdone to describe what being English is? So my bit to support Demilion's take!

I personally will be off to the land of my fathers soon

Not sure where though - over the centuries we hail from Spain Scotland Ireland Germany Gaul Persia and I am led to believe Wales (where half still reside). Amongst our group we own our own homes and businesses. We employ indiginous people and contribute vey positively to our 900 year home..... are we to sod off as implied by a previous contributor?

At last count we have 6 firefighters a couple of surgeons and nurses, police officrrs and numerous civil servants along with a QC. One died in Iraq fighting for his country. None, to my knoeledge, are on "Benefits".

Well that is apart from me. Ashamed I am a sponger, it happened in February 1986. Got sacked from a well known merchant bank for refusing to break the law. So signed on at the employment office.

Got a job the following day so was signed off. Got a cheque for £5.35 the next week. I still have it. It is framed on the wall of my office. It serves as a reminder of what the country OF MY BIRTH, thought I was worth. So when other spout off about immigrant spongers or immigrants taking "our jobs" remember you will be denigrating the now English who are Britidh and formed what is a fanfastic country and has been tolerant and a safe haven for centuries. To the bigots and racists - the white peoples in this country are and remain the MAJORITY. So think on when wuoting stats.

Back o. stream - we are all luckh and priviliged to ljve in this country. Letting thosd with racist agendas who are blamemongers that you let infect your minds - shame on you. This United Kingdom is strong and special because we are made up of so many streams skills and heritage. At the same gime hou have the right to br English or Scot, Welsh and even a Yorkshireman. Its not a genetic thing.

And yes even immigrants can be firemen.

Demilion what are we going to do with these damn Normans? So wicked to the poor Saxons (hang on Saxons..... weren't they from Germany???)

BRASH - keep a space for me up there..... If the nutters take over I am moving North. My missus is part Scot......

Steve
 
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DemiLion said:
I'm sorry to be rude - but you really don't have a clue. Do you?

Let me give you an analogy...

Do Football Mangers keep injured or past over players on their active bench? Erm, that would be a 'No' then.
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That analogy is just as poor as one posted yesterday.
Such footballers would be able to serve a further purpose. Older or less able bodied firefighters would still be able to serve a purpose. What is the point in having able bodied firemen doing tasks that an older or less able bodied firefighter could carry out.:cuckoo:
 
barratt1988 said:
If you believe the crap you just wrote then your an idiot. How is people sponging off the state not an issue? Its not what I read its what I see. Do you live in a little village away from the world? Jesus open your eyes! Parts of the country are now down to 17% white british thats a fact and if you think everyone there is workin then your dreaming.

... or am I a racist for thinkin this and being correct
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You come across a Daily Wail muppet who has no idea other than what he's being fed.

Some facts about peoples' misconceptions:
  • Black and Asian people are thought to make up 30 per cent of the population, when the figure is closer to 11 per cent
  • the public think that £24 of every £100 of benefits is fraudulently claimed. Official estimates are that just 70 pence in every £100 is fraudulent - so the public conception is out by a factor of 34
    Source: clicky

Even health tourism is blamed for the problems of the NHS. But the truth is that health tourisms costs the NHS around £7-12m (depending on source). Even £12m makes up only 0.01% of the NHS budget. It would cost more to enforce it than to allow it (think DVLA and how long it takes to get or renew your license). source

Remember, the typical person on benefits is a white UK citizen aged 45-60.
 
nilagin said:
That analogy is just as poor as one posted yesterday. Such footballers would be able to serve a further purpose. Older or less able bodied firefighters would still be able to serve a purpose. What is the point in having able bodied firemen doing tasks that an older or less able bodied firefighter could carry out.:cuckoo:
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You answered your own question. In the same way as footballers, they could serve a purpose, but they don't, instead they are sacked due to cost cutting. The analogy stands up well to me.
 
nilagin said:
That analogy is just as poor as one posted yesterday.
Such footballers would be able to serve a further purpose. Older or less able bodied firefighters would still be able to serve a purpose. What is the point in having able bodied firemen doing tasks that an older or less able bodied firefighter could carry out.:cuckoo:
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BECAUSE WHEN IT ALL GOES TO RAT***** THEY NEED TO JUMP IN AND HELP THEIR OPPOS. you twit!

As I said - you don't have a scoobie! Sorry and all that, but you really don't.
 
barratt1988 said:
Nope your wrong on many points . I live in an average size town. So am racist for not wanting an invasion of people sponging? Call me what you like. I wouldnt mind but the facts are there arent enough jobs, they come over here and either take the jobs (though thats very rare) or sponge off the state. How is that not an issue?

Open you eyes and look around at the population once in a while. And before its stated again I dont read the papers I see with my own 2 eyes
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Personal insults are NOT acceptable, as you well know!
 
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If you say so mate :) I just see the world for what it is. I dont care what race you are. If you dont live your life by the values I do then I wont see you as equal. Simple. You all have your views and base them on what you see.
 
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barratt1988 said:
If you say so mate :) I just see the world for what it is. I dont care what race you are. If you dont live your life by the values I do then I wont see you as equal. Simple. You all have your views and base them on what you see.
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You have a basic misunderstanding of perception and the way the mind works. You do not see the world as it is, you see a projection of your own small minded belief system.
 
They say charity starts at home? So is it not right to look after your own country men prior to allowing everyone in to benefit from what we have worked to achieve?

Is this was the case then the firemen would be looked after better? Respected more for what they do and have to put up with
 
You guys are not going to agree, so why not accept that and move on.
 
ding76uk said:
You answered your own question. In the same way as footballers, they could serve a purpose, but they don't, instead they are sacked due to cost cutting. The analogy stands up well to me.
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Typo, that was supposed to read footballers wouldn't serve any further purpose.
 
fracster said:
You guys are not going to agree, so why not accept that and move on.
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You know, there was a time, on this forum, in the dim and distant past, when the mere idea of saying what I am about to say would have had me certified in more ways than my user title ever dreamt possible. :| However...


All of you, do exactly as Frac suggests, stop throwing the personal insults around and move on as this thread is getting dangerously close to wearing a padlock.
 
DemiLion said:
BECAUSE WHEN IT ALL GOES TO RAT***** THEY NEED TO JUMP IN AND HELP THEIR OPPOS. you twit!

As I said - you don't have a scoobie! Sorry and all that, but you really don't.
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And what makes you so sure you do have a clue? I've seen no evidence thus far.
There is still stuff that has to be manned outside, regardless of what is going on inside.
 
nilagin said:
And what makes you so sure you do have a clue? I've seen no evidence thus far.
There is still stuff that has to be manned outside, regardless of what is going on inside.
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Staying within Yv's comment above:

Because I have worked alongside them, I have a few good mates who are firefighters and I've spent time on active firegrounds and incident sites.

Good enough?
 
I don't think the fire brigade should be allowed to strike and put people at risk over the sake of money. Their last strike was a bit of a PR disaster as well.
 
DemiLion said:
Staying within Yv's comment above:

Because I have worked alongside them, I have a few good mates who are firefighters and I've spent time on active firegrounds and incident sites.

Good enough?
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And I stand by the second half of my comment.
Good enough?
 
Laudrup said:
I don't think the fire brigade should be allowed to strike and put people at risk over the sake of money. Their last strike was a bit of a PR disaster as well.
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Have you not read any of this Thread? The strike is not about money.
 
Yeh, so it is!!
 
BRASH said:
You Social Worker you:D:D
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Yeah, i`m mellowing.

Anyway, my uptide rod turned up, so that fishing trip in Stonehaven needs sorting, there`s a good fellow.
 
nilagin said:
And I stand by the second half of my comment.
Good enough?
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Not really. Every crew member needs to be up-to-speed when they deploy. It's no use having a partially fit bloke on a fireground if things go pear shaped and everyone is needed to jump in and get the team out of the poo.

As for firefighters filling non active roles- that's exactly what used to happen. Right up until those roles started to be outsourced for cost cutting reasons.
 
fracster said:
Yeah, i`m mellowing.

Anyway, my uptide rod turned up, so that fishing trip in Stonehaven needs sorting, there`s a good fellow.
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It's a beachcaster you'll need. I have plenty gear to loan yeh. When you coming up like??
 
DemiLion said:
Not really. Every crew member needs to be up-to-speed when they deploy. It's no use having a partially fit bloke on a fireground if things go pear shaped and everyone is needed to jump in and get the team out of the poo.
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And I still maintain, not everyone (able bodied or not) will be allowed to jump in should the team get in the poo. Some are required on the outside to handle equally important tasks.
 
The difference is that I've seen crews working, whereas you.....not so much! :)
 
Seeing isn't necessarily proof of understanding.:thumbs:
 
nilagin said:
Seeing isn't necessarily proof of understanding.:thumbs:
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Making stuff up in your head isn't proof of understanding either. :)
 
nilagin said:
Typo, that was supposed to read footballers wouldn't serve any further purpose.
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indeed - neither would injured/old firefighters who were unfit for active service - no one in their right mind is going to send a crew out unless everyone on it is capable of any function they might be required to fulfil
 
BRASH said:
It's a beachcaster you'll need. I have plenty gear to loan yeh. When you coming up like??
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I have an old beachcaster, try for springtime?

Can I park my motorhome outside your cave?
 
fracster said:
I have an old beachcaster, try for springtime?

Can I park my motorhome outside your cave?
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Yes on both counts. Tho winter is best for Cod off the cliffs.
 
I`ll be in touch dude.
 
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