Finally they admit it Speed camera's = cash cow

daugirdas said:
Is there any very reflective spray when lit by a flash? This would be a great business idea
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There used to be a reflective spray that prevented speed cameras capturing your number plate in SA. Illegal, but the directions on the can included a warning not to use it for this purpose. It might still be available but I haven't seen it for years, and most people have just gone back to giving the cop a tip to go away...;)
 
I don't know any police officers who think that cameras work or are in any way a good idea. We get caught too you know : /
 
big soft moose said:
speedos nearly all read down - so if it says 80mph indicated its more like 75 actual , so its unlikely that my speedo was incorrect will cut much ice as an excuse
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Mine is bang on according to those roadside speed checker things - well at 30mph 40mph and 60mph as far as I can see its about 1mph difference to the satnav on a clear day..lol
 
According to Wiki...


"European Union member states must also grant type approval to vehicles meeting similar EU standards. The ones covering speedometers[7][8][9] are similar to the UNECE regulation in that they specify that:

  • The indicated speed must never be less than the actual speed, i.e. it should not be possible to inadvertently speed because of an incorrect speedometer reading.
  • The indicated speed must not be more than 110 percent of the true speed plus 4 km/h at specified test speeds. For example, at 80 km/h, the indicated speed must be no more than 92 km/h."

My GPS (built in) doesn't have a speedometer in it and we don't have a proper stand-alone unit so can't check the cars, although a phone app suggests about a 5% discrepancy on the legal side in mine.
 
daugirdas said:
Is there any very reflective spray when lit by a flash? This would be a great business idea
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There was a guy a few years ago know, that parked outside his house, when the number plates were caught in the headlights of a passing car, they were totally unreadable,
But I have a feeling that was "coating" was banned for some obscure reason :D

Whippet said:
We get caught too you know : /
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"You" should know better and be setting a good example :p
 
I'm struggling to get my head round one Government department telling you that you don't have to know exactly what speed you are doing but another department prosecuting you because you don't.
 
Well, the one that says you don't need to know exactly also says that the thing that tells you isn't allowed to tell you you're going slower than it's saying you're going, so as long as you don't go faster than it says you're going, the other one doesn't care...

Speed camera's aren't cash cows, it's the people who ignore the limits who pay the price.
 
PaulButler said:
Then they would lose on appeal, construction and use act (1986 plus various amendments) refers :)
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You assume 1mph over on the car speedo not the police calibrated equipment, although yes I agree it would prob get thrown out by any sensible magistrate it would not be due to an exact legislation as such imho.
 
Nod said:
Speed camera's aren't cash cows, it's the people who ignore the limits who pay the price.
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The official line is speed camera's are in fact safety camera's and designed to make people slow down,
the "obvious" ones do just that, the mobile ones are hidden and placed where they expect people to go faster than the limit, usually on a long straight, with a slow bend to the left,
and the talivan is up on a bank, hidden from view, so they hit you just as you go around said slow bend.

That's not there to make people slow down that's to add to the policemen's Christmas fund.
 
neil_g said:
they're only cash cows due to people stupidity in breaking the speed limit.

(and yes I do break the prescribed limit occasionally)
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Anyone that say's they haven't committed and illegal act / broken a law one way or another is a fibber,
be that making a phone call in works time using the firms internet for browsing, in works time,
staying over the prescribed time in a parking zone taking paper / pens home from work ... there are 1000's.

Because the police how now spun speeding as much if not more "anit-social" as drink driving people always leap to their defence on this issue.
(not having a go at you by the way, just stating my opinion).

The funny thing is, I really do hope that people take the hint and don't speed along the M1 J12 - J9
I wonder where the million quid will come from then?

BUT also this million quid will save just 25 police officers jobs.
I know roughly what your average bobby earns ( I have a mate.. )

That is a hell of a lot of support costs!
Maybe they should look at that end of the proceedings rather than the "lower" rank and file ;)
 
like i say, im not claiming to be perfect.

but dont like it then dont speed and dont give them any money in fines.

but i do sympathise with police forces trying to get a bit of extra cash, they're getting stretched thinner and thinner by cuts by the gov.
 
The next thing will be the Powers That Be deciding that cameras work far harder and cheaper than Bobbies on the beat (or in jam sarnies) so investing in one trick ponies (OK, some cameras also do red light duties but not many) rather than proppa coppers. Not sure about elsewhere in the country but down here, they publicise where the vans are likely to be active (at the moment...) and in the main, they are at blackspots. The odd thing is that people are still slamming on the anchors as they reach the site of one that hasn't been there for about a year.

Touch wood, I've managed to avoid speeding tickets for about 20 years - I'm not a saint by any means but I'm a hell of a lot slower than I was in my 20s and 30s! Mind you, back then there weren't any cameras - just more traffic cars and depending on one's attitude to the copper, you could easily end up with a "5 day wonder"/"producer" rather than a ticket. I even got away with a few words a couple of times. A camera is judge and jury, luckily not executioner as well!
 
Nod said:
I'm not a saint by any means but I'm a hell of a lot slower than I was in my 20s and 30s! Mind you, back then there weren't any cameras
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Yep same here :thumbs:

Nod said:
luckily not executioner as well!
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If you do it 4 times it is :D
 
But when YOU were in your 20s, there were no speed limits on motorways... :P
 
Nod said:
But when YOU were in your 20s, there were no speed limits on motorways... :p
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I know, and sorry about driving my name sake too damned fast :(
 
Cobra said:
"You" should know better and be setting a good example :p
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Yup and yup... we are human... 33mph caught by a van whilst off duty.... And the van was there because of a double and a single fatality in the space of 6 months. The accidents happened at 22:00 (boy racers which we were blighted with) and 00:30 (drunk disq driver) which are not the operating times of the van... but hey only myself to blame.
 
Whippet said:
The accidents happened at 22:00 (boy racers which we were blighted with) and 00:30 (drunk disq driver) which are not the operating times of the van
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Do they not operate outside "normal hours" ?
I would have thought that there would be a good case for it TBH ( as you cite above)
 
I've never been involved in that side, to be fair it's quite far removed from the real police world so I'm no expert but the last time I checked it was done on purely geospatial terms in regards to KSI RTCs (killed / serious injury). I think practices vary from force to force but certainly the force I work on and the force I live on don't operate vans outside of 0700 x 1900.
 
Whippet said:
to be fair it's quite far removed from the real police world
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I'm sure it is, ;)
I was just curious TBH :thumbs:

Whippet said:
last time I checked it was done on purely geospatial terms in regards to KSI RTCs (killed / serious injury).
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Not having a dig, but we get a lot around here from time to time, (I've lived here a lot of years) and I've never known remotely serious accidents to have occurred, in the places the the mobile ones
hide, I mean operate ;)
 
Cobra said:
Not having a dig, but we get a lot around here from time to time, (I've lived here a lot of years) and I've never known remotely serious accidents to have occurred, in the places the the mobile ones
hide, I mean operate ;)
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Most 'safety' partnerships have searchable maps that show collisions and hence where they plot the cameras eg:

http://roadsafety-gloucestershire.org.uk/data/incident-map/

It might be that other authorities apart from the ones I am familiar with use different rules for placing their cameras but I'm pretty sure that KSIs are used nationwide.

Again, I hate them. I think they do irreparable damage to the relationship between the police and folk who would otherwise support us. There's no on the road education / advice, no discretion, and criminal road users who don't register cars are immune to them. Sadly with the cuts more and more policing will be done from a distance and traffic police are a 'luxury' that have had more than their fair share of reductions.
 
Whippet said:
Yup and yup... we are human... 33mph caught by a van whilst off duty.... And the van was there because of a double and a single fatality in the space of 6 months. The accidents happened at 22:00 (boy racers which we were blighted with) and 00:30 (drunk disq driver) which are not the operating times of the van... but hey only myself to blame.
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Assuming that was a 30 limit rather than a 20, you were extremely unlucky - 33 would be within the oft quoted ACPO guidelines of 10% + ? of the limit.

I know Avon and Somerset were notorious for being extra strict - didn't realise that Gloucs. were as well.
 
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