F1 season 2015

Maldanardo says p1 crash wasnt his fault the mechanics were getting bored so he gave them something to do this afternoon
 
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Spa gets weirder Maclaran handed 55 grid place drop for changing both cars engines
Luckily the rules have changed so it will only apply to this race but if ive read it correct as they are at the back of the field they can keep doing this once these engines have a few miles on there backs so its in season testing from now on for Maclaren as they aint coming anywhere in the championship
http://www.pitpass.com/54469/McLaren-duo-handed-55-place-grid-penalties
 
fuzzyedges said:
Spa gets weirder Maclaran handed 55 grid place drop for changing both cars engines
Luckily the rules have changed so it will only apply to this race but if ive read it correct as they are at the back of the field they can keep doing this once these engines have a few miles on there backs so its in season testing from now on for Maclaren as they aint coming anywhere in the championship
http://www.pitpass.com/54469/McLaren-duo-handed-55-place-grid-penalties
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Good job the rules did change because the grid drop is up to 105 places now. After all the tinkering and penalty taking they still didn't get past first quali.
 
Barso said:
Good job the rules did change because the grid drop is up to 105 places now. After all the tinkering and penalty taking they still didn't get past first quali.
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Makes you appreciate Mercedes when the mighty honda and Renault cant get there engines near them
A few interchanges in tech staff should sort out the mysteries of the merc engine, hopefully by next year, unless they tinker with the rules to such an extent another team becomes dominant but that might be Ferrari so it will be okay then wont it
 
Getting ready for today's race. Providing the Mercs behave themselves, unlike last year, I'd expect them to pull away from the rest early on. If they fight each other it could be more interesting :-)

Looks like sector 2 is where Lewis could pull a bit of a gap, especially if he can get there in the lead......
 
I normally enjoy Spa but the Merc domination turned this into another one not to remember. Were Ferrari right to try and do one stop ? Surely if there was any doubt in tyre failure Pirelli would have been running around the garage making then do a change but I didn't see anything.
Roll on Monza.
 
Not Pirelli's job to make a team's decisions for them. Offer advice before the race, yes but after that, it's up to the pit wall jockeys and the drivers.
 
Seb's tendency to run over kerbs and into bits of gravel probably didn't help matters.

Ok, the mercs made it look a bit easy but I thought there were some interesting battles behind them. Once again the youngsters showed no fear, round the outside at 190 plus :-o
 
I feel that Ferrari and Seb pushed the tyres to the limit and result was as expected. The slow motion shots of the cars coming up over Raidillon showed very few staying on the track, most were going over the kerbs.
 
Rosberg and Grosjean seemed to think it was unacceptable for a tyre to go like that even though Ferrari were pushing it for the one stop, 124 miles on a set of tyres would seem possible, but then again this is F1.
 
The question is surely once a tyre reaches its degregation limit that has been designed into the tyre it should slide and not have any grip rather than blowing up
What has happened to the term "going over the cliff " Remember cars going backwards in lap times two seasons ago when there tyres "went off"
Seb was holding Grojean, who was on better by far tires, he should have been sliding all over the corners but he wasnt
It is hard to accept that a tyre will explode if pushed, loose grip yes but explode never

Politics will come into this now Seb has opened the box, especially as mitchilin are wanting to enter F1 watch the ranks close
 
The tyres of a few years ago have gone. They changed the materials after the exploding at Silverstone etc.
Under normal circumstances I would also expect the tyre to lose grip as the first sign of trouble, but, if you are expecting to do a very long stint to make a one stop work then I would expect the pace to be a little slower throughout the stint and for the driver to avoid putting extra stress through the tyre if not completely necessary. Seb was hitting the kerbs hard (he even collected the gravel on the way to the grid) and his pace was certainly not 'steady', compared to Kimi.
I would suspect that the blow out will be found to be caused by a bit of damage to the tyre coupled with pushing it too long, wonder what the data from Ferrari would show with regard to temp/pressure etc.
 
PaulF said:
The tyres of a few years ago have gone. They changed the materials after the exploding at Silverstone etc.
Under normal circumstances I would also expect the tyre to lose grip as the first sign of trouble, but, if you are expecting to do a very long stint to make a one stop work then I would expect the pace to be a little slower throughout the stint and for the driver to avoid putting extra stress through the tyre if not completely necessary. Seb was hitting the kerbs hard (he even collected the gravel on the way to the grid) and his pace was certainly not 'steady', compared to Kimi.
I would suspect that the blow out will be found to be caused by a bit of damage to the tyre coupled with pushing it too long, wonder what the data from Ferrari would show with regard to temp/pressure etc.
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Exactly Seb was not going steady, his tyres should have prevented him from doing that before the rear blew, he should have been sliding all over the place and he wasnt
The reference to "The tyres of a few years ago have gone. They changed the materials after the exploding at Silverstone etc." was not about blow outs but the fact that once the tyre had reached a certain degregation it was loosing that much lap time it was stupid to continue
Although after much criticism Pirelli have made a more conservative tyre but if its drivable up untill a blow out when its worn out and open to damage then its a very dangerous tyre
How do Pirelli state how long a tyre will last ? each car is set up different some look after there tyres some are aggresive each track during race week alters
If degradeable tyres are to be used then they must be undrivable before being unsafe
 
Isn't undriveable the same as unsafe? Blowouts happen, maybe he was just unlucky after pushing it a couple of laps too far?
 
Just watched Ted's notebook where he mentioned that Pirelli had issued a directive that the tyre should last 40 laps, I agree with the comments stating that if the tyre had lost all of it's grip and useable surface area that the car should have been sliding off at the slightest turn of the wheel not letting go in the fashion that it did. No doubt Ferrari will have to take the blame for going along with the directive that was issued.
 
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Isn't undriveable the same as unsafe? Blowouts happen, maybe he was just unlucky after pushing it a couple of laps too far?
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Again he should not be able to push it if the cause is "worn out "
By undrivable in the racing contex I meant it wont grip in corners after it has degraded and you would loose traction but it would be controllable at a greatly reduced pace
maybe a better word would be unraceable, if thats a word

Nico has doubts about his blow out as well
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/34030023

So thats two blow outs in the same race not going to be attributed to Pirelli then
That leaves the teams involved doing something outside pirelli instructions
Or the drivers doing something on track that the tyres dont like
Or the track its self damaging the same side rear on two cars

I bet its just a coincidence with no one to blame no action to be taken
and pirelli will use the newer construction that they were going to introduce at Singapore earlier at monza (thats my guess as I dont have a clue what Pirelli will do)
 
So the tyre saga rolls on
Mercedes are reported to have said they have ruled out bodywork / debri was the cause of Nicos blow out
Pirelli have said the tyre was good for 40 laps and it blew at 28 (although they are now saying if there recommendations had been accepted in 2013 it would have been changed at 22 )
They are also maintaining debri in Nicos case and worn out in Seb's
Both seb and Nico are saying they never left the track to collect debri

So what is the truth?
Firstly both Nico and Seb left the track limits, video proof
Majority of the teams had cuts in there tyres with the exception of Sauber that dosnt work well riding kerbs so they avoid them
Worn out seems to have bit the dust with most people in the know maintaining the car would be undrivable (unraceable) on worn out tyres

Mitchilin are in the wings promising durable tyres (but that depends on Bernie as to which is the most profitable )


It is shaping up to the 2013 debacle
Bernie has met Pirelli chairman already over it Ferrari are meeting Hembry as there data is at odds with Pirelli instructions
Mercedes are on Pirelli's side obviously as they dont want a different tyre and have 2103 repeat itself when Red bull gained an advantage, in this case it could be Ferrari

its wonderful to see Seb, unlike a lot, speaking his mind rather than company speak I wish more would

Monza is faster so watch out for the sneaky tyre construction change

Remember who is behind the plastic tyres in the first place. Designed to spice up the "show"
Lets hope no one loses a life over a blow out from a questionable tyre for a bit of excitement
http://www.foxsports.com.au/motor-s...lures-in-belgium/story-e6frf3zl-1227497699617
 
Pirelli still investigating tyre blow outs report expected towards the end of the week
Looks like there initial excuse wasnt good enough
 
Pirelli have eventually woke up to the outburst that tyres that wear down blow up before being unraceable
Its now down to debris
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns31753.html

Mitchelin get ready you could be on next
 
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2015 FORMULA 1 GRAN PREMIO D'ITALIA


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Monza
Lap length 5.793km (3.6 miles)
Race laps 53
Race distance 306.72km (190.587 miles)
Pole position Left-hand side of the track
Lap record* 1’21.046 (257.321 kph) by Rubens Barrichello, 2004
Fastest lap 1’19.525 (262.242 kph) by Juan Pablo Montoya, 2004
Maximum speed 337kph (209.402 mph)
DRS zone/s (race) Start/finish straight and straight to Ascari
Distance from grid to turn one 380m

Schedule
Friday 4th September 2015
Italian Grand Prix Free Practice 1: 10:00-11:30 (UK time: 9:00-10:30)
Italian Grand Prix Free Practice 2: 14:00-15:30 (UK time: 13:00-14:30)
Saturday 5th September 2015
Italian Grand Prix Free Practice 3: 11:00-12:00 (UK time: 10:00-11:00)
Italian Grand Prix Qualifying: 14:00 (UK time: 13:00)
Sunday 6th September 2015
Italian Grand Prix: 14:00 (UK time: 13:00)

Previous Winners
2014 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton Mercedes Monza Road Circuit
2013 Germany Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault
2012 United Kingdom Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes
2011 Germany Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault
2010 Spain Fernando Alonso Ferrari
2009 Brazil Rubens Barrichello Brawn-Mercedes
2008 Germany Sebastian Vettel Toro Rosso-Ferrari
2007 Spain Fernando Alonso McLaren-Mercedes
2006 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2005 Colombia Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes
2004 Brazil Rubens Barrichello Ferrari
2003 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari
2002 Brazil Rubens Barrichello Ferrari
2001 Colombia Juan Pablo Montoya Williams-BMW
2000 Germany Michael Schumacher Ferrari


Alonso on board 2014
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5y_a5B5g-M


Prost on board 1991
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ9YphL2Sf4


Facts and Figures from the last race

Lewis Hamilton’s victory in the Belgian Grand Prix means he has now taken as may podium finishes as his hero Ayrton Senna. Hamilton racked up 80 podiums in 159 starts – it took Senna 158 races to achieve as many.

Only one driver on the grid today has more podiums than Hamilton: Fernando Alonso, with 97. Further ahead of them on the ‘most podiums’ list are Alain Prost (106) and Michael Schumacher (155).

Hamilton’s tenth pole position of the year means he has won the FIA Pole Position Trophy with eight rounds to spare. For the first time in his career he took pole for the sixth race in a row, something no one else on the grid has managed.

If Hamilton takes pole at the next two races he will equal the all-time record of eight, set by Senna. Prost and Schumacher also managed streaks of seven in a row – Schumacher was the last driver to take six on the trot, over the last four races of 2000 and the first four of 2001.

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Vettel was closing on another record streak when his right-rear tyre failed on the penultimate lap. He had finished the previous 21 races in the points, but that run has ended six races shy of the record held by his team mate Kimi Raikkonen.

Vettel’s 150th grand prix and Ferrari’s 900th therefore ended in disappointment. Raikkonen could only manage seventh place – the lowest finishing place he has record in a Belgian Grand Prix where he was still running at the end.

However Vettel remains the only non-Mercedes driver to have finished on the rostrum more than once this year. Romain Grosjean inherited his third place, giving him and Lotus their first podium since the 2013 United States Grand Prix.

Grosjean would also have had his best starting position since the same race had he not been penalised five places on the grid for a gearbox change. Along with Hamilton, he is one of only two drivers to have out-qualified his team mate ten times this year.

Vettel’s last-lap tyre blow-out means only the Mercedes drivers have completed every racing lap this year. For the second race in a row the race distance was shortened by a lap due to an aborted start.

Force India had their best starting position of the year so far (fourth) and result (fifth) thanks to Sergio Perez.

Nico Rosberg followed Hamilton home in second place, giving Mercedes their seventh one-two of the year and 50th consecutive points score (Ferrari’s 81 is the record). He also set the fastest lap of the race, the 12th of his career, putting him level with Alberto Ascari, Jack Brabham, Rene Arnoux and Juan Pablo Montoya.

Finally McLaren set a new, unwanted record for racking up the largest grid place penalty in F1 history. After changing the power units on Jenson Button and Alonso’s cars twice each, the pair had a combined 105-place grid drop between them.

Button has the most grid position penalties so far this year, 95, followed by Alonso on 75 and Verstappen on 25.



Current Standings

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Bernie tells (asks?) drivers to shut up about Pirelli
Its in stark contrast to what Bernie was saying about the sport at the start of the season when he was running it down
But then Pirelli does pay alot for track side signs and will at all cost be kept on by Bernie
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/34155703

Told you they would close ranks
 
fuzzyedges said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/34155703
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The latter part of the article is interesting. Michelin say they want to make tyres that will last all race. Pirelli say they want to be able to test the tyres with the top drivers.

I'd be more inclined to go with what Pirelli want than Michelin to be honest. But never mind all that, it's Monza this weekend, tied with Spa as the best circuit on the F1 calendar (and I will get myself organised and go next year).
 
Nice to see the race stewards' announcement that the Mercedes/Red Bull deal is still on course ... :whistle:
 
Yves Geza said:
Nice to see the race stewards' announcement that the Mercedes/Red Bull deal is still on course ... :whistle:
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So you think the FIA and stewards at Monza wouldn't want to give Ferrari a victory if there was a chance they could?

To suggest some sort of Red Bull/Mercedes manipulation is almost into "abducted by aliens" territory.
 
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Well, if I'm not right about that announcement, don't post it here. E-mail the answer to Russian Time and Team Lazarus :)
 
Yves Geza said:
Well, if I'm not right about that announcement, don't post it here. E-mail the answer to Russian Time and Team Lazarus :)
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There's every chance of such an announcement, it was discussed during today's coverage, but to try and link it to the stewards decision is the strange part.
 
Just to add
The top man at Ferrari was at Monza today (he is rarely seen at F1 events) he is also increasing the F1 budget after the dismissing of big numbers of staff from last season
He is rumoured to be talking to Red Bull at Monza about an offer of an engine is based on the A engine and not the B engine as was first offered

Tyre pressure
The Stewards decision will have been based on the fact that Mercs tyre pressures were measured by Pirelli with a Pirelli gauge presumably prior to leaving the pit. They were then measured on the grid
They are now sorting out a procedure that is correct where all tyre pressures are measured at a certain point in the meeting rather than several points
It would appear that Mercedes were expecting, if they had upheld the tyre pressure infringement, a time penalty applied after the race So it was a give it the gun lewis and did he do just that
The same instruction would have been given to Nico but with not the same result I reckon that one was a *hit or bust instruction

I also cant see the link between tyre pressures and engine offers

Reason for edit
Ive just seen this on autosport
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120694
 
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Kimi had a great race today
If he only hadnt dropped the second clutch first and left the line fighting Massa would have been ousted from the podium but a few more hours on the simulator instead of the dumper will sort that out
 
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