Even More Depressing?

This is true!
 
odd jim said:
What is a real camera?

Its very simple. A machine that is built and dedicated to taking still (or moving) images without compromise. Not a jack of all trades, communcation device / rubbish gaming console / mobile PC / torch / music player etc!
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Much like a modern DSLR can take videos, has GPS built into it, can record sound, Can tell you the time!! lol
 
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But then you're carrying the same amount of batteries than me.

I leave my phone at home.
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But none are for my "real" camera, unless I chose to use my other "real" camera that needs batteries or my phone camera which tbh is fine for document shots and aide memoire for coming back in different light with another "real" camera.
 
Raincloud said:
Much like a modern DSLR can take videos, has GPS built into it, can record sound, Can tell you the time!! lol
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But they are all linked and perform funtions based on the taken image, and my camera only tells me the time if I look at the exif! Whereas phones (using this example as this relates to the OP) have so much thats not even slightly connected with photography. When they do start to become more bias towards the image taking side of things I suspect they will simply be cameras, then we're back to square one.
 
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odd jim said:
For me a proper camera is simply a machine designed to be a camera. .
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So this is a proper camera?

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OK... gotcha :)


Stupid ****ing argument.
 
Yes it is!

(where did you find that, I must order one!)
 
odd jim said:
Yes it is!

(where did you find that, I must order one!)
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More so than this?

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If you say yes... then you're just wrong. You just are.

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It's part of my collection :)
 
Ok, at the extreme end I see what you're saying (as I have done throughout TBH but I wasn't going to say that so early!)

That aside, for me at least, neither would be a proper camera!

Which takes me back to something I said earlier, the term "proper camera" depends on the individual and is simply very subjective :)
 
odd jim said:
Ok, at the extreme end I see what you're saying (as I have done throughout TBH but I wasn't going to say that so early!)
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So you must realise what a silly argument this whole thread is.
 
Most are arent they?
 
But I do agree with the OP on some aspects, and I never want the industry to die in the face of mobile phone production and progress.

I want the two to remain paralell, which I suspect they will.
 
My phone, a OnePlus One, has a 13MP f/2.0 camera and shoots in raw too. One can argue that the picture quality may be good, if the light is good, but it's not comparable in handling. For that it will never ever replace a DSLR, even if the picture quality may go beyond, which will fortunately never be.
 
You shouldn't use your smartphone for making calls anyway. As you'll end up getting ear smeg all over the screen.
 
Yep, mostly it's a portable internet terminal. ;)
 
To be fair, I do find my phone camera really useful when I want to take pictures of my "real" camera and try to impress people with my gear.
 
Exactly. Gear is what it's all about. How else can we spend out way to being better photographers? That and megapixels.
 
The way i look at it is like this. I go out with my superduper clever phone in my pocket and my DSLR over my shoulder. I take photos all day long with my DSLR and i can still make a phone call at the end of the day. Good luck making a calling if you've been taking them with a phone all day.
 
My smartphone gets a lot of use. But photography and calling are not high on the list.

It's a Sony with a 20 Megspixel camera by the way. 20 Megspixels for gawd sake! More than my camera.
 
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It might have a 20MP sensor but it has a 0.03MP equivalent lens!


Steve.
 
It's the headline grabbing numbers that count. Not the results.

I just discovered, its actually 20.7 MP as well as 4k video. And there's even HDR video. How cool is that? Hollywood look out!
 
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I don't know anyone who owns, or still uses, a 'real' camera. They all use their phones, and are quite happy with the results, which is all that really matters. What's not to like? Take the photographs/video and share the results with anyone you like, anywhere in the world, instantly. My grandson was born and is growing up in another country, and nothing like this was possible until quite recently.

Email revolutionised written communications in much the same way, and is now being superseded by messaging and social media for many purposes, together with video links over Skype and similar applications.

Good digital cameras are available at just about every price point, offering capabilities to suit just about everyone, and film is still going strong if you prefer it.

I'm 62 and grew up with film, 8mm cine and phones that had dials. You still had to place calls through the operator, where the exchanges weren't automated, when I was a kid. You can't turn the clock back, and I'm glad to have access to the technologies we take for granted now.
 
There are phones with cameras in? Are you kidding me? Get out of here! Next, you'll be saying that there are phones that have built-in cassette players. What will they think of next?
 
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I’ve heard that the next stage of tech gismos is to put all this smart stuff into DSLR’s,

So we can sit and play whilst we wait in anticipation of the next subject to shoot.

Or even to talk and explain to our nearest and dearest as to why we will be late as the subject we want has not turned up yet.
 
Take care. The OP was depressed enough about these high spec smarphones. So saying that all this will come to DSLRs, is going to drive him suicidal!
 
It's all been downhill since dry plates were invented - it took all the skill out of preparing your own emulsion out in the field.

Don't get me started on Kodak and their You Press the Button, We Do the Rest malarkey... Box Brownie wannabe amateurs. :mad:
 
I send my raw pictures away and get small jpegs sent back a week later. Just to cling on to tradition.
 
Do they come back with a huge sticker (added via photoshop layers) slapped across it telling you how you screwed up the shot?
 
I'm sure the 13MP camera on my Note 3 takes great photos if i put my mind to it but no way will it take the same ones as my DSLR.

I was up at the Tower of London last year when the poppies were there and i was taking photos at about 1am and there were people there trying to take photos of them in pitch black darkness and they wondered why they couldn't get a nice clear photo like i had with my DSLR. Good luck getting a 30 sec exp with your phone lol
 
grove39 said:
I'm sure the 13MP camera on my Note 3 takes great photos if i put my mind to it but no way will it take the same ones as my DSLR.

I was up at the Tower of London last year when the poppies were there and i was taking photos at about 1am and there were people there trying to take photos of them in pitch black darkness and they wondered why they couldn't get a nice clear photo like i had with my DSLR. Good luck getting a 30 sec exp with your phone lol
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There is an app for that....
 
The increasing smartness of smartphone, and their increasing smartness at guessing what kind of photo would please you when you point the camera at something, is part of a general increasing disdain for technicalities in creative artistic people and their customers. This leads to such absurdities as all those modern sculptures of sundials in public places which don't work, because the local council idiots who commissioned the work wouldn't know if it worked or not, and the artist doesn't care. Or the "Aeolian Harp" recently commissioned & installed at great expense near me which is modelled on a real modern concert harp, and has been installed in an outdoor location, protected from the rain, and open to the wind, with a whole load of guff printed beside it "explaining" how the wind makes it sound. Except it doesn't, because that's not how any of the several kinds of Aeolian harp works. It's a monument to ignorance and artistic complacency and technophobia.
 
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Denyerec said:
Phones are the new compacts, but the algorithms built into the software give them better-than-average results.

If you are concerned from a business perspective than "Better than average" poses a threat, re-train quickly.
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I disagree.


If you've used a modern, fully manual compact, such as the Sony RX100 with its larger sensor, excellent f1/8 Carl Zeiss lens, phones don't come close!

There's no way my iphone 6 can match this.
 
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But that's not the types of compact that normal people use, the average phone has replaced camera like the coolpix or the ixus.
odd jim said:
I disagree.


If you've used a modern, fully manual compact, such as the Sony RX100 with its larger sensor, excellent f1/8 Carl Zeiss lens, phones don't come close!

There's no way my iphone 6 can match this.
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But that's not the types of compact that normal people use, the average phone has replaced camera like the coolpix or the ixus.
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True to some extent, but the mk1 RX100 is only 250 quid these days which Joe Average used to happily, and still does, spend on a compact.

Its all relative, as phone cameras improve, so do the rest.

I think the difference is now, with fully manual compacts, is that the industry is aiming at the enthusiast rather than the 'happy snapper', so in that respect you're right.
 
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