EU Immigrants to the UK add more to the economy than they take out

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So according to a report by University College London's Centre for Research and Analysis of Migration, immigrants from the 10 countries which joined the EU in 2004 contributed more to the UK than they took out in benefits. They added £4.96bn more in taxes in the years to 2011 than they took out in public services. Story source here.

On a less positive note there is evidence that immigration drives down the pay of the indigenous population, especially among the lowest paid. However, it looks like free movement within the EU tends to be of benefit to the UK economy.

Long may it continue.
 
Winds me up when these people come to my Country and get the jobs that the lazy English cant be arsed to get off of their sofas to try and get. How dare they contribute! They all need shooting I say... :rolleyes:
 
The ragged sound of a grown man weeping into his ammo case is emanating from Scotland.
 
ST4 said:
Of course none of the vacancies these people filled could have been filled by British born applicants.
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No-one said that. Of course they could have, but generally it seems that there are a lot of Brits that cant be bothered to go out to try and get work.

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It is of course entirely possible, that the immigrant applicants were much better quaified for the jobs.
 
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Nikon_Nick said:
No-one said that. Of course they could have, but generally it seems that there are a lot of Brits that cant be bothered to go out to try and get work.
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Really. There's a few for sure but you can deal with that with benefit cuts etc. The fact they could have but didn't worries me. If you have a suitable candidate that's British born IMHO they should be hired over a non British born candidate. Only of you genuinely can't fill your job with a suitable candidate from Britain should you be allowed to look elsewhere. IMHO of course.

British jobs for British people. If that makes me a right wing loon job so be it but it's how I see it

We have many capable people born and bred in Britain. Why should good British opportunities not go to these people rather than give a lucky break to someone from oversees. I don't get it. We have a 60million plus population with an educated (mostly) working age population.
 
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ST4 said:
Really. There's a few for sure but you can deal with that with benefit cuts etc. The fact they could have but didn't worries me. If you have a suitable candidate that's British born IMHO they should be hired over a non British born candidate. Only of you genuinely can't fill your job with a suitable candidate from Britain should you be allowed to look elsewhere. IMHO of course.
British jobs for British people. If that makes me a right wing loon job so be it but it's how I see it
We have many capable people born and bred in Britain. Why should good British opportunities not go to these people rather than give a lucky break to someone from oversees. I don't get it. We have a 60million plus population with an educated (mostly) working age population.
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And if the British candidates were more suitable than the non native candidates, they would have got the jobs. As an example, in my team at work there are 11 people. Nine are British, one is Polish, and one is Italian. The Polish and Italian girls were better suited to the jobs they applied for because they speak multiple languages, and were therefore more suitable for the roles. In my experience, the English appear to be one of the worst nations for wanting to try and learn other languages.
 
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neil_g said:
sure. if:

a) they actually applied for the jobs
b) they were actually any good at doing the job
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And THAT is the real crux of it.
 
so is this all immigrants then? how much are the thousands over in Calais, the one having to hide under lorries and in peoples car boots, going to contribute? What worthwhile role will they play? Apart from a strong grip, which im sure is useful for holding on to the free papers they hand out on corners and the sponges used in supermarket car park car washes, i struggle to see what they contribute?

Or could this just be the spin machine starting to wind up from Cameron.
 
essexash said:
so is this all immigrants then? how much are the thousands over in Calais, the one having to hide under lorries and in peoples car boots, going to contribute? What worthwhile role will they play? Apart from a strong grip, which im sure is useful for holding on to the free papers they hand out on corners and the sponges used in supermarket car park car washes, i struggle to see what they contribute?

Or could this just be the spin machine starting to wind up from Cameron.
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Crime and pick pocketing. If they come in illegally they are capable of doing practically anything. We need to gaurd our borders more.
 
ST4 said:
My workplace is mainly British born staff and it is a very successful business.
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wonderful.

To imply British people aren't good at jobs is racism IMHO.
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WTF? you have missed my point entirely. i'll make it easier..

if there are more suitable people actually applying for the jobs (i.e. more qualified, more experienced) then they'll get hired. irrespective of their home country.
 
neil_g said:
if there are more suitable people actually applying for the jobs (i.e. more qualified, more experienced) then they'll get hired. irrespective of their home country.
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How are people more suitable from overseas. We have a wealth of home grown talent that are able, willing to work and aren't getting the chances IMHO as EU workers will work for less. We need to, as a society, try and grow out own talent and give our own people the jobs they need to succeed in their careers.
 
Stats can prove anything but if that's the case great. As long as there is a benefit to us long may it continue.

Agree about driving down wages in some sectors as the op suggested. Personally the biggest issue we should have with immigration is the non eu aspect as that will be a drain.

Immigration even from eu needs to be controlled. If loads of people come here it puts a strain on schools and hospitals among other things which cannot be addressed overnight.
 
ST4 said:
How did I imply racism other than voice my preference for whenever possible hiring British born candidates. If we continue to employ foreign ones, we will make it harder and harder for people here to get work here. Its not a long term solution.
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Youre still missing the point.

If the British candidates for these jobs had been better qualified and better suited for the roles, they would have got them. Thats how it works. Quite simple.

When I say 'Implied racism', im referring to when you said "Why should good British opportunities not go to these people rather than give a lucky break to someone from oversees." Why is it a 'lucky break'? These people have worked hard to get themselves into a position to be offered jobs. They work hard, they have recognised qualifications etc. Is this not possible becasue they are not British?

And this peach... "Only of you genuinely can't fill your job with a suitable candidate from Britain should you be allowed to look elsewhere. IMHO of course." For that to happen, would mean some very immoral practises by the companies doing the hiring. Only interviewing the British candidates, and if they didnt find someone suitable, they could then interview the non native candidate? Seems pretty racist to me.
 
Nikon_Nick said:
Youre still missing the point.

If the British candidates for these jobs had been better qualified and better suited for the roles, they would have got them. Thats how it works. Quite simple.

When I say 'Implied racism', im referring to when you said "Why should good British opportunities not go to these people rather than give a lucky break to someone from oversees." Why is it a 'lucky break'? These people have worked hard to get themselves into a position to be offered jobs. They work hard, they have recognised qualifications etc. Is this not possible becasue they are not British?

And this peach... "Only of you genuinely can't fill your job with a suitable candidate from Britain should you be allowed to look elsewhere. IMHO of course." For that to happen, would mean some very immoral practises by the companies doing the hiring. Only interviewing the British candidates, and if they didnt find someone suitable, they could then interview the non native candidate? Seems pretty racist to me.
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Because, to make yourself a successful country you need successful people, how can you do that if you don't employ them.

I don't see the second point as racist, you are just trying to hire someone from your country to work. It works well in countries abroad.
 
ST4 said:
Because, to make yourself a successful country you need successful people, how can you do that if you don't employ them.

I don't see the second point as racist, you are just trying to hire someone from your country to work. It works well in countries abroad.
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But Steve, surely these companies are hiring people they think will contribute to their company. Why do you think they would have the interests of the Country in their minds (dependant on the company of course). They are in business to make money, which is their primary concern. Anyting else that follows is surely a bonus. I work for a very large American company (one of the largest in their field). So does that mean they are making a mistake by not only employing Americans?
 
Nikon_Nick said:
And if the British candidates were more suitable than the non native candidates, they would have got the jobs. As an example, in my team at work there are 11 people. Nine are British, one is Polish, and one is Italian. The Polish and Italian girls were better suited to the jobs they applied for because they speak multiple languages, and were therefore more suitable for the roles. In my experience, the English appear to be one of the worst nations for wanting to try and learn other languages.
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One problem I see over the language scenario is that if I learn Polish eg I can speak to say 14M people, Slovak 6M, Hungarian 6M whereas if I am none native and learn English I can speak with 350M in multiple countries. Also in UK we offer free translation services and , it seems, will employ non English speakers whereas in other countries fluency is a prerequisite and pay for your own interpreter.
This should not be taken as a xenophobic comment merely a practical one.
 
ST4 said:
Because, to make yourself a successful country you need successful people, how can you do that if you don't employ them.

I don't see the second point as racist, you are just trying to hire someone from your country to work. It works well in countries abroad.
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I have been employing people for 9 years. It is a real mix, sometimes a Brit is better sometimes they are not. All I am bothered about is can they do the job! Why would u want a less skilled Brit ahead of a foreigner with better skills.
 
ChasG said:
One problem I see over the language scenario is that if I learn Polish eg I can speak to say 14M people, Slovak 6M, Hungarian 6M whereas if I am none native and learn English I can speak with 350M in multiple countries. Also in UK we offer free translation services and , it seems, will employ non English speakers whereas in other countries fluency is a prerequisite and pay for your own interpreter.
This should not be taken as a xenophobic comment merely a practical one.
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Im not sure I understand, apologies.

Surely if you are English and learn Polish, you can still talk to the same amount of people that a Polish person that learns English can speak to?
 
Nikon_Nick said:
But Steve, surely these companies are hiring people they think will contribute to their company. Why do you think they would have the interests of the Country in their minds (dependant on the company of course). They are in business to make money, which is their primary concern. Anyting else that follows is surely a bonus. I work for a very large American company (one of the largest in their field). So does that mean they are making a mistake by not only employing Americans?
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Not sure, but as a British person working in Britain, I have the interests of Britain and its people at the forefront of my mind. We are not encouraging people who can do these jobs into these jobs. As a society, IMHO, we should do something about that.

As your employer is American but operating in the UK, IMHO it should where possible hire UK born staff. IMHO.
 
ST4 said:
Exactly. Australia isn't a sinking ship because it fills its posts mainly with Australians.
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One of the reasons for that though, Steve, is that Australia has a much stricter immigration policy than us.
 
Nikon_Nick said:
Im not sure I understand, apologies.

Surely if you are English and learn Polish, you can still talk to the same amount of people that a Polish person that learns English can speak to?
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Yes I can still speak to the 350M BUT I cannot then go to work in Spain, France or Germany.
Logically if I wanted to be able to speak to the largest number of people, and therefore be more likely to gain employment, I should learn Chinese followed by Spanish.
 
ST4 said:
Not sure, but as a British person working in Britain, I have the interests of Britain and its people at the forefront of my mind. We are not encouraging people who can do these jobs into these jobs. As a society, IMHO, we should do something about that.

As your employer is American but operating in the UK, IMHO it should where possible hire UK born staff. IMHO.
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Ok, so how do you propose we encourge the people into work that dont want to work? Dont just say "Stop their benefits", as we all know that a government will not actively seek to make people homeless.

From your second point there, it appears you are still missing (ignoring) the point already made numerous times. You interview 2 candidiates, one is British and one is French (for example). As an employer, you will always/should always hire the one that is better qualified for the role. Why should it matter where they are from. Like it or not, as long as we are all part of the EU, and are free to move aound an work as much as we are able, this is the way it will always be.
 
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