Englands fastest speeders

Server Hamster said:
You don't scare me, snake. I've eaten strawberries that were harder than you. :grumpy:
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PMSL I wondered when you'd show up
Now get back on the wheel theres a good chap(ess)
 
ST4 said:
If you crash at 70, you die, you crash at 138mph, you die. I struggle how thats easier on the emergency services or family of the deceased.
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How about if your doing 70 you don't crash at all :rolleyes:
 
ST4 said:
If you crash at 70, you die, you crash at 138mph, you die. I struggle how thats easier on the emergency services or family of the deceased.
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If you crash at 138 mph, your car has nearly four times as much kinetic energy as it would at 70 mph, That means it can do nearly four times as much damage.


Steve.
 
Steve Smith said:
If you crash at 138 mph, your car has nearly four times as much kinetic energy as it would at 70 mph, That means it can do nearly four times as much damage.


Steve.
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Death is death. At 70mph it posesses more than enough speed to kill all its occupants.

I'm talking about events where it doesn't hit any other cars
jakeblu said:
How about if your doing 70 you don't crash at all :rolleyes:
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Did I crash at 138mph? Was I that much more likely to crash. Is Germany a total blood bath where this sort of speed is relatively normal?
 
ST4 said:
Death is death. At 70mph it posesses more than enough speed to kill all its occupants.
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And at 138 it has enough energy to kill the occupants of a couple of other cars too.

Apart from being illegal, obviously there is no physical problem with excessive speed until something goes wrong.

However, the potential for problems increases for two reasons:

1. Things happen quicker and you cannot respond quickly enough to them - don't pretend that you can, you're a human designed by nature to travel at walking/running pace.

2. The extra kinetic energy has the ability to cause more damage and/or death.


Steve.
 
Steve Smith said:
And at 138 it has enough energy to kill the occupants of a couple of other cars too.

Apart from being illegal, obviously there is no physical problem with excessive speed until something goes wrong.

However, the potential for problems increases for two reasons:
1. Things happen quicker and you cannot respond quickly enough to them - don't pretend that you can, you're a human designed by nature to travel at walking/running pace.
2. The extra kinetic energy has the ability to cause more damage and/or death.

Steve.
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Actually, I've taken part in trials several times using research simulators testing varying aspects of driving, one of which was the effect of speeding. How much fun was that. Please drive along this road, then please drive along it as fast as possible, then ok we think you can go a lot faster and someone stands behind you going quicker, quicker.

From this I deduced, driving has nothing to do with the ability of a human to propel itself, it relies on a combination of senses and rapid response times, something a young person has but deteriorates with time, unless trained, hence why Batak Pro trainers are used by a lot of race drivers to train peripheral vision and response. Also a human is programmed to take calculated risks based on experience, or lack of, which along with a fair slice of luck determines the outcome of actions.


From GCSE maths
kinetic energy = 1⁄2 × mass × speed2 so as Steve said - a huge increase in kinetic energy, which is why things go so wrong as you go faster.

On a straight piece of tarmac, with the right vehicle taking it to the limit is exciting but all the time you are thinking, what if something goes wrong. I've taken my car to 190mph at Bruntingthorpe, we've done timed standing start to a mile runs at Wattisham (31 secs, 177mph). You think you're running out of runway, get amazed by how short a distance you stop in, but without experience there's no way you can work out the safe stopping distance for a given piece of tarmac/concrete.

I think the general rules at the moment are correct, both for social and safety reasons. For a 70 mph limit, over 100 is a ban, under is points. I used to use the power on the bike to nip past problems, these days I just fall back and wait. I must be getting old :D
 
Steve Smith said:
And at 138 it has enough energy to kill the occupants of a couple of other cars too.

Apart from being illegal, obviously there is no physical problem with excessive speed until something goes wrong.

However, the potential for problems increases for two reasons:

1. Things happen quicker and you cannot respond quickly enough to them - don't pretend that you can, you're a human designed by nature to travel at walking/running pace.

2. The extra kinetic energy has the ability to cause more damage and/or death.


Steve.
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A car hitting another car at 70mph is taking out its occupants as well.

Didn't think I'd have spell that out too.

Once you're above 50 and you crash it's good night everyone involved. 50,60,70,138. The net result is the same.

It's why I detest so much of modern road/driving thinking. So many assume that if they drive at or below the speed limit they'll be safe abs as soon as you stray above its dangerous.

A crash at 60 or 70. You leave with a blanket over your face. As does anyone else involved unless they are extremely lucky.
 
big soft moose said:
don't fret sarah , you've got at least 8 more months before he has the opportunity to stack a BMW 720 into a tree and go the way of Paul Walker. I just hope it is only a tree and not a family car.
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Will you please point me in the direction of a post I made where I said I'd be driving fast and wilfully speeding. I've repeatedly said I've no intention of repeating my 138mph run.

Btw, the E65 7 series never came with a two litre engine. The smallest engine is a 3litre. As its a diesel three litre BMW call it 30d and as its a seven series (the flagship BMW) it's 730d. It's a straight six engine so nice and smooth. A 4 cylinder engine would be plebeian for such a car :)

I've enjoyed your hysterical posts bit suspect this is pure trolling at its finest. Unless you can straighten out your facts and prove I said I'm going for a high speed run.
 
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Bernie174 said:
And I'm afraid that the BMW/Audi/Volvo owners need to learn that the car is far more capable than their driving ambitions.
The car wont stall if in lane 1.
On the M25, the 2 inside lanes are there to be used, and all traffic does not need to sit in lanes 3 and 4.
The aforementioned car makers do, in spite of opinion held by the owners at great expense put numbers below 70 on the speedometer, and the car will not be irreparably damaged if the speedo points to those numbers.
The dotted lines on the on slip roads to motorways are give way lines, meaning that even German/Swedish cars have to give way, an indicator on these cars does not confer right of way.
That the best way of leaving a motorway is not to drive at 90 until 20 feet from the junction, then swerve across 2 lanes of traffic, causing them to brake.
I could go on...........
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Just because I drive a particular make of car it does not make me a k**b. In fact I see far more dangerous and inconsiderate driving from Ford, Vauxhall and Scoobie drivers. The issue is training, the will to learn, and consideration for others. As I said to a policeman in an unmarked car when he stopped me on the M4 for flashing him "My breaking distance is not an invitation for you to pull out". He wound he neck in after that. Nobody has a divine right to drive how they like, but everybody has the duty to consider others when they drive.

Mirror, Signal, Manoeuvre, even in that order does not give anybody the right to just pull out. That little amber flashing light is a signal that tells me you would like to move in that direction, it's not an order to me to let you change direction (especially when I have nothing behind me). Speed is another of these things, I have no issue with people driving in excess of 70 miles an hour as long as they consider others in the process.
 
Jelster said:
Just because I drive a particular make of car it does not make me a k**b. In fact I see far more dangerous and inconsiderate driving from Ford, Vauxhall and Scoobie drivers. .
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I suspect a certain chippyness and car envy at play. Perhaps it is the only time Mr Bernie gets to drive a nice car. Who know's, who cares.
 
At the end of the day the car is an inanimate object with no ability to determine Road etiquette, it's the jockey behind the wheel that makes decisions so make/models driven are a bit of a moot point.
 
Just because I drive a particular make of car it does not make me a k**b. In fact I see far more dangerous and inconsiderate driving from Ford, Vauxhall and Scoobie drivers.
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Mirror, signal manoeuvre. Interesting, and wasted on most people. Personally, I prefer the features of the system.

Are all BMW/Audi and Volvo drivers k**bs? No, some are very nice people. Can they all drive to the standard that they need to to be at the speeds they drive at? Very few. To be fair, you are right, ford, vauxhall and every other make are in the same boat, BUT most of them don't make the same reckless assumptions that I see the 3 makes I mention take every day, week in week out.

But then should anyone be surprised? No, there's no compulsory training for motorways. There is no training required to pass a test for driving any faster than 30mph. Yet, as I keep saying everyone assumes once they have that pinkish credit card sized bit of plastic, that they are Sterling Moss. They aren't!

This site would run out of bandwitdth long before I stopped giving example of poor driving, which is why I try to avoid doing what you have. Besides, lets be honest, if I did, you would only have my word for it. In the same way as I have just your word for the circumstances you mentioned.

As for considering others when they drive? Oh, I wish! it's very usual to see drivers do that, although again to be fair, its the old and slow who I see doing that most often.
 
Jelster said:
Just because I drive a particular make of car it does not make me a k**b. In fact I see far more dangerous and inconsiderate driving from Ford, Vauxhall and Scoobie drivers. The issue is training, the will to learn, and consideration for others. As I said to a policeman in an unmarked car when he stopped me on the M4 for flashing him "My breaking distance is not an invitation for you to pull out". He wound he neck in after that. Nobody has a divine right to drive how they like, but everybody has the duty to consider others when they drive.

Mirror, Signal, Manoeuvre, even in that order does not give anybody the right to just pull out. That little amber flashing light is a signal that tells me you would like to move in that direction, it's not an order to me to let you change direction (especially when I have nothing behind me). Speed is another of these things, I have no issue with people driving in excess of 70 miles an hour as long as they consider others in the process.
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All good points! Although I'd suggest that as well as the will to learn, you need the ability to learn too!

I don't go searching for videos to make a point, but another TP member PM'd me this short clip. FWIW this is what I think a driving mistake looks like!


https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=712819225441198
 
Bernie174 said:
Yet, as I keep saying everyone assumes once they have that pinkish credit card sized bit of plastic, that they are Sterling Moss. They aren't!
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I must be better than most then, I don't have one of those plastic ones. ;)
 
Yves Geza said:
All good points! Although I'd suggest that as well as the will to learn, you need the ability to learn too!

I don't go searching for videos to make a point, but another TP member PM'd me this short clip. FWIW this is what I think a driving mistake looks like!


https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=712819225441198
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No proof that was in actual fact a police officer. Could quite easily be a mechanic road testing the car.
 
ST4 said:
DSA test should include some out of town driving, a DCW, NSL single carriageway work? It is very urban driving bias'd however
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My driving test included the A10 Great Cambridge road dual carriage way
 
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Mirror, signal manoeuvre.


I honestly thought these days it was manoeuvre, mirror to see who the p***ed off person behind was, then signal, usually with the middle finger or Gareth Hunt coffee gesture.
You learn to read all sorts of vehicle body language on a motorbike. I was taught many years ago to assume everyone else on the road is an idiot and ride accordingly.
 
Bernie174 said:
everyone assumes once they have that pinkish credit card sized bit of plastic, that they are Sterling Moss. They aren't!
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Unfortunately.

Sterling Moss had the good sense to stop racing after an accident which left him unable to drive instinctively. When he realised that he had to think about things which previously came naturally, he knew he would no longer be as good.


Steve.
 
Byker28i said:
I honestly thought these days it was manoeuvre, mirror to see who the p***ed off person behind was, then signal, usually with the middle finger or Gareth Hunt coffee gesture.
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Now it seems to be don't bother to signal - after all, it does need Herculean strength to move that little lever up and down and it's hardly in a convenient place, right next to your hand, by the steering wheel.

People do use indicators sometimes though - often indicating right whilst exiting a roundabout - just because their exit was to the right of the road they entered on.


Steve.
 
Stirling Moss also received a £50 fine and 12 month ban for dangerous driving in 1960
 
Steve Smith said:
People do use indicators sometimes though - often indicating right whilst exiting a roundabout - just because their exit was to the right of the road they entered on.


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I do, but only on mini roundabouts as there is no other way of letting other motorists know where you intend to go, and no time to indicate left when exiting the roundabout.
 
The number of times I'm seeing Mirror Signal Manoeuvre on this thread shows how long it is since anyone here took a driving lesson :lol:

It is currently M.S.P.S.L.M. :-)
 
Oh, a police officer made an error, shock horror...I can see the newspaper headlines tomorrow:

"Police in mass murder plot" - Mail on Sunday

"Police cause numerous deaths in motorway horror nearly" - The Sunday Mirror

"Lady PC Does U Turn - Topless Pic page 3" - The Sun On Sunday

Police are not perfect, no one has claimed they are. But one video, does not an epidemic make.

Jonathon, if you want, I'll go looking for public bad driving videos...Oh, I don't need to do I, there's 2 examples of 4 bad drivers on here already!

Oh, and the Legislation says, for the numbskull who was yapping on the video, that a Police driver can exceed a speed limit for policing purposes. What it does not demand or say is that blue lights/disco music must be used.

 
nilagin said:
I do, but only on mini roundabouts as there is no other way of letting other motorists know where you intend to go, and no time to indicate left when exiting the roundabout.
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We have more mini runabouts here than we know what to do with (I think they breed them here TBH)
And yes it is possible to use the correct signal(s) although many still fail at it.
(and indeed even go around the wrong side at times too ;) )
In fact considering the place "runs" on roundabouts they even manage to fail at signalling correctly at the larger versions.

Jelster said:
Mirror, Signal, Manoeuvre, even in that order does not give anybody the right to just pull out. That little amber flashing light is a signal that tells me you would like to move in that direction, it's not an order to me to let you change direction (especially when I have nothing behind me).
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Because they are in a hurry and "their" time is more valuable than "yours" I suspect ;)

Byker28i said:
Mirror, signal manoeuvre.
I honestly thought these days it was manoeuvre, mirror to see who the p***ed off person behind was, then signal, usually with the middle finger or Gareth Hunt coffee gesture.
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Yeah, why is that? how come its ALWAYS "your" fault when some "Gareth Hunt" ( :) ) pulls out on you?

Byker28i said:
. I was taught many years ago to assume everyone else on the road is an idiot and ride accordingly.
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I was also taught that many years ago too, It's served me well, also :)
 
nilagin said:
Stirling Moss also received a £50 fine and 12 month ban for dangerous driving in 1960
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Coulthard was prosecuted in India during an exhibition for doing 160mph on a public road, publicising the indian GP. Hamilton has been nicked in Australia, France and on the M25. Button was fined in Dubai


Lewis Hamilton has had some unwanted negative publicity after being caught speeding in France.
Although I can’t condone speeding, nor can I say ‘I’m holier than thou’ – I picked up a ticket of my own this year. Ironically enough I was returning from the Goodwood Festival of Speed at the time…

Hamilton is not alone – thousands of British motorists are ticketed for speeding every week. And F1 drivers from Jenson Button to Jean Alesi have had their collars felt by the long arm of the law. But some of them took it rather more seriously than others.

Nelson Piquet
Three-times Formula 1 world champion Nelson Piquet was disqualified from driving in June this year for various offences including speeding and parking violations.

His wife Viviane also lost her licence and the pair had to attend classes and sit an exam to get their licenses back. Meanwhile Nelson Piquet Jnr will make his F1 debut for Renault in 2008.

Giancarlo Fisichella
The former Renault driver had his licence taken away after he broke the speed limit in Italy in 2005. Fisichella later said he was in a hurry to return home to his unwell son.

He said: “I understand that even in these situations you must always avoid going too fast and respect the speed limits. I’m aware of having made a mistake so I apologize and I’m ready to pay for it. My commitments towards road safety remain strong.”

Juan-Pablo Montoya
Seven times Grand Prix winner Montoya was caught doing 200kph in France in 2003. He was less repentant than Fisichella, saying: “Who doesn’t go at 200 clicks on those motorways? I tell you, that car does 240kph no problem. I was taking it easy.”

The gendarme issued an on the spot fine which Montoya paid in cash right away with wife-to-be Connie at the wheel: “Connie and I had been chatting and she told me to go steady because there might be police about so I was only doing 200km/h. Anyway, after I paid the policeman, I just handed over to Connie and told her to drive.”

Eddie Irvine
Irvine was arrested for allegedly speeding on a scooter in London, without insurance.

He failed to turn up in court and a warrant was subsequently issued for his arrest, and three years later the police were still looking for him…

Jean Alesi
Alesi retired from Formula 1 in 2001 and two years later was (like Hamilton and Montoya) caught speeding in France.

Alesi said: “I assume full responsibility and acknowledge my mistake. You learn from your mistakes and I will try to behave better than this in the future.”

Jenson Button
Button was caught speeding during his debut season in 2000, also in France. He clocked 230kph in a diesel-powered BMW – being 20 years old at the time he was only allowed to drive diesel cars in Europe.
 
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Byker28i said:
Eddie Irvine
Irvine was arrested for allegedly speeding on a scooter in London, without insurance.
He failed to turn up in court and a warrant was subsequently issued for his arrest, and three years later the police were still looking for him…
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:D
 
Yves Geza said:
All good points! Although I'd suggest that as well as the will to learn, you need the ability to learn too!

I don't go searching for videos to make a point, but another TP member PM'd me this short clip. FWIW this is what I think a driving mistake looks like!


https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=712819225441198
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You do know police drivers don't have to use blue lights to exceed the speed limit? Just saying. The exemption is in law not the switch that turns them on.

Also, I've not said anything until now, but I'm interested in why you seem to hate the thin blue line so much? No one ever said even the best police drivers aren't flawless, just as no one is, including yourself. The way you bleat on, you'd think you've never, ever made a mistake behind the wheel.
 
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odd jim said:
The exemption is in law not the switch that turns them on.
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This is something I have wondered for quite a while. i.e. is there an exemption in law for emergency vehicles or is it still an offence, albeit one which you will not be prosecuted for as it's not in the public interest to do so?


Steve.
 
You can certainly still be prosecuted for passing through a red light in order to make way for an emergency vehicle. That's not rare at all.
 
Steve Smith said:
This is something I have wondered for quite a while. i.e. is there an exemption in law for emergency vehicles or is it still an offence, albeit one which you will not be prosecuted for as it's not in the public interest to do so?


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The exemption is in law, as long as the vehicle is being used for a policing purpose and that keeping to the speed limit (or red light) would hinder that use. There is no requirement to use blues and twos, that is up to the officer to decide if they are needed at that given time.
 
viv1969 said:
You can certainly still be prosecuted for passing through a red light in order to make way for an emergency vehicle. That's not rare at all.
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Actually, that is rare. On the odd occasion it's happened it was a static camera that detected the offence. An officer certainly wouldn't stop and give them a ticket, believe you me, we are just happy if you get out if the way.
 
viv1969 said:
You can certainly still be prosecuted for passing through a red light in order to make way for an emergency vehicle. That's not rare at all.
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Yes, but I have done it before and wouldn't hesitate to do it again. I would be very surprised to be prosecuted for it though. And if it was via a static camera, I would want to argue the case in court rather than just accept the fine.


Steve.
 
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odd jim said:
Actually, that is rare. On the odd occasion it's happened it was a static camera that detected the offence. An officer certainly wouldn't stop and give them a ticket, believe you me, we are just happy if you get out if the way.
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Sorry Jim, but in my professional experience it's not rare at all.

However, almost all decisions are reversed if the recipient chooses to do so.
 
viv1969 said:
Sorry Jim, but in my professional experience it's not rare at all.

However, almost all decisions are reversed if the recipient chooses to do so.
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Well, in 12 years as a traffic cop, no one who moved out of my way through a red light has ever been prosecuted! I always make the effort to wave a "thank you" at them as well.

Anyway you've agreed with me, any offences detected under these circumstances (via camera presumably) are overturned. Thus not prosecuted.
 
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