Englands fastest speeders

Byker28i said:
Sorry but that is MPH, not KPH, as proven by the speed behind some of the vehicles and the rate the bike acelerates. When it touches 167 on the speedo the bike is redlining in top gear. And on a big bike, that is the rate you can find yourself doing illegal speeds.

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R1 racing a Porsche on some very twisty roads reaching speeds of 170 mph.
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I'm aware it was done in the UK and we have mph etc but, at one point the bike goes past a cyclist at an indicated 100+ and at that point the speed of the bike is not 100+ mph, also he seems to go around roundabouts at over 60 mph? I don't think so. Take a look at other videos with certified speeds and you'll see the difference.
 
ST4 said:
Plus the one I was on, you could see in a distance you could stop and accelerate the car back up to 138mph. ...
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and in that distance you had perfect vision of the whole road including any debris , patches of oil etc on the road surface, and everything along both sides of it , despite the fact that it was dark.... yeah okay if you say so

on the 'which is more dangerous' question - weaving in and out of the trafic like a moron at 75 in road conditions only fit for 50 is clearly more dangerous - and anyone caught by the dibble driving like that would get more than a year ban ... but that doesnt mean that 138 on a straight dry road is safe or acceptable either.

if you'd blown a tyre at that speed you could easily have crossed thecentral reservation - where your wreckage would have posed a serious hazard to anyone coming in the other direction
 
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big soft moose said:
really so you havent driven over Shap summit on the M6 then , where you can see b****r all as you approach the blind rise

also motorways are mostly designed (with one or two notable exceptions) to have reasonable lines of sight for those traveling at or arround the speed limit - they are not designed with 138mph speed runs in mind.
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Yup - know it, it's not as extreme as you make out
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@54.5...m4!1e1!3m2!1suI6YejAz-UZ-zO1Y9Rgyvw!2e0?hl=en

Actually there are strict rules for motorways with the occaisional exception. http://www.dft.gov.uk/ha/standards/dmrb/ The m5 bend near birmingham being one (50mph limit but easily taken faster).
 
PaulF said:
I'm aware it was done in the UK and we have mph etc but, at one point the bike goes past a cyclist at an indicated 100+ and at that point the speed of the bike is not 100+ mph, also he seems to go around roundabouts at over 60 mph? I don't think so. Take a look at other videos with certified speeds and you'll see the difference.
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Nope sorry - 167mph he redlines the bike in top gear - thats about right for a R1
Off a roundabout when caught behind the people carrier he's doing an indicated 50+, which is about right

The porsche is moving around roundabouts and 60mph around roundabouts is easy on a bikle if a good rider and committed, which it appeared he was.
 
big soft moose said:
and in that distance you had perfect vision of the whole road including any debris , patches of oil etc on the road surface, and everything along both sides of it , despite the fact that it was dark.... yeah okay if you say so

on the 'which is more dangerous' question - weaving in and out of the trafic like a moron at 75 in road conditions only fit for 50 is clearly more dangerous - and anyone caught by the dibble driving like that would get more than a year ban ... but that doesnt mean that 138 on a straight dry road is safe or acceptable either.

if you'd blown a tyre at that speed you could easily have crossed thecentral reservation - where your wreckage would have posed a serious hazard to anyone coming in the other direction
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There wasn't anything coming the other way, there are strong barriers and it wasn't dark. The conditions were as good as they can be.

Dibble often drive at these speeds, can they truthfully answer yes to your questions in bold...
 
ST4 said:
I've never found one that does. None of my ex's cared for speed/cars. One even tried to buy a dog...it didn't work out.
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Depends if you was trying to run them over ;) ex not dog :D


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Byker28i said:
Nope sorry - 167mph he redlines the bike in top gear - thats about right for a R1
Off a roundabout when caught behind the people carrier he's doing an indicated 50+, which is about right

The porsche is moving around roundabouts and 60mph around roundabouts is easy on a bikle if a good rider and committed, which it appeared he was.
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Not going to argue, guess we'll agree to disagree :cool:
 
Cg_Girl said:
Depends if you was trying to run them over ;) ex not dog :D


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I nearly ran myself over. I parked my car in a parking bay at a relatives house, didn't park it too well but couldn't be bothered to start it up, so decided to push it in so openned the door, released the parking brake, popped it into N and pushed it back. Problem was there was a slight gradient so it rolled away, so I ran round to the back of the car to stop it and it nearly knocked me down, (2 tons of metal going 2mph ain't stopping on my weedy arms. Thankfully I left the drivers door open so I dived accross and put my hand on the foot brake.

Closest I came to dying and had the car kncoked me over, it would have pushed me over the edge of the bay and off a 2ft drop and landed ontop of me.
 
ST4 said:
I nearly ran myself over. I parked my car in a parking bay at a relatives house, didn't park it too well but couldn't be bothered to start it up, so decided to push it in so openned the door, released the parking brake, popped it into N and pushed it back. Problem was there was a slight gradient so it rolled away, so I ran round to the back of the car to stop it and it nearly knocked me down, (2 tons of metal going 2mph ain't stopping on my weedy arms. Thankfully I left the drivers door open so I dived accross and put my hand on the foot brake.

Closest I came to dying and had the car kncoked me over, it would have pushed me over the edge of the bay and off a 2ft drop and landed ontop of me.
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Considering all things, that's really funny.
 
ST4 said:
I nearly ran myself over. I parked my car in a parking bay at a relatives house, didn't park it too well but couldn't be bothered to start it up, so decided to push it in so openned the door, released the parking brake, popped it into N and pushed it back. Problem was there was a slight gradient so it rolled away, so I ran round to the back of the car to stop it and it nearly knocked me down, (2 tons of metal going 2mph ain't stopping on my weedy arms. Thankfully I left the drivers door open so I dived accross and put my hand on the foot brake.

Closest I came to dying and had the car kncoked me over, it would have pushed me over the edge of the bay and off a 2ft drop and landed ontop of me.
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Up until that paragraph I was laughing! The car landing on you is definitely a more eek situation...

So question is, sod your speeding do you park better now? :D


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ST4 said:
There wasn't anything coming the other way, there are strong barriers and it wasn't dark. The conditions were as good as they can be.

Dibble often drive at these speeds, can they truthfully answer yes to your questions in bold...
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so you were driving like this the day time :eek: thats even more iresponsible than I thought, I thought from your original account it was during the wee small hours - oh and how can you know there wasnt anything coming the other way ( I appreciate you can know it with hindsight - what i'm asking is how you knew at the time) - if they were doing 70 and you were doing 138 thats over 200mph closure - it wouldnt take long for something to appear and close at those speeds.

oh and dibble drive at these speeds for a reason - you don't have a good reason afaik, you also don't have lights and a siren
 
big soft moose said:
so you were driving like this the day time :eek: thats even more iresponsible than I thought, I thought from your original account it was during the wee small hours - oh and how can you know there wasnt anything coming the other way ( I appreciate you can know it with hindsight - what i'm asking is how you knew at the time) - if they were doing 70 and you were doing 138 thats over 200mph closure - it wouldnt take long for something to appear and close at those speeds.

oh and dibble drive at these speeds for a reason - you don't have a good reason afaik, you also don't have lights and a siren
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930pm lateJune

Ps. Does sirens and lights mean dibble are immune from blow outs/oil patches etc
 
ST4 said:
930pm lateJune

Ps. Does sirens and lights mean dibble are immune from blow outs/oil patches etc
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No....no more than you are in your "perfect conditions". :sneaky: :p
 
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big soft moose said:
but equally you might - and when a deer runs out in front of you, or you hit a patch of oil, or debris in the road, or you suffer a blow out (fairly likely if your tires arent rated for that sort of speed and heat) or you find a hidden dip with a bloke in a citroen AX pootling along at 70... the time you have to react if you are going at twice the legal limit is shorter and your stopping distance longer, so its not going to be true to say that its just as safe to be at 138

(incidentally you did well to get you AX up to 70 - mine used to shake and vibrate like buggery at anything over about 55 :LOL: )
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If the tyres aren't rated for the speed, the car shouldn't even be on the road, end of.
As for a Citroen AX, I had the displeasure of driving a year old version as a courtesy car back in 1997, whilst my own car was being repaired. Whilst the thing was more basic than the 1978 Fiesta 950 base model, I used to have it took an age to get up to around town speeds let alone motorway and I had to drive it along the M25 and M1 to Silverstone. Horrid cars.
 
ST4 said:
930pm lateJune

Ps. Does sirens and lights mean dibble are immune from blow outs/oil patches etc
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No but their cars are better maintained and they are allowed to drive at those speeds and will have likely be trained on how to cope with such things if they should happen.
 
ST4 said:
So in other words, they can pose danger at high speed, blues and twos and all that...
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They can but as they have blues and twos they are not as much of a danger as yourself as they are giving a clear and distinct warning that other road users need to beware and be prepared to take evasive action to give them a clear path.
 
nilagin said:
They can but as they have blues and twos they are not as much of a danger as yourself as they are giving a clear and distinct warning that other road users need to beware and be prepared to take evasive action to give them a clear path.
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What if there are no other road users present, how does this make them pursuing me at a ton plus more safe. There was no pursuit, I co-operate with dibble
 
ST4 said:
So in other words, they can pose danger at high speed, blues and twos and all that...
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Of course, never said they couldn't.
Someone else's life could be saved by their use of speed though; possibly many "someone's".
(Unless they're just chasing some twonk doing 138mph :D:D)
 
viv1969 said:
Of course, never said they couldn't.
Someone else's life could be saved by their use of speed though; possibly many "someone's".
(Unless they're just chasing some twonk doing 138mph :D:D)
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If they stopped me from my vile and life endangering speed, perhaps they saved me from a quick but painful death.

Going totally on your logic :p
 
Whats more dangerous,75mph on a busy wet motorway weaving in and out of lanes or 138mph on a clear empty dry one?
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It matters not which is the greater of 2 evils. But to help you, doing 138 on an empty motorway isn't as 'safe' as you are trying to get people to admit to. The armco wont hold the bits of you on your side of the motorway. So unless you can guarantee the other side is empty too, which with you doing 138, and the cars coming the other way at 75 ish, makes it a very big gamble. Of course your bits crossing onto the other side combined with the forward speed of cars going the other equals a great deal of kinetic energy, none of which I want to be on the reception end of.
Of course it would be unlike you to think that through wouldn't it?
Soto be pedantic as well, OK, so you loose it and end up meeting your maker on a empty motorway and kill yourself. Is that going to harm others? Well, try picking up the bits of a fatal. What about the people you inconvenience while the mess you make is cleared up. The cost,? Oh didn't think that one through either did you, 3 years ago, they were quoting the cost of a fatal at £1million, I'd rather my taxes went on something worthwhile, not to pay for you trying to prove you are an idiot, you don't need to do that by driving at 138, you prove that conclusively so often already.
 
Bernie174 said:
It matters not which is the greater of 2 evils. But to help you, doing 138 on an empty motorway isn't as 'safe' as you are trying to get people to admit to. The armco wont hold the bits of you on your side of the motorway. So unless you can guarantee the other side is empty too, which with you doing 138, and the cars coming the other way at 75 ish, makes it a very big gamble. Of course your bits crossing onto the other side combined with the forward speed of cars going the other equals a great deal of kinetic energy, none of which I want to be on the reception end of.
Of course it would be unlike you to think that through wouldn't it?
Soto be pedantic as well, OK, so you loose it and end up meeting your maker on a empty motorway and kill yourself. Is that going to harm others? Well, try picking up the bits of a fatal. What about the people you inconvenience while the mess you make is cleared up. The cost,? Oh didn't think that one through either did you, 3 years ago, they were quoting the cost of a fatal at £1million, I'd rather my taxes went on something worthwhile, not to pay for you trying to prove you are an idiot, you don't need to do that by driving at 138, you prove that conclusively so often already.
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There wasn't anything oncoming, very quiet.

If you crash at 70 and die, there's still the clean up cost and death. Whats the difference? You cannot be any more dead than dead

I'd also like you to address my question. No-one has so far.
 
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PaulF said:
Not going to argue, guess we'll agree to disagree :cool:
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Sorry thought we were discussing. I was also basing it on experience of big bikes and running cameras, only mine used to be a bullet camera inside my helmet recording to an external device.

However, if we knew the road, knew the distance between the roundabouts (google maps), did a bit of maths...then the average speed especially on some of those stretches would give a very good idea. Lets just say footage like that in the past has curtailed many peoples road usage.
 
ST4 said:
If they stopped me from my vile and life endangering speed, perhaps they saved me from a quick but painful death.

Going totally on your logic :p
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Damn them!

*Falls to knees*

Damn them all to hell!!!!! :lol: :lol:
 
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ST4 said:
There wasn't anything oncoming, very quiet.

If you crash at 70 and die, there's still the clean up cost and death. Whats the difference? You cannot be any more dead than dead

I'd also like you to address my question. No-one has so far.
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6-8 hours of the road closed whilst the police investigate fully, some poor copper telling the family.?

I've been at a fatal, one of the first on scene. Driver with broken legs, arterial bleed and me applying pressure whilst he screamed and sobbed with trapped legs. Passenger dead thrown through the rear window. Really not nice. Gave me nightmares for quite a while.
 
Well I've just almost had a serious accident doing about 15mph. Turned into my road and some stupid woman yakking on a mobile
phone whilst running, ran straight out into the road in front of me, almost fell over when I blasted the horn, she hadn't even looked !!

Perhaps it's not just drivers that should be banned from using mobile phones
 
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Byker28i said:
6-8 hours of the road closed whilst the police investigate fully, some poor copper telling the family.?

I've been at a fatal, one of the first on scene. Driver with broken legs, arterial bleed and me applying pressure whilst he screamed and sobbed with trapped legs. Passenger dead thrown through the rear window. Really not nice. Gave me nightmares for quite a while.
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If you crash at 70, you die, you crash at 138mph, you die. I struggle how thats easier on the emergency services or family of the deceased.
 
ST4 said:
If you crash at 70, you die, you crash at 138mph, you die. I struggle how thats easier on the emergency services or family of the deceased.
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You have more of a chance of surviving a crash at 70 mph than 138mph, plus at 138mph, the debris will be more widespread and more likely to effect other road users possibly causing further injury or death to innocent parties.
 
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