Englands fastest speeders

TopBanana said:
I think it's because probably the majority of the population, when refering to 'speeding', are talking about going considerably faster than other road users. My experience is that most people are fairly happy to drive on the motorway at 75 and although they'd admit that this is above the legal limit they'd only see the people overtaking them as the ones who are speeding. This skews the discussions and makes it look like the 90% we're seeing on this forum.
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to be honest even the police don't seem that bothered about 75 in a 70 (the acpo guideline is 10% plus 1 which would mean 78)

A few years back i was stopped while doing 80mph indicated on the A5D (this was in my ford Ka where the speedo always read high so it was probably more like 75 actual) and the conversation went like this

me : "oh sorry constable was i going a bit fast"

him: " this isnt about the speed, son, did you know your fog light is on ? "

Me: "oops, no I didnt, sorry won't happen again * turns it off*

him: fair enough , drive safely *leaves*
 
ST4 said:
Same people different day come put with the same tired stuff.

What it really is as I've not lobbed myself off the Erskine bridge in utter disgust and shame for driving as fast as my car would go on a quiet well sited motorway in good repair with a deer fence btw, the speed kills lot have (t)rolled out their grandiose views.
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No ones telling you to hang yourself over the incident.
But stop spouting the quiet, well sighted bull. That is not a reason to condone travelling at twice the limit. But everytime you come out with it reinforces the fact that you deemed it to be acceptable.
 
big soft moose said:
where apart from on a track ?

Anywhere on a public highway you can't predict what might happen in front of you .. even on the M73 in the early hours
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Police drivers regularly do for familiarisation. (see PC Mark Milton - 159mph on the M54) Even in training officers regularly exceed the speed limit whilst negotiating traffic.
Track driving was suggested but discounted due to the need to train in real situations.
 
big soft moose said:
to be honest even the police don't seem that bothered about 75 in a 70 (the acpo guideline is 10% plus 1 which would mean 78)

A few years back i was stopped while doing 80mph indicated on the A5D (this was in my ford Ka where the speedo always read high so it was probably more like 75 actual) and the conversation went like this

me : "oh sorry constable was i going a bit fast"

him: " this isnt about the speed, son, did you know your fog light is on ? "

Me: "oops, no I didnt, sorry won't happen again * turns it off*

him: fair enough , drive safely *leaves*
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Where was this, Mississippi?
Was he wearing mirrorred sunglasses with the mirror on the inside and chewing hay?
:ROFLMAO:
 
stupar said:
No ones telling you to hang yourself over the incident.
But stop spouting the quiet, well sighted bull. That is not a reason to condone travelling at twice the limit. But everytime you come out with it reinforces the fact that you deemed it to be acceptable.
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that

If it were me i'd be taking the " I drove like a prat, I regret it, it won't happen again" line, and then not mentioning it - instead of dragging it up in every speed related thread and going on at length about how it was safe really and you were right and the "dibble" were wrong etc .. that just reinforces the idea that you think it is fine to drive at that sort of speed.
 
big soft moose said:
The general point i was making ...its the speeding and then crying about the coonsequences/ not taking responsibility for you actions / whining about why the police caught you in the first place
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And there was me thinking it was penis size

big soft moose said:
its because they have incredibly small peni I expect - those of us who are confident in our masculinity don't need to drive like that in order to boost our ego
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Byker28i said:
Police drivers regularly do for familiarisation. (see PC Mark Milton - 159mph on the M54) Even in training officers regularly exceed the speed limit whilst negotiating traffic.
Track driving was suggested but discounted due to the need to train in real situations.
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yeah but thats trained police officers, its somewhat different (for one thing the general public don't have blue lights and sirens to warn everyone to get out of their way) - although that said I wouldn't condone PC Milton's speed run... if i was his manager he'd be in for a serious talking to
 
Byker28i said:
And there was me thinking it was penis size
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in some cases -the penis size may be a cause , both of the need to drive like that to reinforce their masculinity , and of the not being able to take the consequences like a man.
 
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stupar said:
No ones telling you to hang yourself over the incident.
But stop spouting the quiet, well sighted bull. That is not a reason to condone travelling at twice the limit. But everytime you come out with it reinforces the fact that you deemed it to be acceptable.
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Speed is nothing without context. It's not bull, but facts and because of the facts it means my speed posed a lot less danger that it would have. Accept it. To not accept it is just willful belligerence.
 
ST4 said:
Speed is nothing without context. It's not bull, but facts and because of the facts it means my speed posed a lot less danger that it would have. Accept it. To not accept it is just willful belligerence.
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Context or not the only FACT here is you were twice the limit and deem it acceptable.
 
ST4 said:
Sorry, not actually twice...I'd have to be going 140mph. I was doing 138mph.
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And the Friday afternoon award for outstanding pedantry goes to......... :lol:
 
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stupar said:
Context or not the only FACT here is you were twice the limit and deem it acceptable.
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and that is why you get the hassle about it - because its never acceptable (in many peoples eyes) to be that far over the limit

if you said I made a horrible error of judgement, ive learnt my lesson and it won't happen again , everyone would have forgotten about it - but instead its pretty clear that as soon as your ban is over we and outr families will again be sharing the roads with a (yet another) person who thinks that twice the legal limit is okay
 
big soft moose said:
in some cases -the penis size may be a cause , both of the need to drive like that to reinforce their masculinity , and of the not being able to take the consequences like a man.
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Actually speed is part of the preprogrammed human nature to take calculated risks and the adrenalin rush. I still maintain speed (in the right place) is the best high going. Sex doesn't come into it, in fact if you look at the stats for speeding convictions you'd be very surprised by the current trend towards young, female drivers.

It's been the last decade or so that the police have targeted speeding and applied the same moral responsibility issues to it as drink driving (lets not get into the fund raising issues).
As such it's now seen as much less acceptable than say 20-30 years ago and penalties have increased accordingly.

Cars today aren't really any faster than they were 30 years ago if we look at 0-60 times for the average owned car, but they are more efficient, safer etc.
 
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big soft moose said:
and that is why you get the hassle about it - because its never acceptable (in many peoples eyes) to be that far over the limit

if you said I made a horrible error of judgement, ive learnt my lesson and it won't happen again , everyone would have forgotten about it - but instead its pretty clear that as soon as your ban is over we and outr families will again be sharing the roads with a (yet another) person who thinks that twice the legal limit is okay
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I've stated many times I won't be driving at high speeds again. But at the same time, the conditions need stated, otherwise you just have a number and not a circumstance. Its why, for a DD charge, I never saw jail as the Sherriff recognized a lack of aggravation in the offence. That lack of aggrivation led to a ban and fine, nothing more which is nothing for DD.

I worry about those who don't wish to see that conditions form a vital part of the offence, as its key to assessing how severe the danger possed by the speed is. You tend to find, in my experience of people who say 100mph is dangerous because it is, that they are the least mindful to traffic, weather and road conditions and often use legal speeds inappropriately and drive too fast in foggy and icey conditions. Just 1st hand experience. Another was an old boss who thought my 96mph in a quiet 70 conviction was the worse thing going, only the next day to be overtaken by her in a 40mph DCW in school time. I was going 35mph, her well above 50. I asked her about this and she denied it saying that area is a 70. Must have missed every 40mph repeater going...later she stacked her car in the ice...LOL
 
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Byker28i said:
Actually speed is part of the preprogrammed human nature to take calculated risks and the adrenalin rush. I still maintain speed (in the right place) is the best high going..
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so do it on a track, or in a rally

the public road network isnt the place for people taking unecessary risks as they seek an adrenaline high. And all sorts of things are part of human nature - it doesnt follow that we don't have the maturity of judgement to resist doing them in unacceptable scenarios (Human nature would suggest that if I want a car like yours I should kill you and take it... civilised mores would suggest that that would be unacceptable)
 
big soft moose said:
and that is why you get the hassle about it - because its never acceptable (in many peoples eyes) to be that far over the limit

if you said I made a horrible error of judgement, ive learnt my lesson and it won't happen again , everyone would have forgotten about it - but instead its pretty clear that as soon as your ban is over we and outr families will again be sharing the roads with a (yet another) person who thinks that twice the legal limit is okay
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I think there's a touch of bravado going on. I was banned at 21 and it does make you a much more careful and thoughtful driver afterwards as you realise your record pops up for the coppers

For the record I was banned for drunk in charge of a motor vehicle - 85 when the limit was 80 alcohol in breath. I was jump starting a friends car with a flat battery whilst slightly over the limit. The car didn't move, I had no intention of driving as it was parked outside a friends house I was staying at and two coppers offered to help push start the car but we jumped it instead. After I'd gone back into the house, the coppers knocked and breathalysed me.
 
ST4 said:
Sorry, not actually twice...I'd have to be going 140mph. I was doing 138mph. I'm giving some mitigation (or lack of aggrivation) to the speed and why, for a DD charge, the sentence was lienient.
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Lets not get pedantic!
 
So you are happy to risk your own life for a cheap thrill - nice!
 
stupar said:
So you are happy to risk your own life for a cheap thrill - nice!
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I asked what was more dangerous: Whats more dangerous,75mph on a busy wet motorway weaving in and out of lanes or 138mph on a clear empty dry on. One risks the driver (no passangers) the other risks driver plus other road users.

Have you come up with a conclusion as to which is more dangerous in terms not only of chance of causing a collision, but the consequeces of such a collision and the number of people affected.

My life is mine to risk be it hill walking, falling asleep in the bath, bunjee jumping, roofing my house, taking pictures at the sea whilst stood on slippy rocks etc
 
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stupar said:
So you are happy to risk your own life for a cheap thrill - nice!
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to be fair when i was younger and didnt have responsibilities i was willing to risk my life for an adrenalin/endophin fix - I used to free climb (which is far scarier than anything you can do behind the wheel) plus i base jumped a few times

to be honest I don't have a problem with someone who wants to risk it all behind the wheel ... but do it somewhere where you are only risking your own life (which doesnt mean a deserted motorway late at night- there could still be trafic round the next bend/dip etc) ie in a rally or on a track. I do have a problem with someone recklessly risking the lives of other people in pursuit of a cheap thrill
 
ST4 said:
I asked what was more dangerous:

And I said they are equally dangerous given the definition of the term dangerous - both have the ability to cause harm.

My life is mine to risk be it hill walking, falling asleep in the bath, bunjee jumping, roofing my house, taking pictures at the sea whilst stood on slippy rocks etc

The difference is though that those examples are law abiding - speeding at 2 MPH less than twice the limit isnt!
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big soft moose said:
to be honest I don't have a problem with someone who wants to risk it all behind the wheel ... but do it somewhere where you are only risking your own life (which doesnt mean a deserted motorway late at night- there could still be trafic round the next bend/dip etc) ie in a rally or on a track. I do have a problem with someone recklessly risking the lives of other people in pursuit of a cheap thrill
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Shush moose - you were winning but that high horse is getting a little too high.
Motorways are engineered not to have unsightly dips and bends ;)
 
Byker28i said:
Shush moose - you were winning but that high horse is getting a little too high.
Motorways are engineered not to have unsightly dips and bends ;)
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Plus the one I was on, you could see in a distance you could stop and accelerate the car back up to 138mph. A fact, not lost on the Sherriff. Facts eh...they hurt the preconceived ideas...
 
Byker28i said:
Shush moose - you were winning but that high horse is getting a little too high.
Motorways are engineered not to have unsightly dips and bends ;)
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really so you havent driven over Shap summit on the M6 then , where you can see b****r all as you approach the blind rise , or the sharp S just north of kendal , or the substantial bend in the M74 just south of crawford - and thats not taking into account the multiple slip roads thsat could lead to traffic merging in front of you etc

also motorways are mostly designed (with one or two notable exceptions) to have reasonable lines of sight for those traveling at or arround the speed limit - they are not designed with 138mph speed runs in mind.
 
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PaulF said:
Just to clarify as I haven't seen anyone point it out yet, the speedo on that bike is kph not mph..
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Sorry but that is MPH, not KPH, as proven by the speed behind some of the vehicles and the rate the bike acelerates. When it touches 167 on the speedo the bike is redlining in top gear. And on a big bike, that is the rate you can find yourself doing illegal speeds.

Also the comments say
R1 racing a Porsche on some very twisty roads reaching speeds of 170 mph.
 
big soft moose said:
really so you havent driven over Shap summit on the M6 then , where you can see b****r all as you approach the blind rise

also motorways are mostly designed (with one or two notable exceptions) to have reasonable lines of sight for those traveling at or arround the speed limit - they are not designed with 138mph speed runs in mind.
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I wasn't going 138mph on Shap. IIRC, I read they were engineered for c.120mph driving.
 
ST4 said:
I recall in germany following at a distance an Audi A8 TDi, we were going about 130mph. I got ahead of it getting into Munich, and it was a well groomed older woman driving it. And driving it well.
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That doesn't surprise me, plenty of women like cars/speed



Sent from The Moon.....
 
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