Englands fastest speeders

[big soft moose]

its because they have incredibly small peni I expect - those of us who are confident in our masculinity don't need to drive like that in order to boost our ego

 

[Cobra]

so you think its okay to overtake in to head on traffic forcing other drivers to swerve on to the shoulder ??? reckless yes , brave to the point of idiocy possibly , but skilled nuh huh - a skilled driver would know he couldn't get passed safely and wait for a clear road , not rely on luck and the skill of other drivers to miss him

We all have our limits
I'm glad you raised the "skill" v reckless" point.

I've been run off the road twice, by a police vehicle with blues and two,
when he was obviously late for his shift change
Going down the chippy. On some call out or another.

I will always get out of the way of any emergency vehicle, as soon as its humanly possible,
however,
I had nowhere to go, to get out of their way, if I'd stopped it would have been impossible for the car to get passed,
due to the oncoming traffic, so I continued at the speed limit,
looking for a pull off the road, or a wider part so I could tuck in to let the car pass.
Instead of waiting 2 or 3 secs, he came around me in the face of on coming traffic and "pushed me onto a high verge"
In a classic carve up manoeuvre , the stuff that road rage is made of.

The second time, again a "country road" single carriageway, normal rush hour traffic,
The on-coming blues and two's just overtook a line of cars into the face of on coming traffic.
the road, by no stretch of the imagination was wide enough for 3 cars.
A bike would have been hard pushed to make that manoeuvre.
A very very close head on, and again I found myself driving off road, on a soft verge.
In a car that wasn't designed for the purpose.

The best of the best stick their lights on and pray that by some magic, the rest of us
disappear.
I will grant you that not all blues and two's are a danger to other road users.
By the same token, not all other drivers that drive at speed are as inconsiderate.

 

[MWHCVT]

Yep. Speed never killed anyone. It's the sudden stop that makes things nasty! So wish I had a pic of the Rapide arse end on the Fosse way roundabout with some erm "dents"

Oh I didn't realise that was the fosse island, I thought you mean the M45/A45 island where the AM got binned

 

[big soft moose]

liveleak.com/view?i=b2f_1374272723

anyone who thinks driving or riding like a complete cock is cool or excuseable ought to watch the video in this article ( the video itself is NSFW on account of the fatal crash at the end which is why ive linked it rather than embedded)

edit: could a mod break this to a link please - the forum keeps automatically turning it into an embed when I post the link - in the mean time don't watch the last 15 secs if you are of a sensitive disposition (its not graphic or anything - but a guy does die)

170mph on the A30 in cornwall and then one of the riders pushes his luck a little bit too far - the one who made the video survived and was given a 51 week suspended sentence and a 3 year ban - he'll also have to live with the knowledge that road racing with him led directly to his mate's death.

 

[jakeblu]

I've just watched that video and, allowing for the camera distortion on a 35 ft wide road, I didn't see the Porsche driver get his lines or positioning very wrong at all! As I said earlier, I've known friends who could really make a car dance for them and while that bit of driving was imprudent - certainly since it was being filmed, number plate and all - it wasn't unskilled; I didn't see him have to get out of any of his overtakes.

If you thought that there was nothing wrong with that driving then your credibility is out if the window Jonathan. Must question your judgement about your mates driving too. It's the oncoming drivers who prevented the accident not the skill of the Porsche driver. Lunatic

 

[Bernie174]

Jonathan

I am staggered you think that the Porsche driver made no mistakes. Worse still, your claim that it's not possible to gauge the drivers speed. Look at the bikes speedo, its clear reasonably often and the speeds are in excess of 100, never mind 70! Obviously you didn't view the video carefully enough!

That driving, by both the bike and car is without doubt dangerous, and the driver is not skilled in any way shape or form. His driving is poor, and evidence of what I said a while ago, any fool can drive fast. It takes skill and ability to do it safely.
Again the point has to be made, that some people, obviously you think that sort of driving is safe. Anyone that holds that opinion is demonstrating that their judgment of safe is seriously flawed.

 

[boliston]

Wow that is one crazy biker on the A30 - pulling out to overtake another vehicle that is already overtaking on a single carriageway road is pretty daft!

 

[Yves Geza]

If you thought that there was nothing wrong with that driving then your credibility is out if the window Jonathan. Must question your judgement about your mates driving too. It's the oncoming drivers who prevented the accident not the skill of the Porsche driver. Lunatic

I might have expected you to dismiss my credibility when I said that I had never seen any highly trained Police driver drive with any ability, but I have, over the years, seen several hardly in control of their vehicles as they jerked the car around while playing Starsky and Hutch using their training in their professional capacity.

Or when I described my naive optimism, that although most driving standards are appallingly bad, most people try to do the best they can and most impacts could still be defined as accidental rather than culpable.

I certainly thought my credibility would be shot when I admitted to the very un-British trait of not being afraid to be overtaken by genuinely faster vehicles and being aware that they might exist. Sometimes they're dangerous but not necessarily and sometimes they're lunatics too ... but that's not the groupthink of the rest of this forum of hugely skilled and capable 1%ers! Admittedly when I was younger and covered ground faster, my reaction at being passed was usually 'that was bloody dangerous! It was so dangerous, I had already got out of that situation' although occasionally it was 'well done, you deserved that!'

I didn't think my credibility would be shot when I watched a video not knowing what I was going to see, but in fact saw a red Porsche whose driver was showing far more control than I had expected to see - both of the car and of the traffic situation around him. There was one risky looking jump through a closing gap, but in the driver's defence all his other moves looked consistant and accurate and showed signs of having been considered by him.

Semantically, by the way, it's always the oncoming drivers who prevent all head on collisions in the same semantic way that speed is always a factor in all impacts - by definition two objects arrived at the same place at the same time with a colliding velocity!

Jonathan

I am staggered you think that the Porsche driver made no mistakes. Worse still, your claim that it's not possible to gauge the drivers speed. Look at the bikes speedo, its clear reasonably often and the speeds are in excess of 100, never mind 70! Obviously you didn't view the video carefully enough!

That driving, by both the bike and car is without doubt dangerous, and the driver is not skilled in any way shape or form. His driving is poor, and evidence of what I said a while ago, any fool can drive fast. It takes skill and ability to do it safely.
Again the point has to be made, that some people, obviously you think that sort of driving is safe. Anyone that holds that opinion is demonstrating that their judgment of safe is seriously flawed.

I watched the video through again, looking at the little speedo next to the rev counter which I hadn't really noticed the first time I watched the film, for I had been watching the red blob of the car. The speeds were what I had expected, in many places slightly slower. The question I posted was actually asking your ability to gauge speed from that video.

Perhaps if you could read my post again with equal care and accuracy, you would be able to gauge that my words to describe what I saw were 'imprudent' [it's a more patrician, less plebian way of saying 'risky'] and 'not unskilled'. I didn't comment on either the legality of the numbers involved nor the outcome of the potential accident that didn't happen

 

[Byker28i]

Every time you post, Bernie, I'm afraid you prove my point to my satisfaction. I watched the video quite carefully and stand by what I said - the driver of the Porsche was not unskilled and I did not see him make any mistakes! What speed was he doing by the way? Can you calculate accurately from that video? I'll agree it was considerably in excess of 70mph.

Sorry chap I disagree. The bit at 1:50ish where he comes off the roundabout and undertakes the car in the outside lane was too close with the gap reducing all the time
View attachment 13219

Before that you can clearly see the bike touches 155, equalling the speed of the porsche.

The long stretch after that with the overtakes in the middle of the road shows the bike speedo around 145, leading to overtaking around a bend at around the 3 min point at the same speeds. I wouldn't like to assume that other drivers would notice them coming and move over, although a lot do hug the inside to give them room.

The bike wheelie at around 3:30 wasn't out of control and landed ok, although isn't seen that way by police officers.

At 3:47 with the bike speed indicated at 167, the porsche driver moves to the inside to allow the bike to pass if required. That is where all the crap accumulates and will be getting thrown up by the porsche, it's also not the best surface to be doing that speed on.
View attachment 13220

 

[stupar]

but in the driver's defence all his other moves looked consistant and accurate and showed signs of having been considered by him.

You cannot defend a driver who drives like a knob. His maneuvers were aggressive, dangerous and borderline suicidal. He displayed no roadcraft whatsoever so in my eyes it was anything but skill.

 

[jakeblu]

Semantically, by the way, it's always the oncoming drivers who prevent all head on collisions in the same semantic way that speed is always a factor in all impacts - by definition two objects arrived at the same place at the same time with a colliding velocity!

Semantics aside if the other drivers had not taken evasive action the Porsche driver would probably be dead.

 

[Bernie174]

Jonathan

Byker covers all of your points very eloquently. I'm sorry, but I'll say it again, if you assess that driving as safe, then it shows quite clearly the problem, an inability to use good judgment, and a complete lack of skill.

As for assessing the speed from that video, it's very easy, on 2 counts, one, the speedo, 2 experience.

If you were paying attention to what the red car was doing, that may explain your incorrect conclusions, what you should have been doing it looking everywhere, not just at that car, look at that alone tells you nothing.

As for your claims about Police drivers, well, we have all seen your assessment of the video and how flawed that is. I find it difficult to attach any credibility to your opinion of Police drivers.

 

[Byker28i]

Bernie, the thing with the police, in my experience, is they cover a multitude of skills and experience, in all aspects of their work, especially driving. Some officers have additional skills, training, whilst others don't. In this aspect they are like a snapshot of the population and as humans they experience the same depth of emotions that the rest of us have. As such you'll find errors, misjudgements and in some individuals the worse side of human nature, abuse, greed etc.

The difference being is that their job regularly puts them into different situations that many of us would experience infrequently. Yes we expect to hold those that police us in high esteem, but human nature being what it is, there are occasional flaws in the system. It's only to be expected when we elevate our peers to positions of authority and responsibility, however as a general rule, I've always found our system works and is the best of the countries I have travelled to.

 

[Bernie174]

I'd agree with you. I've lived in 3 Countries, including the UK, and visited a lot more. Even though one's Policing system was based on the UK's, it is obvious when you have dealings with those countries Policing it soon becomes apparent that the UK get a good deal.
Nothing is perfect though and it certainly isn't in the Policing world. Some of that is Government (reductions in size of police, and the belief that crime is going down), some is down to the public, (a naive assumption that Police can solve everything on their own), and some is the Police themselves (Over PC and a very badly broken promotion system).
One of those bits that doesn't work like it should is driving.
The use of basic drivers, a silly decision designed to save money, combined with a Government decision to reduce spending and to have arrival time targets is a very good example of that. There was supposed to be restrictions on Basics, no blue lights for example, but when you pressure police officers to get to a call within a time scale, you also pressure them to break the rules.
On the other hand, much of Policing is only going to keep 50% of the population happy. Dealing with mobile phones when driving for example. One half wants it dealt with heavily, one half thinks it's it's god given right to do what they like.
Obviously, unless you are very naive when you join you accept that.

 

[Cobra]

You know what I find funny?
Every time a thread with speed as a subjct its posted on TP,
Those that admit to speeding are treated like lepers by (at a guess) 90-odd %
of the posters.
This leads me to believe an almost majority of a cross section of the population NEVER speed,
or have ever committed a, however minor, traffic offence in their life.
So if this is true we don't need stealth vans static revenue collectors etc,
as the absolute minority would be so easy to spot and catch.

However, you only have to travel a major road early in the morning (or late at night) when the roads are
flowing very well, to realise that about 50% of the vehicles are doing more that the legal limit.
Maybe none of these are TP members, but at approaching 60,000 members I find that hard to believe.

 

[PaulF]

Jonathan

Byker covers all of your points very eloquently. I'm sorry, but I'll say it again, if you assess that driving as safe, then it shows quite clearly the problem, an inability to use good judgment, and a complete lack of skill.

As for assessing the speed from that video, it's very easy, on 2 counts, one, the speedo, 2 experience.

Just to clarify as I haven't seen anyone point it out yet, the speedo on that bike is kph not mph. Still ridiculous speed at times but not quite as quick as some are assuming. The standard of driving/riding on show is not particularly good either, and the video is from around 1999.

With regards to the current speed limit, leave as is. Most drivers go over it on the motorway by about 10mph and the police seem to let that go as an acceptable level (unless your driving like a dick as well). If the limit was raised then most would go over the new limit by 10mph or so again, at that point there would be more nasty accidents/incidents/collisions at around the ton mark, therefore more deaths so not really a good reason just to make your journey a few minutes shorter.

 

[ancient_mariner]

You know what I find funny?
Every time a thread with speed as a subjct its posted on TP,
Those that admit to speeding are treated like lepers by (at a guess) 90-odd %
of the posters.
This leads me to believe an almost majority of a cross section of the population NEVER speed,
or have ever committed a, however minor, traffic offence in their life.
So if this is true we don't need stealth vans static revenue collectors etc,
as the absolute minority would be so easy to spot and catch.

However, you only have to travel a major road early in the morning (or late at night) when the roads are
flowing very well, to realise that about 50% of the vehicles are doing more that the legal limit.
Maybe none of these are TP members, but at approaching 60,000 members I find that hard to believe.

I'd suggest that it is more likely they stay quiet over threads like this.

 

[MWHCVT]

You know what I find funny?
Every time a thread with speed as a subjct its posted on TP,
Those that admit to speeding are treated like lepers by (at a guess) 90-odd %
of the posters.
This leads me to believe an almost majority of a cross section of the population NEVER speed,
or have ever committed a, however minor, traffic offence in their life.
So if this is true we don't need stealth vans static revenue collectors etc,
as the absolute minority would be so easy to spot and catch.

However, you only have to travel a major road early in the morning (or late at night) when the roads are
flowing very well, to realise that about 50% of the vehicles are doing more that the legal limit.
Maybe none of these are TP members, but at approaching 60,000 members I find that hard to believe.

See I'm more than happy to admit I've been know to fracture the speed limit, I'd be lying if I didn't...I suspect what some members find grating is a clear lack of contrition on the part of a member and the speed they were caught at, plus the fact that other members seem to approve/condoning of such behaviour

 

[Gremlin]

Same here Matt, in the right conditions, as I' ve said previously I concentrate far better at a faster speed

 

[big soft moose]

Those that admit to speeding are treated like lepers by (at a guess) 90-odd %
of the posters.
.

That isnt really so though chris - nearly everybody speeds occasionally, and someone who admits to occasionally going slightly over the limit isn't treated like a leper at all - the reason the flying scotsman and one or two others get villified for it is that a) they are talking about masively excessive speed - like twice the national limit , and b) they don't seem to see anything wrong with their actions

THeres a masive difference between saying - "when I was young and foolish I drove like a complete prat (indeed i did, I once bought a VW Sirroco GT and rolled it and wrote it off the same day- no one else was involved and the experience taught me not to drive like a b*****d )" and saying " I got banned for doing 138Mph , but i shouldnt have been and it was very unfair and anyway it was my mate, well actually no it was me but it shouldnt have been a ban and anyway i wasnt hurting anyone and I shouldnt have been banned.. did i mention i shouldnt have been banned ..."

It isnt the speeding per se thats the issue - its the not seeing anything wrong with it

 

[Cobra]

I'd suggest that it is more likely they stay quiet over threads like this.

More than likely, but then we other contentious threads, religion politics Dog ownership (@ST4 Steve ) and more, when the pro / anti balance is more like 50/50
Just saying thats all

See I'm more than happy to admit I've been know to fracture the speed limit, I'd be lying if I didn't...I suspect what some members find grating is a clear lack of contrition on the part of a member and the speed they were caught at, plus the fact that other members seem to approve/condoning of such behaviour

I wasn't talking this thread specifically Matt, just "speeding" threads in general.
But this thread. Steve got caught, he's doing the time, whether or not his attitude has changed enough to curtail his high speed activities,
once he has his licence back, only he knows that.

 

[ancient_mariner]

For some - me for example - I'm quite happy to believe there are times and places where 138mph or more would be as safe as 70mph. In that circumstance I'd not expect someone prosecuted to feel contrition, even if they recognised they had broken the law and would refrain in future from doing so. Matt - you've clearly broken the law, yet aren't showing signs of remorse, so I presume you believed you were safe at the time and just happened to get away without being prosecuted.

 

[SFTPhotography]

See I'm more than happy to admit I've been know to fracture the speed limit, I'd be lying if I didn't...I suspect what some members find grating is a clear lack of contrition on the part of a member and the speed they were caught at, plus the fact that other members seem to approve/condoning of such behaviour

So you have sped, continue to speed yet lambast those caught speeding. I even saw you commenting on a mutual friends facebook and it wasn't condemning their speedy progress accross a route in the manner you've posted in this thread?

 

[Cobra]

That isnt really so though chris - nearly everybody speeds occasionally, and someone who admits to occasionally going slightly over the limit isn't treated like a leper at all -

As above, as I said to Matt, Pete.
I'm not talking about just this thread.
You look back at any thread involving speeding, stealth camera's and fines. etc.
Its always a case don't speed.

 

[SFTPhotography]

For some - me for example - I'm quite happy to believe there are times and places where 138mph or more would be as safe as 70mph. In that circumstance I'd not expect someone prosecuted to feel contrition, even if they recognised they had broken the law and would refrain in future from doing so. Matt - you've clearly broken the law, yet aren't showing signs of remorse, so I presume you believed you were safe at the time and just happened to get away without being prosecuted.

Thats my take on it. I won't do it again, but I don't regret doing it either. Actually I do, I was caught, if I slowed a bit earlier....

I pled guilty as that was the charge. No alternative charge was given and the PF wasn't in the pleading down mood.

 

[big soft moose]

I'm quite happy to believe there are times and places where 138mph or more would be as safe as 70mph..

where apart from on a track ?

Anywhere on a public highway you can't predict what might happen in front of you .. even on the M73 in the early hours

 

[SFTPhotography]

where apart from on a track ?

Anywhere on a public highway you can't predict what might happen in front of you .. even on the M73 in the early hours

Have you every driven in Germany? And don't give me more of them crash than us guff. It's not a blood bath....

 

[big soft moose]

As above, as I said to Matt, Pete.
I'm not talking about just this thread.
You look back at any thread involving speeding, stealth camera's and fines. etc.
Its always a case don't speed.

well yes but thats half the statement

Its "if you don't want to take the consequence,s don't speed"

If someone feels the need to break the law - whether its by doing 138mph in a 70, or 35 in a 30 or indeed by using a phone while driving, drinking a cup of tea , playing an ipad racing game (okay so that was spectacularly stupid and it wasnt anyone from here) or whatever , then that's their choice .... but don't expect sympathy when they get caught

and if they start a thread crying about how its so unfair that the nasty dibble punished them for utter bellendery behind the wheel then yes they are going to get vilified for their lack of contrition and responsibility for thir actions .. if they sart a thread telling us how they feel like a numpty (for for example crahing into a TR6 on a blind bend) and take the consequences like a man, then they probably won't

 

[ancient_mariner]

where apart from on a track ?

Anywhere on a public highway you can't predict what might happen in front of you .. even on the M73 in the early hours

There are plenty of bits of motorway when one might not see another vehicle at certain times of the day. I've been on the M40 at 5am (ironically in a Citroen AX at about 70) and there were several stretches where I didn't see another car for several minutes. Driving at speed will never be entirely safe, just like driving at all isn't entirely safe - we all take calculated risks from the moment we swing our legs over the side of the bed. For the record, I've never owned a vehicle that would do the speed talked about here, but there have been times when I've been in far less danger when travelling very quickly than I have in normal flow, boxed in with heavy traffic (there's a particular road heading south from Naples, really narrow with roadworks going on and everyone around me driving like lunatics! That DID make me nervous).

 

[ancient_mariner]

It's also interesting how the mood has gradually swung in the thread - I went back to read page 1.

 

[Byker28i]

You know what I find funny?
Every time a thread with speed as a subjct its posted on TP,
Those that admit to speeding are treated like lepers by (at a guess) 90-odd %
of the posters.

Time and place. For me, Speeding in residential areas is a no no, dual carriageways and motorways I'll keep up with the traffic which is generally 10mph faster than the limit.

Since this is a photo forum

 

[big soft moose]

There are plenty of bits of motorway when one might not see another vehicle at certain times of the day.

but equally you might - and when a deer runs out in front of you, or you hit a patch of oil, or debris in the road, or you suffer a blow out (fairly likely if your tires arent rated for that sort of speed and heat) or you find a hidden dip with a bloke in a citroen AX pootling along at 70... the time you have to react if you are going at twice the legal limit is shorter and your stopping distance longer, so its not going to be true to say that its just as safe to be at 138

(incidentally you did well to get you AX up to 70 - mine used to shake and vibrate like buggery at anything over about 55 )

 

[viv1969]

Agreed. Speed all you like....we've all done it to one degree or another; but don't start with the whining when caught doing so, or when someone else happens to receive a lesser punishment than you.

 

[Cobra]

well yes but thats half the statement

Its "if you don't want to take the consequence,s don't speed"

If we are talking about Steve, yes he admits it, and is doing the time.
But it was just a generalisation, the fact that speeding, (whether caught or not)
is so frowned upon on the open forum, by 90%+

And yet as above you only have to travel the major and and minor routes across the length and breadth
of the country, as I have done for many years, formally as a HGV I driver and latterly as operational support / site auditor / trainer for a major pest
control company,
to see the hypocritcalness (Is that even a word? ) of many of the posts.

Time and place. For me, Speeding in residential areas is a no no, dual carriageways and motorways I'll keep up with the traffic which is generally 10mph faster than the limit.

This is the point knowing when and where and driving to your abilities (if you are so inclined that is )

 

[big soft moose]

Time and place. For me, Speeding in residential areas is a no no,

The one time in my life that ive got a speeding ticket was for 34 in a 30 (past a police station which wasnt very bright on more than one level) at that time i used to drive like a bit of an arse (vis the sirroco incident mentioned above) but the ironic thing was the one time i got pulled was accident speeding... i'd just got a new mitsuibuishi L200 animal and i nudged the loud pedal a bit more than i should... I didnt bother arguing the toss though as i'm responsible for it whether it was accidental or deliberate , and i figured it was karma for times when i'd maybe driven like that deliberately but not been caught.

coming on top of the VW incident 3 points and 60 quid did make me think about my driving style though and since then for the last 15 years I have been a much more sedate driver , and scrupulously adhere to the limits in town - on the M/way like byker i'll usually keep up with the general flow which may be 75-80 indicted (so probably 70-75 actual) but it would be a cold day in hell that i went at 138 anywhere other than on a track (even if my car was capable of it, which tbh it probably isnt)

 

[viv1969]

to see the hypocritcalness (Is that even a word? ) of many of the posts.
)

Hypocrisy.

...........Carry on

 

[big soft moose]

If we are talking about Steve, yes he admits it, and is doing the time.
But it was just a generalisation, the fact that speeding, (whether caught or not)
is so frowned upon on the open forum, by 90%+

I was talking generally too ( although as you mention steve's case he may admit it , and tbh he hasnt got any choice but to do the time - but judging by his posts in this thread he doesnt seem very sorry he commited the offence, only sorry that he got caught)

The general point i was making though is that its not the speeding thats frowned on by 90% its the speeding and then crying about the coonsequences/ not taking responsibility for you actions / whining about why the police caught you in the first place

 

[MWHCVT]

So you have sped, continue to speed yet lambast those caught speeding. I even saw you commenting on a mutual friends facebook and it wasn't condemning their speedy progress accross a route in the manner you've posted in this thread?

Actually I can guarantee I've not broken a speed limit in getting on for 12 months, as to the mutual friends on Facebook if its the one I'm thinking of it was hardly condoning his speed but at the same time I'll admit I didn't lambast him either

 

[SFTPhotography]

It's also interesting how the mood has gradually swung in the thread - I went back to read page 1.

Same people different day come put with the same tired stuff.

What it really is as I've not lobbed myself off the Erskine bridge in utter disgust and shame for driving as fast as my car would go on a quiet well sited motorway in good repair with a deer fence btw, the speed kills lot have (t)rolled out their grandiose views.

 

[TopBanana]

If we are talking about Steve, yes he admits it, and is doing the time.
But it was just a generalisation, the fact that speeding, (whether caught or not)
is so frowned upon on the open forum, by 90%+

I think it's because probably the majority of the population, when refering to 'speeding', are talking about going considerably faster than other road users. My experience is that most people are fairly happy to drive on the motorway at 75 and although they'd admit that this is above the legal limit they'd only see the people overtaking them as the ones who are speeding. This skews the discussions and makes it look like the 90% we're seeing on this forum.