Englands fastest speeders

MWHCVT said:
I challenge you to refuse a ride in a nice ambo when it's three nice lady paramedics taking you to hospital :p :naughty:
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Fair point, well presented :D
 
Mikesphotaes said:
So what great logical reason is it based on then?
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Something to do with the estimated 1% increase in road deaths by raising the limit to 80, that's an average of 25 deaths a year taken over the last 5 year average. Not to mention the increase in fuel and the resultant pollution that causes
 
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Bernie174 said:
No, they don't, nor should they when 99% of drivers shouldn't be allowed on a pedal cycle. I'm sorry, but driver standards do not match ambition.
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Sorry, we'll have to agree to disagree. Yes the standard of driving in this country is terrible, but the average family car is so far ahead in terms of safety, breaking and suspension than it was even 20 years ago that motorway speed limits no longer suit the cars. I have passed my IAM on bike and car, and I still wouldn't want to drive my Dad's old Chevette of the 1980's.... I would like to see a compulsory advanced driving test in the UK though, specifically about higher speed driving, motorways and the cause of accidents. (Oh and frigging lane discipline !)
 
RedRobin said:
I like the roads in Germany. Coming back to English roads such as the M20 is such a drag - 70mph feels like 40mph.
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My son has just finished his posting in Germany apparently they hide their speed cameras in trees to catch the unsuspecting. I bet you think that would be a drag too ;)
 
Clearly you consider yourself, like me, as a member of the 1%
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I know I can drive fast, yes. Given that I was rained properly to do so. Almost no drivers other than those who have been in the Emergency Services have been in the UK.
In order to be safe to drive at high speed you need to be trained, in practice (and I am not now) and in a car that is safe to do so. The majority of drivers fail on at least 2 of those points.
 
Jelster said:
...the average family car is so far ahead in terms of safety, breaking and suspension than it was even 20 years ago that motorway speed limits no longer suit the cars.
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Really? My estate cruises very happily indeed at 70 and, indeed, returns the best fuel economy doing so.

I think there's only one thing the current speed limits don't suit - those behind the wheel who think they should be allowed to go faster.

They certainly don't hinder the cars.
 
Jelster said:
I don't think the chap on the A413 on that list was trying hard enough. 127 on that bit of road ? Seriously, that particular road is very wide, single carriageway and is of good tarmac. There's no pedestrian access either, so why the 40 & 50 mph limits ?

The speed limits in this country do not consider the modern motor vehicle, how well it handles, stops and of course, how powerful they are. Doing 110 on a motorway in a 40 year old saloon is one thing, in a modern family hatch it's quite another. Many of todays cars can easily cruise at 85mph - and do on the continent. Governments are just too scared to modernise the speed limits as it could lose them votes.
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I must be out of touch, I thought raising speed limits would be a vote gainer?

Have the pinkos taken over?
 
onomatopoeia said:
993? (or did they only make GT2 variants of that?) 996? 997?
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How the hell would I know? It was a hypothetical GT3 with hypothetical ceramic brakes! I've never owned any 911 newer than an early 3.2 Carrera!

Then again I'm lucky! I've never had to own any sort of Austin 7! :banana:

:p
 
Oh, I thought you actually owned one! Was surprised by the Austin 7 though, so that makes sense :p
 
ST4 said:
I must be out of touch, I thought raising speed limits would be a vote gainer?

Have the pinkos taken over?
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No I believe they're all alive and well, living in Scotland and trying to seize all the land by force ;)
 
Lynton said:
I am not so daft to admit to the max i have done on a uk road (in a car quite capable of more) , however at a mundane 70 on a motorway I am bored, if i choose to play on the audi/bmw lane (the right hand side one).. I find I am concenrating more on the road than the radio... i.e. 85ish makes you think more... and yes the car is capable of a lot more than that.
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Strangely I have to agree with Lynton, if I am stuck in traffic going slow then I lose concentration, at faster speeds I could tell every car on
the motorway and where they are.
I often wonder why the speed limits are applied, there seems to be a reason for them, and once they stop so does the congestion :thinking:
 
I think the answer is to abolish all speed limits but also ban safety belts and in their place place a very large spike in the centre of the steering wheel, this should encourage people to drive very, very carefully.
 
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Farmerjim said:
I think the answer is to abolish all speed limits but also ban safety belts and in their place place a very large spike in the centre of the steering wheel, this should encourage people to drive very, very carefully.
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Not an original thought though. It's been touted in risk analysis for many, many years
of which this is a good read (from 1996)
http://www.nimr.mrc.ac.uk/mill-hill-essays/risk
 
Farmerjim said:
I think the answer is to abolish all speed limits but also ban safety belts and in their place place a very large spike in the centre of the steering wheel, this should encourage people to drive very, very carefully.
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So, you get a blow out on a pothole, lose control despite being well within a sensible speed and hit a wall. The impact at 20mph would leave you sore with a seat belt, or dead with a spike.

Or, you don't care and drive at 90mph through a built up area as after all there are no speed limits and collect a few kiddies crossing without looking on the way. They barely slow you down as they go flying through the air. Still, you weren't speeding so any kind of prosecution is going to be problematical as the road has been deemed safe at any speed.

Or, someone on the other side of the road loses control for whatever reason and crosses the carriage way, hitting you head on, bringing your car to an immediate stop.

I'm going to say it's an appalling solution. It might encourage people to remove the spikes and uses them on whoever suggested the idea though.
 
Farmerjim said:
I think the answer is to abolish all speed limits but also ban safety belts and in their place place a very large spike in the centre of the steering wheel, this should encourage people to drive very, very carefully.
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No, you quoted it. Jezza C mentioned that idea years ago.
 
My copy of the the Highway Code states that I can drive at any speed I damn well please ... providing I don't get caught.
 
Lynton said:
No, you quoted it. Jezza C mentioned that idea years ago.
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Actually it was first mentioned back in the 50's or 60's when America were doing crash tests and started using crash test dummies.
 
I do feel that some areas have speed limits for no obvious reasons. I don't mind when there's a clear cut reason eg hazard.

As an example, my commute to work involves a single carriageway slightly winding country lane which then turns into a straight road for about two miles. It used to be all 60mph. Then they turned the straight road into a 40mph (passes through what is a essentially a residential area). Later the winding bit also became 40mph. Now the straight bit is 30mph.

The only reasons I can see it for being 30mph are some houses along the straight bit, and a crossroad junction early on in the straight road. This bit is apparently notorious for accidents because people pull out of the junctions without looking properly. Why the rest of the road has been limited, I've no idea. It is frustrating because you could quite easily do 60mph down the rest of the road - it is wide enough with enough visibility. The winding section I could understanding in winter/wet weather but on a hot dry day, you could easily go at 80mph I reckon without any problems,
 
I find that 70 is too slow in the van with a trailer attached so I would like to see the limit raised to 80 on motorways.
 
Gaz J said:
I find that 70 is too slow in the van with a trailer attached so I would like to see the limit raised to 80 on motorways.
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I'm assuming there is some degree of mockery going on in that post, given the fact that 70 is too fast for towing in the eyes of the law, and I'm sure there is some regulation on vans reducing the speed limit, but I cannot remember it off hand
 
Gaz J said:
I find that 70 is too slow in the van with a trailer attached so I would like to see the limit raised to 80 on motorways.
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You do know you're not allowed to do 70 in a van don't you?! (unless it's under 2 tonnes).

The limit is 60 with a trailer though, regardless of the van's weight


Steve.
 
Yes i do know. The 60 limit with a trailer applies to cars also. It was a tongue in cheek comment. Speed is not an issue in itself, its the inappropriate use of speed that is the problem. People get hung up on the posted speed limit and dont concentrate on the driving conditions.
 
Perhaps they get hung up on the posted speed limit because it's the law. Not liking it doesn't alter that, nor does it mean anyone is exempt just because they think they should be.
 
viv1969 said:
Perhaps they get hung up on the posted speed limit because it's the law. Not liking it doesn't alter that, nor does it mean anyone is exempt just because they think they should be.
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Being law has nothing to do with inappropriate speed. Sitting on the motorway in fog and doing 70 is breaking no law. The fact that the individual is stupid for driving at that speed should be.
 
Gaz J said:
Being law has nothing to do with inappropriate speed. Sitting on the motorway in fog and doing 70 is breaking no law. The fact that the individual is stupid for driving at that speed should be.
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Actually it would probably easily be classed as dangerous driving, or driving without due care
 
Gaz J said:
Being law has nothing to do with inappropriate speed. Sitting on the motorway in fog and doing 70 is breaking no law. The fact that the individual is stupid for driving at that speed should be.
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Fair enough. But I'm tired of people bleating about being punished for breaking the law. If they don't like it,fine...campaign against it.
 
MWHCVT said:
Actually it would probably easily be classed as dangerous driving, or driving without due care
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So youre going to charge every car on the motorway with dangerous driving. Good luck with that.
 
Gaz J said:
So youre going to charge every car on the motorway with dangerous driving. Good luck with that.
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Not the car, no...but certainly some of the drivers
 
ST4 said:
Who remembers the 85th percentile rule?
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a speed at or below which 85 percent of people drive at any given location under good weather and visibility conditions may be considered as the maximum safe speed for that location.
I assume, (but have no proof) that possibly that now needs to be re-evaluated.
 
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viv1969 said:
Fair enough. But I'm tired of people bleating about being punished for breaking the law. If they don't like it,fine...campaign against it.
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Well dont fall asleep driving coz thats against the law as well :whistle:
 
MWHCVT said:
Not the car, no...but certainly some of the drivers
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Just think of the speed ths cops would have to do to catch someone driving like that in fog. That would be dangerous.
 
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neil_g said:
except theyre trained for that risk. therefore not dangerous.

maybe.. .
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Or even allegedly ;)
"Everyone" like to think they are the best of the best,
at whatever they do.
Even the great Eric Bristow, reckons he was "slaughtered"
many times by a "pub player" ;)
 
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