England 4-0 Bulgaria - still want capello out?

joescrivens said:
really? I seem to remember us winning all but one of our wc qualifiers with gerrard and lampard playing together
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3 World Cups and 2 European championships with them together abject failure,and we all know from the events of last Summer that qualifiers are a means to an end not an end in itself
 
CaptainPenguin said:
3 World Cups and 2 European championships with them together abject failure,and we all know from the events of last Summer that qualifiers are a means to an end not an end in itself
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the terrible performance at the world cup wasnt because gerrard and lampard couldnt play together, it was just a poor team performance. the qualifiers are an means to an end but they showed in fact they could play together.
 
joescrivens said:
the terrible performance at the world cup wasnt because gerrard and lampard couldnt play together, it was just a poor team performance. the qualifiers are an means to an end but they showed in fact they could play together.
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Unfortunately the qualifiers don't really mean anything, it's the tournaments that count.
 
wisemen said:
Unfortunately the qualifiers don't really mean anything, it's the tournaments that count.
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Well if we played crap in the qualifiers, we wouldn't even get to the tournaments !!

Steve
 
As Nigel says, 3 WC and 2 Euros with Gerrard and Lampard in midfield has NOT worked. They are certainly both good enough I believe to make any national squad - including Spains, but together just doesnt work.

Sir Alf had the balls to leave Greaves out of the WC team when he recovered from injury as the team were playing well, and I rate Jimmy as one of our greatest strikers.

IF Capello does put Lampard, Terry and Rio straight back into the squad, then he is a weak manager. IF he leaves Johnson out then he really knows nothing... but IF he does keep to the same side then he will rise a little in my estimation.

We have an easy group with the hardest game out the way and 6 points. What we must do is to blood the youngsters so that when the Euros do come they are not in the same position as Hart was at this WC (naff all experience).

While Cole is imo one of the best LB in the world, I would like to see maybe Gibbs given a chance in an easy home game as if anything happens to Cole we have nothing. Lets see (injuries allowing) Walcott, Johnson, Milner, Jagielka & Bent given proper chances and not just 20 mins here and there.
 
cambsno said:
IF Capello does put Lampard, Terry and Rio straight back into the squad, then he is a weak manager. IF he leaves Johnson out then he really knows nothing... but IF he does keep to the same side then he will rise a little in my estimation.
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Disagree, if he puts them back and they play poorly as a result and he doesn't change it back -THEN he is a weak manager.

If he puts them back and the play well - then he is a good manager with two systems that he can use to effect depending on the opposition
 
Weak or not, he is going after 2012 Euros.
 
CaptainPenguin said:
Of course not but for better or worse I think the manager should be English
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surely then you would prefer mclaren again to capello since he is english? you said for better or worse

The point I am trying to make is that it is all well and good wanting for better or worse an englishman when you haven't got one, but if that englishman is incompetent like mclaren was then I think you would wonder.

It's only good having an englishman if he is equal to or better than any foreign manager. At the end of the day you want to see the team succeed as much as they could and when I cheer on the team I'm not cheering on capello or any manager, i'm cheering the team
 
As far as succeeding under Capello not sure what the World Cup was

But in wanting an English manager I just thing that international sport is the best that our country can produce against the best that other countries can produce so I dont want Capello or Andy Flower or any other foreign coach.
Now class that as the rantings of a Little Englander if you wish but thats the way I see international sport
 
CaptainPenguin said:
As far as succeeding under Capello not sure what the World Cup was

But in wanting an English manager I just thing that international sport is the best that our country can produce against the best that other countries can produce so I dont want Capello or Andy Flower or any other foreign coach.
Now class that as the rantings of a Little Englander if you wish but thats the way I see international sport
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at least we made it there under the last english manager we didn't even qualify.

I just have a problem with this whole umbrella term of having to have an english manager - if it were a case of

a. have an english manager but don't qualify
b. have a foriegn manager and at least qualify

I think I'd pick option b, you are saying you would pick option a - which I find strange
 
Capello has just opened his latest round of pay negotiations by saying that he is planning to retire.

From my point of view he should not even be in the job now
 
joescrivens said:
at least we made it there under the last english manager we didn't even qualify.

I just have a problem with this whole umbrella term of having to have an english manager - if it were a case of

a. have an english manager but don't qualify
b. have a foriegn manager and at least qualify

I think I'd pick option b, you are saying you would pick option a - which I find strange
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It is strange and totally illogical but I would take option A although I am old enough to remember the numpties at the FA turning down Cloughie twice so picking Mclaren was one of the less stupid things they have done,
 
CaptainPenguin said:
It is strange and totally illogical but I would take option A although I am old enough to remember the numpties at the FA turning down Cloughie twice so picking Mclaren was one of the less stupid things they have done,
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but whats more strange is that you said you prefered life under capello to mclaren - aren't you contradicting yourself?
 
I prefer it when England are winning which they have done more under Capello than Mclaren,until we got to South Africa,but I just dont like the regime under which we are doing it
 
CaptainPenguin said:
I prefer it when England are winning which they have done more under Capello than Mclaren,until we got to South Africa,but I just dont like the regime under which we are doing it
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this is where I struggle, you say you prefer when england are winning which they were under the foreign manager yet earlier you said you would rather have an english coach and not qualify than a foreign one and do.

You can't have it both ways, so which is it?

under capello and winning games or under english coach and losing games?
 
joescrivens said:
this is where I struggle, you say you prefer when england are winning which they were under the foreign manager yet earlier you said you would rather have an english coach and not qualify than a foreign one and do.

You can't have it both ways, so which is it?

under capello and winning games or under english coach and losing games?
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Ok lets take this slowly

I am happy when England are winning

I am happier if England are winning under an English Manager

I am delirious if we are winning under any manager who can finally put 2+2 together and work out that


GERARD IS BETTER IN THE CENTRE WITH A HOLDING MIDFIELDER
 
England have always had and always will have better results with a coach of the same nationality
 
mxfun said:
England have always had and always will have better results with a coach of the same nationality
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Really, want to go and check your stats then come back and point out what was wrong with this statement
 
CaptainPenguin said:
Ok lets take this slowly

I am happy when England are winning

I am happier if England are winning under an English Manager

I am delirious if we are winning under any manager who can finally put 2+2 together and work out that


GERARD IS BETTER IN THE CENTRE WITH A HOLDING MIDFIELDER
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You still haven't answered my question though.

You get to pick either losing with an english manager or winning with a foreign, which do you pick. From your earlier post it read you would rather lose with an English manager but then you said you preferred life under capello than mclaren so can you see why I am confused?
 
OH MY LORD

I just read this on the bbc

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8985545.stm

Capello confirmed he will quit after Euro 2012 and Redknapp is favourite to succeed the Italian, with Blackburn's Sam Allardyce another likely candidate.

Please no, please, please. Surely stuart pearce would be next, i'll take harry and I'd also take Hodgson but surely.... surely we don't need to scrape the barrel with big head?
 
I still have the bruises from playing against big Sam at primary school so to say I had been hacked by an England manger would look good on the CV but he really aint up to the job,I'm all for Harry
 
CaptainPenguin said:
I still have the bruises from playing against big Sam at primary school so to say I had been hacked by an England manger would look good on the CV but he really aint up to the job,I'm all for Harry
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was his head just as big then?
 
CaptainPenguin said:
I still have the bruises from playing against big Sam at primary school so to say I had been hacked by an England manger would look good on the CV but he really aint up to the job,I'm all for Harry
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I don't understand all this clamour for Harry Redknapp. I like him as a person but what has he ever done to warrant being England Manager ? One FA Cup in about 30 years of being a manager ? I just don't get it.
 
I'm really not a fan of Harry Redknapp (mainly because of his alleged questionable dealings between 06-08 that make me doubt his character) and would be pretty gutted if he ended up as England manager. He looks as though he's one second away from a heart attack and I'm pretty sure the pressure of a world cup would see the end of him! Sam Allardyce would surely make England live up to the German description of our game as "kick and rush". He's responsible for some of the most unattractive football in the premier league and I'd hate to see that spread to our national side and I also don't believe we'd ever see a trophy under him.

Roy Hodgson is the only serious contender remaining and I'd be happy to see him take the position. He did great things with fulham last year.

Interesting article here regarding the future manager of England.
 
To be fair to Sam, he has not had the money to spend on good players. Getting Bolton to finish as high as they did was a he'll of an achievement regardless of long ball. German teams have often played boring football but have been successful.
 
Yet another wonderful England performance.

Did their keeper have a save to make in the 1st hour?

Yes, we had a stonewall penalty turned down, but it wasnt the ref that cost us the game. Why Rooney lasted 90 mins I will never know, was useless - so much for Capello picking players on form. Most free kicks and corners were shocking... heres a thought, some guy called Beckham can put dead balls wherever he wants and could be worth a call???

To cap it off, SWP came on... he shouldn't even make the England disabled team!
 
I'd rather watch Millwall than that game again :|
 
dont know why you are surprised at a 0-0 result. a well organised team come and put 10 men behind the ball. these games only ever result in 0-0 or 1-0. yes their keeper made 3 saves in the last 10 minutes. hart on the other hand made not a single save. they literally had one chance the entire game - great strike that it was.

not sure the issue you have with swp, he won 3 free kicks by the penalty box in 10 minutes. all of which were wasted.

team picking wise i think rooney was a mistake, he's still off form, but young and johnson were spot on the whole game. also think gerrard put in some superb crosses but he played too deep.

not at all surprised by the result though, 3 wins from that team and they only ever came here to get a point. i knew it would be a draw i even had that down in my accumulator bet- which i lost by the way thanks to ireland drawing and albania losing.
 
SO why take off Young who was having a reasonable game, bar that dreadful dive? He was causing problems to their defence, although not a lot of end product.

Yes, they were well set up and organised, but unless we play teams like Germany, most 'lesser' teams will play like this. We should be good enough to break them down and even get their keeper to make a save in the 1st half!

Would Spain, Germany, Holland and the like be happy to settle for that?
 
Did Capello not say he would pick players on form and not reputation...

Ferdinand, Rooney - 2 players in great form aren't they!
 
cambsno said:
SO why take off Young who was having a reasonable game, bar that dreadful dive? He was causing problems to their defence, although not a lot of end product.

Yes, they were well set up and organised, but unless we play teams like Germany, most 'lesser' teams will play like this. We should be good enough to break them down and even get their keeper to make a save in the 1st half!

Would Spain, Germany, Holland and the like be happy to settle for that?
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Spain very nearly did have to settle for that last night. It was very nearly a 2-2 draw at Hampden Park. Utter tosh from England but if Scotland can get points against Czech rep and Lithuania at home then we stand as good a chance as anyone to qualify.

As for England. Well. :shrug:
 
cambsno said:
SO why take off Young who was having a reasonable game, bar that dreadful dive? He was causing problems to their defence, although not a lot of end product.

Yes, they were well set up and organised, but unless we play teams like Germany, most 'lesser' teams will play like this. We should be good enough to break them down and even get their keeper to make a save in the 1st half!

Would Spain, Germany, Holland and the like be happy to settle for that?
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Well I would assume that he had burned himself out, you can't spend a whole game running as much as he did and still have enough left for the last 10 minutes every game, bringing on fresh legs makes sense, and it was paying off too, like I said SWP was causing problems and won 3 free kicks in the time he was on, all in dangerous positions.

That last 10 minutes you saw practically nothing of Adam johnson - same reason I would assume - he'd burnt himself out. Had milner, walcott or lennon been on the bench I would have assumed he'd have subbed Johnson too for the same reason.

First you claimed their keeper made no saves in the last hour, which he did, 3 in the last 10 mins. Now you say he didn't make any in the first half - which he did. Gerrard, Cole and Rooney all had shots which were saved. Next you'll ignore this point and claim they should have been able to force a save in the 10 mins between the 25th and 35th minute :lol::lol:

Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a good result by any stretch nor an amazing performance but some of the reasons you are giving for the same conclusion make me wonder if you watched the game or just read the match report.

This quote sums it up perfectly from their coach "We had a plan to avoid defeat and we made the plan perfectly." Matches like this are going to happen and unless you convert a chance early they either end 0-0 or 1-0. Convert early and the team then have to come at you and the game can often then become a 3 or 4-0 result.

I mean look at Italy, two 0-0 draws in a row.

As for rooney and ferdinand, I think ferdinand didn't put a foot wrong but Rooney was still misfiring and I think this was definitely capello putting reputation and potential in front of form.
 
Yup, just about sums up all that is wrong with the way England play football, players 'burning' themselves out...

With a little more controlled possession, composure and thinking players like that needn't run themselves into the ground!

And that's why I thought the FA employed such a technical genius as Capello to ensure we don't play just kick and rush...
 
wibbly said:
Yup, just about sums up all that is wrong with the way England play football, players 'burning' themselves out...

With a little more controlled possession, composure and thinking players like that needn't run themselves into the ground!

And that's why I thought the FA employed such a technical genius as Capello to ensure we don't play just kick and rush...
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I don't think it was kick and rush at all. the two wingers were getting lots of possession and creating chances down each side. All credit to them - I think their execution of their pace was one of the best parts of the game.
 
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