Ebola Case In Glasgow Confirmed - New Case In Northampton

I loved this one though:

Katie Hopkins on LBC...

Interviewer .. You can be fat and write a newspaper column, can't you?

KH: I'm sure you can, and that Polly Toynbee knows all about that..But I prefer to write whilst slim..:D
 
Blank_Canvas said:
Katie Hopkins has upset a few people again Tweeting: “Little sweaty jocks, sending us Ebola bombs in the form of sweaty Glaswegians just isn't cricket. Scottish NHS sucks.”

The outrage bus is on the move again....
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She's quoted on the radio as having tweeted "Not so independant when it matters are we Jocksville?" on this matter as well.
Charmer, that one.
 
viv1969 said:
She's quoted on the radio as having tweeted "Not so independant when it matters are we Jocksville?" on this matter as well.
Charmer, that one.
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She's a self publicising, abhorrent bitch and ignoramus of the highest order. She'll get what she's due one of these days.
 
BRASH said:
She's a self publicising, abhorrent bitch and ignoramus of the highest order. She'll get what she's due one of these days.
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That's another way to put it, sure.
 
the people of Scotland are not scared of ebola getting into the country....we will get one of our bagage handlers to puch the s***e oot of it at the airport
 
Tringa said:
This is from CDC who probably know as much about Ebola as anywhere -

How long does Ebola live outside the body?
Ebola is killed with hospital-grade disinfectants (such as household bleach). Ebola on dry surfaces, such as doorknobs and countertops, can survive for several hours; however, virus in body fluids (such as blood) can survive up to several days at room temperature.

I still think the risk is very low but sneezing on a plane could deposit infective material on seat backs, handles, window frames. However, the lady in this case did not show any symptoms until after she arrived in Glasgow.

Link to source of the above - http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/qas.html

Dave
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Except that Ebola doesnt make you cough or sneeze. The main risks are from Saliva (e.g kissing) Sexual fluids (although thats predominantly theoretical as someone with Ebola is unlikely to want to have sex), vomit, faeces and urine, and blood (and in theory sweat and tears but WHO doesnt see those as a major issue) The primary risk factor is to care givers, either in a hospital environment or those taking care of a loved one at home. One of the reasons for the extent of spread in West africa is the practice of washing dead bodies, and of the entire extended family and freinds touching and kissing the deceased

The best way Ive seen the risk explained was by a WHO spokesman during the dallas cases who said in essence " If you wouldn't worry about getting HIV by doing something then theres no need to worry about getting ebola by doing them either" (I'll see if i can find the video)
 
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Whilst someone symptomatic probably isn't thinking about sex, there's a good deal of time prior to the onset of symptoms when they may.

And the spokesperson's comments might be more convincing if their own people on the ground were caring for those Ebola patients in the same manner as AIDS patients.

So whilst I agree that the risks are vastly overstated in the mainstream media, in my opinion its also irresponsible to down play them that way too.
 
viv1969 said:
the spokesperson's comments might be more convincing if their own people on the ground were caring for those Ebola patients in the same manner as AIDS patients.
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Leaving aside the semantic point that most of the on the ground people as MSF not WHO

actually the precautions against infection are exactly the same as for AIDS paitents - good sharps procedures, don't get their blood on you or in your eyes and so forth, don't breathe it in if they aspirate droplets of fluids etc

obviously some of the precautions are more pronouced in dealing with people with frank symptoms , because AIDS patients don't generally suffer from internal (and external) bleeding in the same way that someone with manifest Ebola symptoms can

However the risk of catching the disease from them before they start to exhibit frank symptoms is pretty much identical That is you need large droplet transfer, it isnt airborne so you can get it through sex (including oral etc), through sharing needles, or through getting large droplets of their bodily fluid on your hands and then touching your mouth or eyes. You don't get it from being on the same aircraft, or from toilet seats or any of that cobblers.

this was very clearly illustrated in both dallas and madrid where the only people who got it from the index patients were medical staff , and no one got it from them. If it were as infectious as many people seem to believe they would have infected freinds, family, colleagues etc... but they didn't - because it isn't.
 
Thanks again Dr Pete :lol:
 
Bad news, for everyone ... let's hope that she will pull through.
 
Prayers are with her and everyone else who is need of some support......and I believe they may have another potential case......
 
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archangel said:
Prayers are with her and everyone else who is need of some support......and I believe they may have another potential case......
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If that is the one in Swindon the patient is now known not to have Ebola.
 
Hope we hear good progress reports in the coming days.
 
Good old English healthcare :devil:
 
dejongj said:
Good old English healthcare :devil:
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There was a chap who runs one of the hospitals in Sierra Leone on the radio the other day. He talked about how they treat ebola. Then he kind of casually mentioned that their cure rate in Sierra Leone is currently above 50%. They have no access whatsoever to the "untested" drugs that everybody raves about. Their basic treatment is IV fluids plus antibiotics where appropriate.

It's basically a poor people's disease. It's transmitted (mainly) because of poor sanitation and people die because they dehydrate.

Even if this nurse had stayed in Sierra Leone, the odds are she would have survived.

Actually, I looked it up, he was being somewhat modest - http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ebola-survival-improving-in-sierra-leone/
 
JonathanRyan said:
Their basic treatment is IV fluids plus antibiotics where appropriate.
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So basically they stop you dying of dehydration or secondary complications like bacterial infections and your imune system either beats the virus or it doesnt... tbh that isnt much different to how we treat it in the first world (apart from Z Mapp which has apparently run out and blood from survivors which may or may not be effective )

What is different in first world is effective sanitation, decontamination for care workers (ie plentiful hot running water), and effective disposal of dead bodies (that is we incinerate them rather than letting family members parade them through the streets for the neighbours to kiss). The other thing is needles, bedding etc are plentiful so they don't get reused (MSF don't do this, but normal third world hospitals are notoriously sloppy).
 
big soft moose said:
So basically they stop you dying of dehydration or secondary complications like bacterial infections and your imune system either beats the virus or it doesnt... tbh that isnt much different to how we treat it in the first world
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Um, yeah. It's not really surprising that the cure is the same in different countries.
 
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Um, yeah. It's not really surprising that the cure is the same in different countries.
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It's not really a cure in the sense that the doctors aren't trying to tackle the pathogen itself (experimental drugs aside). It's treated very similarly to other serious viral infections - keep the person alive with fluid and electrolyte replacement to prevent organ failure, and wait on their immune system fighting off the disease.
 
Fromm BBC today:-

"The Royal Free Hospital is pleased to announce that Pauline Cafferkey is showing signs of improvement and is no longer critically ill.
She remains in isolation as she receives specialist care for the Ebola virus."
 
Nice to have some good news :)
 
That news is very welcome - I'm sure her relatives and friends will be glad to hear this.

Hopefully she will continue to improve and there will be no set backs
 
good to hear

its noticeable that despite all the media hysteria when she was originally diagnosed , no other cases have been found (which presumably means that everybody on her flight who was contacted tested negative), and no health care proffesionals have caught it from her either
 
big soft moose said:
good to hear

its noticeable that despite all the media hysteria when she was originally diagnosed , no other cases have been found (which presumably means that everybody on her flight who was contacted tested negative), and no health care proffesionals have caught it from her either
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Which was always the likely outcome. Some people just can't resist a silly spook story.

It's weird. You'd think people would welcome the reassuring truth; but for some reason they just get so excited by the spooky myth that they don't want to drop it.
 
Northampton general hospital has confirmed in is treating a woman who may have Ebola - BBC Link
 
MWHCVT said:
But in both cases a good chance they haven't got it I'm sure
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Chance really isn't good enough though. Ideally we should be setting up 21 day quaranteens for ANYONE coming in from West Africa. However impractical that may well be, it might be something the government should look at for the greater good of Britain and her people. All these UNICEF/Save the Children/Charity volunteer types should be quaranteed if coming back from W.Africa to ensure they don't pose any risk whatsoever.
 
ST4 said:
Chance really isn't good enough though. Ideally we should be setting up 21 day quaranteens for ANYONE coming in from West Africa. However impractical that may well be, it might be something the government should look at for the greater good of Britain and her people. All these UNICEF/Save the Children/Charity volunteer types should be quaranteed if coming back from W.Africa to ensure they don't pose any risk whatsoever.
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Agree with you there, all for people going over to help if they want but really we should be properly screening them when they come back.
 
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except that they don't pose a risk anyway because they arent infectious when they arent symptomatic , and as medicall proffesionals they know enough to get tested as soon as they develop a fever.

As i said earlier theres two ways to go with this - either read the facts on the Who/CDC/MSF websites and the serious newspapers and realise that while its a nasty disease it isnt going to be an armageddon plague because it doesnt spread easily , or alternately read the hotzone, watch outbreak, get your iinfo from the sun and run arround panicking with your head up your arse screaming "we're all gonna die" - personally i prefer the former , but the choice is yours
 
ST4 said:
Chance really isn't good enough though. Ideally we should be setting up 21 day quaranteens for ANYONE coming in from West Africa. However impractical that may well be, it might be something the government should look at for the greater good of Britain and her people. All these UNICEF/Save the Children/Charity volunteer types should be quaranteed if coming back from W.Africa to ensure they don't pose any risk whatsoever.
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Ideally says who exactly? You? Personally I'd rather take the advice of medical professionally personally, including in that my sister that is a double honours degree qualified nurse who has spent the last 8 years as an A&E sister in one of Dublins biggest hospitals...to do as you suggest would be a colossal waste of time, money and most importantly vital medical resources....
 
Don't confuse the issue by talking sense and using logic Matt ;)
 
I see on the news that another person is in quarantine in Edinburgh whilst they test for Ebola

BBC report HERE
 
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