Ebola Case In Glasgow Confirmed - New Case In Northampton

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STV news have just announced that there is a confirmed case of Ebola in Glasgow

BBC report HERE
 
Just a matter of time before it hit our shores unfortunately.
 
Surprised it took so long, loads of people going over there to help out, someone was going to bring it over here at some point!
 
unfortunate for the lady concerned but shouldnt be any great cause for concern - she contracted it in west africa, and has had minimal contacts since her return to the uk. As was repeatedly said on the other thread Ebola isnt a major problem in a first world setting (its notable that despite dire predictions to the contrary neither the spanish nor the american infection of care workers led to an outbreak in either country)
 
big soft moose said:
unfortunate for the lady concerned but shouldnt be any great cause for concern - she contracted it in west africa, and has had minimal contacts since her return to the uk. As was repeatedly said on the other thread Ebola isnt a major problem in a first world setting (its notable that despite dire predictions to the contrary neither the spanish nor the american infection of care workers led to an outbreak in either country)
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Apart from all the people on the British Airways aircraft and airport.
 
Blank_Canvas said:
Apart from all the people on the British Airways aircraft and airport.
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for about the 4 millionth time you can't get ebola from being on the same aircraft as a carrier as its not airborne , you can only get it through large droplet transmission (that is blood, vomit etc) you could get it from a sneeze if they sneezed straight in your face and their mucus went in your eyes but not from breathing recirculated air. Ebola doesnt general cause coughs and sneezes anyway.

also she wasnt symptomatic while travelling anyway
 
Not the first in the UK
 
big soft moose said:
for about the 4 millionth time you can't get ebola from being on the same aircraft as a carrier as its not airborne , you can only get it through large droplet transmission (that is blood, vomit etc) you could get it from a sneeze if they sneezed straight in your face and their mucus went in your eyes but not from breathing recirculated air. Ebola doesnt general cause coughs and sneezes anyway.

also she wasnt symptomatic while travelling anyway
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4 millionth.
Links please, Dr Pete.
 
viv1969 said:
4 millionth.
Links please, Dr Pete.
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Who or CDC websites - do your own research (or read the other thread) - 4 millionth may be a 'slight' exageration but the last thread on ebola divided between people saying " I haz read the hotzone and/0r seen outbreak we're all gonnna die " and a smaller group of people who'd actually bothered to check their facts saying "FFS outbreak/hotzone etc is fiction, its not airbourne"

Neither the Dallas or madrid cases managed to infect anyone while in transit or outside the hospital environment (despite the Dallas index patient vomitting in the street) - this is because it isnt easily spread in an environment where people can wash theitr hands easily and don't eat bush meat or interact with dead bodies
 
big soft moose said:
Who or CDC websites - do your own research (or read the other thread) - 4 millionth may be a 'slight' exageration but the last thread on ebola divided between people saying " I haz read the hotzone and/0r seen outbreak we're all gonnna die " and a smaller group of people who'd actually bothered to check their facts saying "FFS outbreak/hotzone etc is fiction, its not airbourne"

Neither the Dallas or madrid cases managed to infect anyone while in transit or outside the hospital environment (despite the Dallas index patient vomitting in the street) - this is because it isnt easily spread in an environment where people can wash theitr hands easily and don't eat bush meat or interact with dead bodies
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I don't disagree with facts.
Never did :-)
 
erm it already hit our shores weeks ago, when a nurse was flown back to be treated, guess what days later the nurse was up well and at home, in a first world medical environment Ebola is a lot easier to manage and treat, yes it's still potentialy fatal but it's hardly worth getting hysterical over, especially considering it's a none airborne virus
 
My point exactly in post 8.
 
According to wiki the first case in the UK was in 1976 - caught in a lab situation by sloppy sharps procedure ... no one else caught it and the index case survived. That has also happened (with single fatalities) twice in russia , in 1996 and 2004

During the kikwit outbreak in '96 the biggest until the current one (and one that featured sub strain mayinga which is thought to be airborne in a limited way) there were two cases with one fatality in south africa.

The Hotzone is based on an outbreak of the Reston variant in America - imported in monkeys from the philipines to Quarantine facilities in virginia and texas (and also to italy) 4 workers in america developed antibodies (and 3 in the phillipines) - no one developed symptoms or died. RestV is thought to be airborne in a limited manner as it was spreading through the ventilation system - fortunately it doesnt seem to be a problem in humans

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ebola_outbreaks (other detail on rreston variant from CDC)
 
big soft moose said:
for about the 4 millionth time you can't get ebola from being on the same aircraft
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All the Passengers on the flight are all being identified and located with a view to screening them for the virus - just incase. It sounds sensible to me.
 
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All the Passengers on the flight are all being identified and located with a view to screening them for the virus - just incase. It sounds sensible to me.
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sure - they don't know if she might have left some bodily fluid on a surface that someone else touched ... but based on occurences so far i'll be amazed if any of them test positive. So far the only people to contract EVD outside of west africa have been medical care givers
 
This is from CDC who probably know as much about Ebola as anywhere -

How long does Ebola live outside the body?
Ebola is killed with hospital-grade disinfectants (such as household bleach). Ebola on dry surfaces, such as doorknobs and countertops, can survive for several hours; however, virus in body fluids (such as blood) can survive up to several days at room temperature.

I still think the risk is very low but sneezing on a plane could deposit infective material on seat backs, handles, window frames. However, the lady in this case did not show any symptoms until after she arrived in Glasgow.

Link to source of the above - http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/qas.html

Dave
 
When an infection occurs in humans, the virus can be spread to others through direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes in, for example, the eyes, nose, or mouth) with
  • blood or body fluids (including but not limited to urine, saliva, sweat, feces, vomit, breast milk, and semen) of a person who is sick with Ebola
  • objects (like needles and syringes) that have been contaminated with the virus
  • infected fruit bats or primates (apes and monkeys)
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What chance coming into contact with traces of urine, saliva, sweat or feces on a long-haul flight, bearing in mind the nature of the toilet cubicles and the probability of good (or more likely, any) hand-washing?
Most people would 'exchange' with others every time they walked up/down the aircraft using the top corner of the seat to steady their way.
 
Quite a few people who went on to develop Ebola have travelled aboard aircraft whilst infected, and no-one contracted it from them.
Not to say it's impossible, but speaks pretty loudly in itself.
 
Meanwhile, they have taken her safely out of Scotland to a hospital that has a 100% record for curing Ebola.
 
JonathanRyan said:
Meanwhile, they have taken her safely out of Scotland to a hospital that has a 100% record for curing Ebola.
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We have another up here in Aberdeen tho.
 
Epidemic. It's now nation wide!!
 
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Just so long as it is possible then there is still a risk.
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From WHO Factsheet:-

"Men who have recovered from the disease can still transmit the virus through their semen for up to 7 weeks after recovery from illness."
 
Katie Hopkins has upset a few people again Tweeting: “Little sweaty jocks, sending us Ebola bombs in the form of sweaty Glaswegians just isn't cricket. Scottish NHS sucks.”

The outrage bus is on the move again....
 
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Katie Hopkins has upset a few people again Tweeting: “Little sweaty jocks, sending us Ebola bombs in the form of sweaty Glaswegians just isn't cricket. Scottish NHS sucks.”

The outrage bus is on the move again....
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There are very few people I detest more than that woman and tweets like that are just the tip of the iceberg as to why.
 
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