Doing a Wedding HELP.

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Graham_P_Clarke said:
But I would like to add one point, Many people are saying the only thing from a wedding is the photos. When I got married 23years ago I could not afford a photographer or car or much at all, infact the most expensive part of my wedding was the registrars fees!!!. I would have loved to have some pictures from the day but I got the most important thing that day my WIFE!!.
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starman said:
Must be something wrong with me ........
I dont shoot 100's of shots
I dont spend hours post processing
I dont spend half the wedding peering at a little screen

I dont belive the "game" has changed beyond recognition
I just think there is more choice
A client can now choose someone that knows what they are doing without all the heavy reliance on digital technology ...ie a person who has experience , technique and above all an eye for a picture ...none of which can be bought at jessops.
Or of course they can go for someone that has not bothered to learn the trade and thinks a few words on a forum will get them out of trouble ....
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but the eye for a picture can be faked to a degree.

now, i realise you dont take 100s of shots, but the less seasoned pro/amateur can just click off a couple of thousand, and laws of averages should, out of 2000, get 100 that are ok(unless they messed the settings up or equipment failure) out of those 100 there would be some nice shots that would look professional.

now they may have missed the right exposure, so they spend alot more time than you editing the shots (brightening, cloning out dodgy bits, blurring the bg)

they then take to the couple, a portfolio of 100 images or so that look nice, everyone is in focus, they pic there shots and get there album, which they are happy with.

now your workflow and ability means you took less shots than the amateur, and you spent less time editing, and probably better shots, but the amateur has managed to produce some good quality shots for his website and b&g and the only extra thing has been more time.
 
I thought the first post was funny! There are some serious points to be made though, my sister hired a very well thought of professional tog for her wedding and the photos were stunning! However on the day the togs were absolutly awful at getting the groups togther. Everyone just ignored their quiet shouts! It took me and another well seasoned secondary school teacher and everyone was soon rounded up! The togs were about to take major shots with only half of the people there!
Its not just the skill behind the camera you have to be able to deal with large groups of 'merry' people too!
I wish I had the photography skill and then I'd be sorted! Wedding guests are still easier than year 11's
 
Just to redress the balance, as I can to some extent see the other point of view - when we see people posting asking for basic technical advice virtually on the eve of the big day and in the same breath asking what is the going rate for the job - even being urged by some to charge the pro rate on the basis that if they're good enough to do the job they should charge the going rate. Totally unrealistic..it hasn't even been established if you can do the job yet, and I can understand how that would rankle with many pros.

On that note I'm going shopping, there are just some days when I don't need to be around this forum and this is one of 'em.
 
Slvrbck said:
Are you trying to top the bill for having the most offensive post in this tread??

It's not about "a few words getting you out of trouble", for me it has been, and still about getting advice from friends that know a bit more than you.
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Not at all offensive
Its completely true just look around and you will see the proof so how can it be offensive?
 
Who is a Wedding "God" in my eyes!

I abolutely adore Duncan's photography and to cap it all, everyone says he's a blooming nice bloke too.

I've read a fair few of your posts Duncan and all I can add to my previous crawling is that we are blessed to have you here among us!

Right, that's enough of that. I'll get back to normal now :)
 
I agree. ^^^

Ive just had a good old look and they truly are lovely. :thumbs:
 
starman,
Show me a thread where a TP member is asking for, as you put it "a few words getting you out of trouble" and I will show you 100 threads with people that are just after a few tips that they may not have thought of.
It offended me.
 
God why are so many of you getting upset ?.
If you know about photography and know more then just P MODE then fine.
But if you dont know anything you shouldnt be doing weddings should you.

I dont know how to fit a new gas fire but I wouldnt try and fit my Grans new one just because I know how to light one.

I wanted to make the post funny but it's got a few peoples backs up I wonder why.
 
PapaLazarou said:
If you know about photography and know more then just P MODE then fine.
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I have actually heard of a fair few "pro" togs resorting to P on the day. I guess as long as they know how their camera works inside and out... it doesnt matter as long as the results are good.
 
Possibly because it wasn't funny just rude and dare I say unprofessional.

I dont know how to fit a new gas fire but I wouldnt try and fit my Grans new one just because I know how to light one.
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But some would
 
Janice said:
I have actually heard of a fair few "pro" togs resorting to P on the day. I guess as long as they know how their camera works inside and out... it doesnt matter as long as the results are good.
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Now thats a joke.
 
Slvrbck said:
starman,
Show me a thread where a TP member is asking for, as you put it "a few words getting you out of trouble" and I will show you 100 threads with people that are just after a few tips that they may not have thought of.
It offended me.
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LMAO !
If that offended you my friend you really ought to stay out of forums
Oh and as you are chucking around " my friends know more than you "
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Offended ?
 
Maybe cause its made us realise we're all crap compared to you, and attempting something is bad unless you'e a pro.
Unless you're born with an instant ability to photo a wedding, leave it to you?

;)
 
PapaLazarou said:
Now thats a joke.
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Wasnt meant to be, PL. A friend of mine has been assisting togs for a couple of years now and said quite a lot are using P mode.

Seems amazing doesnt it. :shrug:
 
Papalazarou,
People are upset (me included) because your post wasn't funny, it was rude and offensive and not something I ever thought I would see on TP.
 
Why would anyone want to use p mode? Ap possibly. sp possibly-but p.

But then according to some pros ive come across in my time-telling me they dont even meter a scene at all and just grab a s speed from the air. Well then if they can do that and get it right every time-they are not togs, but magicians.
 
vecsri said:
attempting something is bad unless you'e a pro.
;)
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Calm down a bit folks, it was the "attempting" bit that has (I hope I'm right) got Papa a bit sarcastic in his post.

A wedding is not really the place to do "attempting" unless, as has been previously stated the B&G are Ok with their tog doing that. The communication needs to be crystal clear on that or the "attemptee" could be letting them down, big style. Please note the use of the word could, the potential in there for it all to go horribly wrong and that is a risk than needs managing.

Duncan is here to prove that it CAN be done too.
 
The OP post was not rude and offensive, just his view of things. Some agree, some don't, such is the nature of things.
 
digitalmaniac said:
Why would anyone want to use p mode? Ap possibly. sp possibly-but p.

But then according to some pros ive come across in my time-telling me they dont even meter a scene at all and just grab a s speed from the air. Well then if they can do that and get it right every time-they are not togs, but magicians.
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I don't but simplicity and laziness come to mind. Of course a professional in any trade anywhere would never resort to either of those.
 
It's so hard to get through to some people.
If you know what your doing fine, go and do a wedding.
If you dont have a clue then what are you doing shooting a wedding ?.
And time and time again people come on this forum who dont know the basics and think it's fine to do a wedding. It's not just weddings but any kind of photography work, it's only weddings that we mention as you only get one shot at it.
 
starman said:
LMAO !
Oh and as you are chucking around " my friends know more than you "
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Offended ?
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I can only say sorry about the post you have quoted, it should have read "friends that know more than me"
To clear up that issue, I was talking about some of the friends I have made on TP.

As for my avatar image, I wasn't trying to show a great image of me, it was showing a very drunk image of me....

Offended?? No.....

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I know several pros that shoot on P through choice the whole day, and turn out good stuff with it. It's not because they don't understand how to use their camera, it's because they understand very well how the camera operates in P mode and fit their shooting around that.

At a Joe Buissink seminar (american celeb photographer) he claimed to work on P for most of the day. His minimum fee is $10,000.
 
AliB said:
ewwwww! :gag:

How about freezing brides then, Stop the blighters moving about so much!
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Hmm :thinking:
1 How long would it take to freeze one
2 If frozen before the ceremony would the marriage be legally binding
3 If frozen after the ceremony would it be down to the tog to arrange the freezing or would a specialist be required
4 Would a separate cost need adding to the budget


On a more serious note (and let me say I am allergic to weddings and do not want to take pictures of either weddings or people!!)

Hypothetically if I were to get dragged kicking and screaming to a wedding I would not want to ask on open forum about taking my camera and getting some pictures - yes I would pm some people and ask advice, but after reading this I would be very careful. For example I am someone who has not got a flash as I do not need one for my main interest so how do I come on here and say I am going to xyz wedding and am taking some pictures what sort of flash would I need and how would I use it after reading this thread :(

With costs going ever higher people are going to cut back on a lot of things, weddings included so its quite likely that less people will rely on professional photographers and more on friends with dslr's or decent p&s cameras. Of all the people I know who are married only one has a wedding picture out on display, the others just have them tucked away somewhere so I think times are changing a lot and everyone photographers included need to adapt to the way people are doing things. Some people do get married on a shoestring, they use a "posh" car belonging to and driven by a friend who will get it cleaned polished and ribboned up for them, a different friend will make the cake, and yet another may do the brides hair/nails etc so what would to a looker on be an extravagent wedding may well be a lot of people doing everything they can to make the day a great one, and although thr car/cake/makeup may to a professional be not as technically good as the pro would have done to the bride and groom it will mean a lan incredible amount more because of the huge effort and thought that friends have made on their behalf.

I do agree that if someone wants to take up wedding photography seriously they should learn properly before going out and charging people, but if photos are way down on the list of priorities and the couple want a friend to do some then thats their choice, provided of course the person taking the pics is honest about their ability or lack of. Equally if someone admits that they lack knowledge don't make them feel worse about themselves than they already do if they ask questions.
 
Slvrbck said:
I can only say sorry about the post you have quoted, it should have read "friends that know more than me"
To clear up that issue, I was talking about some of the friends I have made on TP.

As for my avatar image, I wasn't trying to show a great image of me, it was showing a very drunk image of me....

Offended?? No.....



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Interesting ......
I responded to you based on your original post
So
Does that still make me pathetic seeing as you have now said it was a mistake ?
 
PapaLazarou said:
It's so hard to get through to some people.
If you know what your doing fine, go and do a wedding.
If you dont have a clue then what are you doing shooting a wedding ?.
And time and time again people come on this forum who dont know the basics and think it's fine to do a wedding. It's not just weddings but any kind of photography work, it's only weddings that we mention as you only get one shot at it.
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But it is not your call to make.

So as you have not lost anything why not just show a bit of goodwill and give some useful advice(as they are going to do it anyway).
 
Your post about my avatar was pathetic....

I'm bored now...
Back to work
 
PapaLazarou said:
It's so hard to get through to some people.
If you know what your doing fine, go and do a wedding.
If you dont have a clue then what are you doing shooting a wedding ?.
And time and time again people come on this forum who dont know the basics and think it's fine to do a wedding. It's not just weddings but any kind of photography work, it's only weddings that we mention as you only get one shot at it.
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