Dog walkers gggrrrrrr

odd jim said:
Body language, teeth and tail, dogs are simple creatures.
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Ah....the blind kid, can't see body language of the dog...... I can twist and turn a response better than you can.
 
tiler65 said:
Ah....the blind kid, can't see body language of the dog...... I can twist and turn a response better than you can.
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I'm not twisting anything, just stating facts! Again you're throwing accusations at me (after the holier than thou comment you didn't qualify) when your flawed logic is pointed out.

You're telling me you won't read a situation but react with the highest level of aggression just in case?

What I said about the dogs body language is true - the first thing to do is look at the tail, if its coming at you with it between its legs, it means business. If its up and wagging, well you get the rest.

How is that twisting it? It's common sense applied with intelligent thought.
 
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odd jim said:
I'm not twisting anything, just stating facts! Again you're throwing accusations at me (after the holier than thou comment you didn't qualify) when your flawed logic is pointed out.

You're telling me you won't read a situation but react with the highest level of aggression just in case?

What I said about the dogs body language is true - the first thing to do is look at the tail, if its coming at you with it between its legs, it means business. If its up,and wagging, well you get the rest.

How is that twisting it? It's common sense applied with intelligent thought.
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And I stated that a blind kid couldn't see the body language of the dog.

See how your theory won't work? It also won't work if somebody is not looking at he dog who is able sighted.
 
tiler65 said:
And I stated that a blind kid couldn't see the body language of the dog.

See how your theory won't work? It also won't work if somebody is not looking at he dog who is able sighted.
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I'm sure the blind kid's guide dog would look after him...
 
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Oh and one more regarding the tail....what if it has no tail?
 
tiler65 said:
Oh and one more regarding the tail....what if it has no tail?
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Look at its teeth.
 
tiler65 said:
Do all blind kids have guide dogs?
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I can't account for every single one?
 
odd jim said:
Look at its teeth.
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I am not looking towards the dog...I am acting on impulse that a dog is jumping up at me barking....so the first thing I do is defend myself by doing my best to incapacitate the dog. This may involve injuring the dog on purpose. What is wrong with that?
 
tiler65 said:
Oh and one more regarding the tail....what if it has no tail?
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I don't know of many breeds that have no tail...
And it's been illegal to dock tails for nearly 6 years in the UK (unless special circumstances) then it is very very uncommon.
 
neil_g said:
They certainly wouldn't be out wandering on their own.
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Who said they were on their own. I used to play out with my blind cousin all the time when we were kids. It was amazing what we could do together but we still had to warn him what was coming (or going for that matter).
 
tiler65 said:
I am not looking towards the dog...I am acting on impulse that a dog is jumping up at me barking....so the first thing I do is defend myself by doing my best to incapacitate the dog. This may involve injuring the dog on purpose. What is wrong with that?
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Cruelty, the is generally what is wrong with intentionally trying to hurt an animal that is doing you no harm.

Barking is NOT attacking...
 
tiler65 said:
I am not looking towards the dog...I am acting on impulse that a dog is jumping up at me barking....so the first thing I do is defend myself by doing my best to incapacitate the dog. This may involve injuring the dog on purpose. What is wrong with that?
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Nothing if you were genuinely scared for your safety and it was an instant un meditated response, however, killing it outright would be a little OTT. If it wanted to seriously hurt you (for some strange reason) and caught you off guard it's likely it would have already done so before you could react.
 
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tiler65 said:
Who said they were on their own. I used to play out with my blind cousin all the time when we were kids. It was amazing what we could do together but we still had to warn him what was coming (or going for that matter).
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So someone could warn them about potential danger?
 
neil_g said:
So someone could warn them about potential danger?
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Quite! I don't think he's prepared to see the common sense argument though.
 
To Oddjim in particular, put it this way.

If I were to run up to you in the street and jump up at you and knock you to the floor...you bang your head on the kerb stone and you require hospitalisation and I said I was just playing.....would you accept that because I was smiling and laughing throughout the whole ordeal?
 
tiler65 said:
To Oddjim in particular, put it this way.

If I were to run up to you in the street and jump up at you and knock you to the floor...you bang your head on the kerb stone and you require hospitalisation and I said I was just playing.....would you accept that because I was smiling and laughing throughout the whole ordeal?
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No, but that's entirely different. Completely different in fact.

It's not normal behaviour, whereas it is normal for a curious and friendly dog to jump about and want to play.
 
neil_g said:
I'm with you on what you said earlier about coming/posting on here less by the way.
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Yep, it's getting tiring here now...
 
neil_g said:
So someone could warn them about potential danger?
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odd jim said:
Quite! I don't think he's prepared to see the common sense argument though.
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Actually if you read my post ...that is exactly what we tried to do ....but because of the games we played (including hide and seek) we could not always be observing him. Still, we survived childhood.
 
tiler65 said:
I am not looking towards the dog...I am acting on impulse that a dog is jumping up at me barking....so the first thing I do is defend myself by doing my best to incapacitate the dog. This may involve injuring the dog on purpose. What is wrong with that?
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What a totally stupid thing to say. So you wouldn't complain if I incapacitated or killed you if I thought you "may" be looking aggressive?
Let's face it, humans are far more aggressive than dogs.
 
tiler65 said:
Actually if you read my post ...that is exactly what we tried to do ....but because of the games we played (including hide and seek) we could not always be observing him. Still, we survived childhood.
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Yes but with your argument the blind child has found himself wondering about alone, and is easy prey to the evil wolf packs out there?
 
odd jim said:
No, but that's entirely different. Completely different in fact.

It's not normal behaviour, whereas it is normal for a curious and friendly dog to jump about and want to play.
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But you don't get the fact that most people will not know if the dog is being friendly or not or will not have time to asses the situation. Keep all dogs on a lead/leash and there will be fewer instances of dogs jumping up at people. Then, who knows, in generations the dog may have realised it is not good to jump up at people.
 
JayD said:
What a totally stupid thing to say. So you wouldn't complain if I incapacitated or killed you if I thought you "may" be looking aggressive?
Let's face it, humans are far more aggressive than dogs.
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I couldn't complain if you killed me.
 
odd jim said:
Yes but with your argument the blind child has found himself wondering about alone, and is easy prey to the evil wolf packs out there?
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Mine is not an argument, it is fact.
 
TriggerHappy said:
:lol:
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I think that's the only "lol" he's had for a while.
 
tiler65 said:
Mine is not an argument, it is fact.
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Is it?

You'll be able to name the blind child mauled by the dog then?
 
This thread has done nothing but galvanise my opinion about a small number of dog owners who think their pet can do no wrong and is perfectly entitled to run around off the leash and bound up to people, just as long as their tail's wagging and their tongue's hanging out so that it's in the name of play.
 
tiler65 said:
Who wrote a blind kid had been mauled by a dog?
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So your "fact" is just a figment of your imagination then?
 
TriggerHappy said:
This thread has done nothing but galvanise my opinion about a small number of dog owners who think their pet can do no wrong and is perfectly entitled to run around off the leash and bound up to people, just as long as their tail's wagging and their tongue's hanging out so that it's in the name of play.
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And what exactly is wrong with that if its in a public space and its doing no harm? Mine doesn't but live and let live.
 
TriggerHappy said:
This thread has done nothing but galvanise my opinion about a small number of dog owners who think their pet can do no wrong and is perfectly entitled to run around off the leash and bound up to people, just as long as their tail's wagging and their tongue's hanging out so that it's in the name of play.
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In which case, based on your loose example, you are reading the last couple of pages wrong.

There is a difference between agreeing that is acceptable for dogs to jump up folk (I don't), and arguing that it is unacceptable to intentionally set about harming a dog who does such a thing.
 
tiler65 said:
I am not looking towards the dog...I am acting on impulse that a dog is jumping up at me barking....so the first thing I do is defend myself by doing my best to incapacitate the dog. This may involve injuring the dog on purpose. What is wrong with that?
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Hmmmmm. I'm guessing that you haven't ever experienced a dog attacking you then?

The last thing that you have time to do is work out how to incapacitate it.

If a dog is within striking distance, then the attack takes place in milliseconds. If it's charging towards you, then the majority of people are either running for safety, soiling themselves or frozen.

It takes a very disciplined and trained mind to counter attack effectively.
 
DemiLion said:
Hmmmmm. I'm guessing that you haven't ever experienced a dog attacking you then?

The last thing that you have time to do is work out how to incapacitate it.

If a dog is within striking distance, then the attack takes place in milliseconds. If it's charging towards you, then the majority of people are either running for safety, soiling themselves or frozen.

It takes a very disciplined and trained mind to counter attack effectively.
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Have you had the misfortune yourself mark?
 
TriggerHappy said:
This thread has done nothing but galvanise my opinion about a small number of dog owners who think their pet can do no wrong and is perfectly entitled to run around off the leash and bound up to people, just as long as their tail's wagging and their tongue's hanging out so that it's in the name of play.
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Oh contrare - it's opened my eyes to several people on here and makes me think twice about wanting to meet anyone for a photography trip.

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