Dog walkers gggrrrrrr

Davec223 said:
I am sure he means cars
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I'm sure he does.

Cars and dogs are so similar, I can see the comparison.
 
odd jim said:
LOOK AT THIS CRAZY BEAST! HAVE IT PUT DOWN IMMEDIATELY!!

www.youtube.com/#/watch?v=kHHDKvuJFSA
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What a lovely video, I also believe that dogs know when someone is ill or disabled, all our dogs always have been protective of all of us when we were ill, and also protective of my grandmother when she came round as she was in a wheelchair, I can remember one occasion when there was a loud noise outside when gran was around and I would have been about 10 the wolfhound got between us and the noise, this was the only time I ever saw her get really protective where I wouldn't of got in her way.
 
odd jim said:
Potentially dangerous vehicles???!

Please elaborate!
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Like, a car, for example. We all drive safely, of course, but we are required by law to have insurance for when things go wrong and other are harmed (physically, or financially, like the OP).
 
odd jim said:
I'm sure he does.

Cars and dogs are so similar, I can see the comparison.
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Both can cause harm, including death, if not properly controlled, so why not make PL insurance mandatory? It seems perfectly logical to me.
 
Johnd2000 said:
Like, a car, for example. We all drive safely, of course, but we are required by law to have insurance for when things go wrong and other are harmed (physically, or financially, like the OP).
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I wonder how we'd identify a dog.......staple a number plate to its arse? Hmmm.
 
DemiLion said:
I realise that you've left the thread, and that this article has been commented on, but there's one very important set of stats that's been left out; that is whether the bites/strikes/attacks happened within the home or outside.

Without that, the stats are next to useless if you are making an argument about dangerous dogs.

I would suggest that by far the greatest number of 'attacks' happen within the home and are more often than not inflicted on their owners because that is where a dog is likely to be at it's most defensive.

To be honest I'm more concerned at the amount of cruelty inflicted on dogs by humans than the other way around.
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Your friendly tone has tempted me back :)

Absolutely. I'm sure plenty of those bites and strikes happen in the home and/or to dogs provoked. That's not to say that steps shouldn't be taken towards reducing the number, or at the very least prevent it rising further.

As I said, I'm not someone who dislikes dogs - far from it in fact. Dogs can provide a lot of things to a lot of people; from companionship, to working roles, and even to teach children about life and death. It's not the dogs I have a problem wit., It's the small number of people who are at both extremes of their love/hate of dogs.

Some people - even in this thread - come across as so blinded by their love for their pet and dogs in general that they refuse to admit that dogs or their owners are capable of doing anything wrong.

Take it back to the OP, it's clear that the dog running off the lead knocked someone's camera over and caused damage. There shouldn't even be a debate about whether the owner is responsible to cover said damage (particularly if it's mechanical and not just cosmetic).

The other end of the spectrum, whom would happily see dogs disappear from society entirely are just as bad.

I do question the mentality of the individual and perhaps society as a whole that makes some people feel they need a dog to guard their property or for personal protection. That's quite a worrying attitude to me, but perhaps that's even more off topic than we've already strayed.

Hopefully this post comes across as a fair and moderate reply, and doesn't spark any extreme or irrational responses :)
 
Johnd2000 said:
Both can cause harm, including death, if not properly controlled, so why not make PL insurance mandatory? It seems perfectly logical to me.
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So can my step ladder, and set of kitchen knives, and push bike. Where do you draw the line?

There are plenty more hazardous things in life than family dogs.
 
odd jim said:
So can my step ladder, and set of kitchen knives, and push bike. Where do you draw the line?
There are plenty more hazardous things in life than family dogs.
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Totally agree :thumbs:
 
The only way insurance of any description would work is if the breeders of the dogs made you produce a valid insurance cert before selling you the dog and making sure the micro chip number of your puppy was on the insurance. Even then it's not going to work. Far to many loop holes.
 
odd jim said:
So can my step ladder, and set of kitchen knives, and push bike. .
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if you try to use a step lader and kitchen knives while on your bike i'd say harm was a virtual certainty :lol:
 
pepi1967 said:
The only way insurance of any description would work is if the breeders of the dogs made you produce a valid insurance cert before selling you the dog and making sure the micro chip number of your puppy was on the insurance. Even then it's not going to work. Far to many loop holes.
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But how would someone who's been "bitten" identify it. We'd have to staple number plates to their rear ends!
 
big soft moose said:
if you try to use a step lader and kitchen knives while on your bike i'd say harm was a virtual certainty :lol:
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I think we've invented a modern take on jousting!
 
What's apparent is that 2 people (one a dog lover, the other not) see the same situation in 2 very different way. For example, my wife treats her labrador as if it's her child. There is an evident unconditional love between the 2. If we are out, and the dog is off the lead, she likes to approach people, tale wagging, seeking attention. For my wife this represents a lovely scene. Her wonderful lab demonstrating how friendly and playful she is. But my wife does not appreciate that some people do not like dogs as much, do not want dogs approaching them or their kids. Her love has made her blind to this. Only I, certainly not a pet person, can see this. Only I see the annoyance or fear. The animal lovers out there, love giving the dog the attention it enjoys, others are not interested.
Dog owners are often blind to the way non-dog owners feel about the approaches of their animals.
 
odd jim said:
But how would someone who's been "bitten" identify it. We'd have to staple number plates to their rear ends!
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No you could tattoo the I'd number in its ear. But like I said even that won't work it's a logistical nightmare.
 
pepi1967 said:
No you could tattoo the I'd number in its ear. But like I said even that won't work it's a logistical nightmare.
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If the dog runs off, you still wouldn't be able to ID it.

No matter how you look at it, you're right it won't work!
 
pepi1967 said:
No you could tattoo the I'd number in its ear. But like I said even that won't work it's a logistical nightmare.
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odd jim said:
If the dog runs off, you still wouldn't be able to ID it.

No matter how you look at it, you're right it won't work!
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...and again, as I said earlier about licencing, in theory it's the perfect solution, but in practice, only the sensible, law abiding, dog owners would do it and those more likely to have very troublesome dogs [or rather, to be more troublesome owners] will not bother, as policing it would, at best, be very random. Should an unidentified dog cause a claimable 'offence', what happens then? If its known insurance is compulsary, you can bet the owner will do their best to skip admitting ownership... think of the comparisons with car insurance, the law abiding majority are paying out more and more because of the actions of the illegal minority. :shrug:
 
Yv said:
...and again, as I said earlier about licencing, in theory it's the perfect solution, but in practice, only the sensible, law abiding, dog owners would do it and those more likely to have very troublesome dogs [or rather, to be more troublesome owners] will not bother, as policing it would, at best, be very random. Should an unidentified dog cause a claimable 'offence', what happens then? If its known insurance is compulsary, you can bet the owner will do their best to skip admitting ownership... think of the comparisons with car insurance, the law abiding majority are paying out more and more because of the actions of the illegal minority. :shrug:
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Exactly this ^
 
oh and yes, I know car insurance is slightly different in that most of us, being law abiding, can think of times when we have been grateful to have that insurance, the chances of a 'fault' accident are far higher than in dog ownership, but some comparisons can be drawn.




Not to mention.... lets picture the scene.... dog running round in a large open space, runs in direction of a toddler, who sees it coming and screams, dog runs off before it ever gets to child.... how long before people are claiming for 'hurt feelings' or 'fear' ....
 
Ricardodaforce said:
What's apparent is that 2 people (one a dog lover, the other not) see the same situation in 2 very different way. For example, my wife treats her labrador as if it's her child. There is an evident unconditional love between the 2. If we are out, and the dog is off the lead, she likes to approach people, tale wagging, seeking attention. For my wife this represents a lovely scene. Her wonderful lab demonstrating how friendly and playful she is. But my wife does not appreciate that some people do not like dogs as much, do not want dogs approaching them or their kids. Her love has made her blind to this. Only I, certainly not a pet person, can see this. Only I see the annoyance or fear. The animal lovers out there, love giving the dog the attention it enjoys, others are not interested.
Dog owners are often blind to the way non-dog owners feel about the approaches of their animals.
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A clear explanation and better put than I could. :thumbs:
 
Just seen this thread.

My dog is a Wire Fox Terrier. He is trained to sniff for Tripe text info on his mobile and attack the Enemy by stealth.

Postman and photographers. Come up to togs in the woods and say 'Hi! ' look cute and leave a steaming pie in the Photographers kit bag.

He also has a childs peddle car with 4 camera stickers on the side with a red line crossed through. Four kills Ladies and Gents...... Four kills.

I must stop him reading Snoopy books........ And take his mobile phone off him.

The texting is driving me mad.
 
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Daryl said:
Just seen this.

My dog is a Wire Fox Terrier. He is trained to sniff for Tripe text info on his mobile and attack the Enemy by stealth.

Postman and photographers. Come up to togs in the woods and say 'Hi! ' look cute and leave a steaming pie in the Photographers kit bag.

He also has a childs peddle car with 4 camera stickers on the side. Four kills Ladies and Gents...... Four kills.

I must stop him reading Snoopy books........ And take his mobile phone off him.

The texting is driving me mad.
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:lol:
 
Nobody's mentioned how the tripod's doing,which surprises me. Another thread on here running out of control, every day/week it becomes more and more common, all very tedious
 
Daryl said:
Postman and photographers. Come up to togs in the woods and say 'Hi! ' look cute and leave a steaming pie in the Photographers kit bag.
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Excellent , i get peckish when out, can my next one be apple and black currant please
 
Daryl said:
Just seen this thread.

My dog is a Wire Fox Terrier. He is trained to sniff for Tripe text info on his mobile and attack the Enemy by stealth.

Postman and photographers. Come up to togs in the woods and say 'Hi! ' look cute and leave a steaming pie in the Photographers kit bag.

He also has a childs peddle car with 4 camera stickers on the side with a red line crossed through. Four kills Ladies and Gents...... Four kills.

I must stop him reading Snoopy books........ And take his mobile phone off him.

The texting is driving me mad.
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:lol: :clap:
 
mxfun said:
Nobody's mentioned how the tripod's doing,which surprises me. Another thread on here running out of control, every day/week it becomes more and more common, all very tedious
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not really - the thread is about the circumstances that led up to the damage - its hardly off that topic.

and as per post 1 the tripods smashed and the lens is chipped - what further info were you expecting ?
 
mxfun said:
Nobody's mentioned how the tripod's doing,which surprises me. Another thread on here running out of control, every day/week it becomes more and more common, all very tedious
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Tbh no one cares about the tripod, but last I heard she was doing well, upset but getting better.

Can't work out if this was a serious post.
 
odd jim said:
So can my step ladder, and set of kitchen knives, and push bike. Where do you draw the line?

There are plenty more hazardous things in life than family dogs.
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When ladders start running across roads to bite a kids face off, then yes, we should probably control them as well.

We had that same, weak, argument raised when discussing gun control recently. Presumably you're against the current rules on car insurance on that basis?

Lots of dogs have microchips these days. How hard would it be to set up an insurance database, like we have for cars?
 
Tbh I don't think the OP is overly concerned about his tripod it's the circumstances that led to the tripod and lens being damaged that annoyed him. That's my take on it.
 
Johnd2000 said:
When ladders start running across roads to bite a kids face off, then yes, we should probably control them as well.

We had that same, weak, argument raised when discussing gun control recently. Presumably you're against the current rules on car insurance on that basis?

Lots of dogs have microchips these days. How hard would it be to set up an insurance database, like we have for cars?
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Astronomical and massively expensive. Unless your offering to do it of course.

And how exactly will you enforce this idea? There are over 8 million dogs in the uk.


New figures show the number of dogs is at all-time high and is on course to end feline supremacy.
Britain's dogs population has risen steadily from five million in 1970 to 8.3m today, according to figures to be published this week by analysts, mintel.
 
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Johnd2000 said:
When ladders start running across roads to bite a kids face off, then yes, we should probably control them as well.

We had that same, weak, argument raised when discussing gun control recently. Presumably you're against the current rules on car insurance on that basis?

Lots of dogs have microchips these days. How hard would it be to set up an insurance database, like we have for cars?
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When someone hits you in a car but fails to stop you take the reg and go on from there.
If a dog bites you and runs away, how are you going trace said animal????
To trace the chip details ya gotta have the dog in hand so-to-speak.
 
My dog just sent my a text.

He has spent the morning practising SLOW MOTION RUNNING in the garden.
I asked him why?
He replied 'Just in Case'

In case of what?

'Just in case he is ever asked to do a dog advert on the telly!'

Imagine being a Photographer in the woods. you are still and quiet.......

At that moment the mist clears and you see a great pair of tits............. In a tree.

Then from around the Silver Birch comes Harrison the Wire fox Terrier sprinting towards you...... In slow motion..... Brilliant.

Must remove the phone from him.
 
Daryl said:
My dog just sent my a text.

He has spent the morning practising SLOW MOTION RUNNING in the garden.
I asked him why?
He replied 'Just in Case'

In case of what?

'Just in case he is ever asked to do a dog advert on the telly!'

Imagine being a Photographer in the woods. you are still and quiet.......

At that moment the mist clears and you see a great pair of tits............. In a tree.

Then from around the Silver Birch comes Harrison the Wire fox Terrier sprinting towards you...... In slow motion..... Brilliant.

Must remove the phone from him.
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What's my wife doing in a tree :thinking:
 
viv1969 said:
When someone hits you in a car but fails to stop you take the reg and go on from there.
If a dog bites you and runs away, how are you going trace said animal????
To trace the chip details ya gotta have the dog in hand so-to-speak.
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Maybe today, but soon everyone will have the technology in hand to do so. The chips contains an RFID unit. Soon all mobile phones will have them too. The mobiles will passively detect any RFID chip within range.
 
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