Did ISIS down a passenger jet?

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I'd not be surprised. I'll be interested to see the Russian response if they did. I doubt they'll fanny about like we or the Yanks do.
 
BRASH said:
I'd not be surprised. I'll be interested to see the Russian response if they did. I doubt they'll fanny about like we or the Yanks do.
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Russia will destroy these jihadists. Their great work so far cannot be underestimated but this is how Isis work. Terrorism. It's text book jihadist this. Russia will obliterate them now. The one solace is the innocent will be avenged...
 
ST4 said:
Russia will destroy these jihadists. Their great work so far cannot be underestimated but this is how Isis work. Terrorism. It's text book jihadist this. Russia will obliterate them now. The one solace is the innocent will be avenged...
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Let's hope so.
 
No terrorist group has ever claimed responsibility for anything they didn't do before then?
 
boyfalldown said:
No terrorist group has ever claimed responsibility for anything they didn't do before then?
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That's true, but ISIS are operating in that area and having a sympathiser in the airport slipping a small device onto the plane is plausible, more so than a SAM.
 
boyfalldown said:
No terrorist group has ever claimed responsibility for anything they didn't do before then?
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This has the hallmark of Isis and they've got the weaponry, intent and motive to do it.

Russia is bombing the life out of them. They must bomb them more by the looks of it.

On a myopic note, you'd be mad to head to any country in the Middle East due to jihadists. This, then the Tunisian shooting. I'd not fly or travel out with Europe.
 
Dave1 said:
That's true, but ISIS are operating in that area and having a sympathiser in the airport slipping a small device onto the plane is plausible, more so than a SAM.
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I agree. But I think it would be nice to see some evidence giving credibility to their claim. It could equally be an other cause after leaving Sharm and ISIS taking the chance to be opportunist and spread fear.
 
Since the Russians have emphatically dismissed the claim, which was, after all, completely lacking evidence, (anyone can make a claim), I think I'll just wait for the facts ta.

Steve, have you ever considered North Korea as your country of residence? I think calling for the deployment of nukes in two threads in one day makes you Kim Jong un's wet dream :-)

By the way. ...do educate us with your in-depth specialist knowledge of the hallmarks of ISIL operations.
"They blow stuff up", will not make the grade.
 
BRASH said:
I doubt Russia are on a lead. A bit like the fantastic Israelies. You p*** them off, they deal with you.
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Yes, the Russians don't fanny about with rules of engagement nonsense.

Never mistreat an enemy by halves - Winston Churchill.
 
arclight said:
Yes, the Russians don't fanny about with rules of engagement nonsense.

Never mistreat an enemy by halves - Winston Churchill.
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Wise words indeed.
 
ST4 said:
Russia will destroy these jihadists. Their great work so far cannot be underestimated but this is how Isis work. Terrorism. It's text book jihadist this. Russia will obliterate them now. The one solace is the innocent will be avenged...
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Once again your fantastic history education has let you down.

I'd forgive you for it, if it wasn't for the fact that I remind you of the last Russian / Muslim conflict on a regular basis, due to Mrs T backing who you now call ISIS.

Still, getting all excited about it appears to give you some perverse pleasure, so it's almost understandable your memory fails.
 
BRASH said:
I doubt Russia are on a lead. A bit like the fantastic Israelies. You p*** them off, they deal with you.
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Sorry didn't see this. Was a turn of phrase but never mind.

Point was letting Russia snowball a situation wouldn't be the best idea. They're only looking out for themselves and damn the consequences for everyone else.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
The Israelis don't appear so "fantastic" if you're on the wrong side of the apartheid divide.
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Well that's just the way it is. I think they are fantastic, I think the Jews are a fantastic race of people in general and wholeheartedly support them.
 
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neil_g said:
Sorry didn't see this. Was a turn of phrase but never mind.

Point was letting Russia snowball a situation wouldn't be the best idea. They're only looking out for themselves and damn the consequences for everyone else.
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Pretty much a common trait.
 
The Airbus A320 series (which includes the A319 and A321) has had a rather chequered past with accidents. One of the best known, was when a birdstrike (of Canada Geese), disabled both engines and a US Airways flight had to ditch in the Hudson River.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accidents_and_incidents_involving_the_Airbus_A320_family

It is also quite possible that ISIL do have at least one SA6 missile launcher which has an altitude capability of between 8000 and 14000 metres. These surface to air systems were/are used by Syria, Iraq and Libya, all of which have been infiltrated by ISIL.
 
ST4 said:
Highly unlikely. Aircraft tend not come down, people bring them down...
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Aircraft can be bought down by natural. Bird strike, ashes in the sky, lightning strike in the wrong place, weather, etc., etc., in addition to people bringing them down.
 
Major Eazy said:
Aircraft can be bought down by natural. Bird strike, ashes in the sky, lightning strike in the wrong place, weather, etc., etc., in addition to people bringing them down.
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Plus mechanical failure.
Human error.
 
viv1969 said:
Plus mechanical failure.
Human error.
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Which just about sums it up at the moment.
Let's wait until they've had chance to analyse the flight recorders before making wild guesses.

EDIT : I should have also said, condolences to all the families of those killed, whatever the cause turns out to be it will be little or no consolation to them.
 
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Phil V said:
f the last Russian / Muslim conflict .
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Quite - while russia undeniably does not f*** about when it comes to retaliation their ability to suppress muslim inspired terrorism or insurrection is woeful - look not just at afghanistan in the 80s where the russians more or less owned the towns but mujahadeen had the countryside , but also the more recent operation is chechnya where the russians more or less leveled the place but still didn't win
 
big soft moose said:
Quite - while russia undeniably does not f*** about when it comes to retaliation their ability to suppress muslim inspired terrorism or insurrection is woeful - look not just at afghanistan in the 80s where the russians more or less owned the towns but mujahadeen had the countryside , but also the more recent operation is chechnya where the russians more or less leveled the place but still didn't win
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Even so, if it was IS that is pretty brave/stupid of them, can see Putin going in extra hard if thats the case!
 
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