Demand for cyclists number plates.

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kennethwfd said:
I suggest you come to the New Forest especially tomorrow and witness what will be going on at the latest cycle event where behaviour seems to indicate that they are diliberately causing an obstruction and the torrent of abuse ( only the other day shouted at "Get out of the ---- way , you -----= ------just one example) After a few miles of this such an opinion will become based on fact and not some "pre exisring arrogance" I don't ride a horse but in my experience most riders thank you for slowing down so I am more kindly disposed towards them
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i don't know about that, I think I've come across more nobbish horse riders recently (that's not to say I'm knee jerking for them to be banned). The oh would agree that manors from them has been on the fall recently and she's been riding for about 32 years.

And like I said in the other thread, we drove through the route for the Macmillan ride recently and had absolutely no problem with volume or attitude of riders.
 
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Musicman said:
You'll have to disagree with the people that build our roads, then.



OK. Let's double the relative weight of the bicycle to take account of it having only two wheels and see what happens: 100 Kg per axle.

So the car has 5.5 x more per axle loading. 5.5 ^4 = 915 times more road wear.

But I just realised that's without a driver, so add our average male at 83.6 Kg. 593.15 Kg per axle: 1237 times more wear.

Either way, it's several orders of magnitude less.

And umpteen orders of magnitude greater wear for a heavy lorry.
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Tyre footprint must play a part surely. Same as a woman wearing stilettos put holes/dents in wooden floors, it's the weight on the footprint. Same as driving a car with large tyres across loose sand/snow etc, you'd never do that on a bike.

If you look at this Wikipedia entry http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_pressure then you'll see a stiletto heal is much more damaging than a hilux
 
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Byker28i said:
Tyre footprint must play a part surely. Same as a woman wearing stilettos put holes/dents in wooden floors, it's the weight on the footprint. Same as driving a car with large tyres across loose sand/snow etc, you'd never do that on a bike.
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Indeed. Why would councils ever have to resurface roads if they did not wear out.
 
That article has some interesting examples:

All examples are approximate, and will vary based on conditions

Hovercraft: 0.7 kPa (0.1 psi)

Human on Snowshoes: 3.5 kPa (0.5 psi)

Rubber-tracked ATV: 5.165 kPa (0.75 psi)

Diedrich D-50 - T2 Drilling rig: 26.2 kPa (3.8 psi)

Human male (1.8 meter tall, medium build): 55 kPa (8 psi)

M1 Abrams tank: 103 kPa (15 psi)

1993 Toyota 4Runner / Hilux Surf: 170 kPa (25 psi)

Adult horse (550 kg, 1250 lb): 170 kPa (25 psi)

Passenger car: 205 kPa (30 psi)

Wheeled ATV: 240 kPa (35 psi)

Adult elephant: 240 kPa (35 psi)

Mountain bicycle: 245 kPa (40 psi)

Racing bicycle: 620 kPa (90 psi)

Stiletto heel: 3,250 kPa (471 psi)

Note: Pressures for Man and Horse are for standing still. A walking human will exert more than double his standing pressure. A galloping horse will exert up to 3.5 MPa (500 psi). The ground pressure for a pneumatic tire is roughly equal to its inflation pressure.
 
neil_g said:
i don't know about that, I think I've come across more nobbish horse riders recently (that's not to say I'm knee jerking for them to be banned). The oh would agree that manors from them has been on the fall recently and she's been riding for about 32 years.

And like I said in the other thread, we drove through the route for the Macmillan ride recently and had absolutely no problem with volume or attitude of riders.
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Likewise I have no issues with small scale events where the event is a fun or charity run, the only aim to complete the course and not to complete it in the fastest time possible. There have been calls to put a cap of maximum 500 participants at any event and a longer period of start time so encountering cyclists occasionally or in small groups is not an issue.

and remember that as a pedestrian I have just as much a right to use the public highway on foot with obvious exceptions. I am not the only person who "gets in the way" and then have to listen with surprise as " why do people hate cyclists?"
 
Byker28i said:
That's the base amount, add working tax credits, other benefits and you about double that. Know how to work the system and you get significantly more. Been there, done that, seen the abuses, don't want to do it again.
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Was watching a programme on TV the other day, one guy with 28 kids(he claimed more) reckoned he couldn't live on £500 a week, and not all thiose
kids were living with him. He had recently had the payments cut by £150 which caused him apparent hardship so he was going to try and get it back via
disability payments. Rent etc. paid for on top
Lets be honest how many people can actually say they earn that much even before tax and then get no help with bills
 
kennethwfd said:
Likewise I have no issues with small scale events where the event is a fun or charity run, the only aim to complete the course and not to complete it in the fastest time possible. There have been calls to put a cap of maximum 500 participants at any event and a longer period of start time so encountering cyclists occasionally or in small groups is not an issue.

and remember that as a pedestrian I have just as much a right to use the public highway on foot with obvious exceptions. I am not the only person who "gets in the way" and then have to listen with surprise as " why do people hate cyclists?"
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Except the aim isn't to get around in as quick a time as possible, it isn't a race. Some people might like to push themselves as a challenge but I would suggest this is a minority.

I'm pretty sure the last wiggle (as an example) event I looked at had a 2 or 3 hour start window.

And again, never had any major bother traversing the NF during any of their events. Granted there will always be the minority that give the rest a bad name, but it's exactly that, a minority.

Not disagreeing with the fact everyone has a right to use the route but you kinda have to agree that there is a LOT of prewarning in local media for the events.

I wonder how much negative attitude the Scottish and Welsh authorities get when the UCI world and other national level cycling events hit the reasonably small towns they are held in and defended upon by thousands of spectators and their bikes?
 
ST4 said:
Try going into Glasgow city centre at night. The yobbishness is unreal all those drunks and they make public transport awful for others. So much so some in my team who do the late shift drive in as they're scared of going in the buses. British society unlike continental European society has proven it cannot be trusted with cheap alcohol and late night drinking.
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walked from the west end to the centre on Thursday night didn't see any drunken loutish behaviour.
 
ST4 said:
Maybe. It's been mooted for a while. I wouldn't set the car limit at 70 but no more than 85. However I'd want the cyclists with anpr friendly plates for sure. I'd also like to see dog licensing, child restrictions and alcohol licensing on a per person baud brought in. If you're caught being drunk in public and being a menace you get disqualified from drinking for a period. Works with motorists and trust me, banned drivers do comply on a whole, I know loads.
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If society were going that route I'd have cameras installed in all cars, recording at all times. Should the driver behave like a tw*t toward cyclists, the cameras are used to confirm or exonerate said tw*ttery. If confirmed the driver (or cyclist) loses their privilege of access to the road for a specified time, escalating the more times they do it. As you say, banned drivers do comply, and hopefully that should force people to be a bit more tolerant, if they won't do that of their own accord.
 
Yes. In comparison Germany has tough laws and restrictions yet still no bike plates. Register when you move house. Change car plates if you move towns. Carry ID at all times. Heavy fines for crossing on a red man or red bike traffic light or cycling the wrong way on a one way cycle path. Even in the middle of the night with no one else around.
 
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Moadib said:
If society were going that route I'd have cameras installed in all cars, recording at all times. Should the driver behave like a tw*t toward cyclists, the cameras are used to confirm or exonerate said tw*ttery. If confirmed the driver (or cyclist) loses their privilege of access to the road for a specified time, escalating the more times they do it. As you say, banned drivers do comply, and hopefully that should force people to be a bit more tolerant, if they won't do that of their own accord.
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Then camera's need to be on cyclists, buses etc to ensure car drivers aren't getting treated unfairly by other road users. Its very easy to villify car drivers, but what of the aggressive driving you see by buses, red light running cyclists who claim they are badly treated
 
ST4 said:
try further towards the city at suchiehall st, near campus, effing bear pit!!!
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still a bit of a dump TBF. there are bars next to each other along suchiehall street so of course you are going to get drunk people. thats like living near the red light district and complaining about whores
 
POAH said:
still a bit of a dump TBF. there are bars next to each other along suchiehall street so of course you are going to get drunk people. thats like living near the red light district and complaining about whores
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Go to Rome, Athens, Milan, Barcelona and the late night town centres are fine. This city centre rowdiness is a UK problem. I'm waking to my mates tonight, from Leeds station to his place is 20mins. And it's scary what you see on the way.

Is it right people finishing work at 10pm are scared to take the bus due to the people in it-someone in my team feels unsafe leaving work. IMHO it's terrible.
 
ST4 said:
Try doing it at Saturday night and going on the trains. Horrible noisy drunken passangers. I hate it.
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well we did warn you that walking along declaring "get out of my way poor people, know your place you benefit scrounging scum" was a bad idea ;)
 
well dealing cocaine pays quite well ;)

I was thinking more of your attitude to the serfs and peasants engendering a less than freindly response from them
 
Musicman said:
You're putting your card behind the bar for everyone in a pub in Glasgow?
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well to be fair he's in banking and a certain number of the drinkers probably made a withdrawal with a sawn off shot gun, while many of the rest are using ill advised debt and credit cards they can't afford :whistling:
 
ST4 said:
Doesn't my and other income tax payers do that if the bar attendee's are on the dole?
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do you know that they are ?
 
Musicman said:
And your evidence that they are on the dole is… ?
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well you see they are scum so they must be.... :whistle: [/circular argument]

Personally if I had £72 quid a week (or whatever) to live on, blowing half of it on getting leggless wouldnt be my top priority
 
Must be , people who work in the financial sector never get riotously drunk , they are too busy snorting cocaine all paragons of virtue
 
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It's true, though. Not a drop of alcohol has passed my lips since I was last in receipt of Unemployment Benefit in 1993 *


* elements of this statement may not stand up to verification
 
More to the point though , the pertinent part of that comment was the illustration that not everyone getting lashed down sauchiehall of a friday is a dole scrounging junkie (in fact very few are, when junkies have money they spent it on heroin usually)
 
big soft moose said:
what that all bankers are paragons of virtue ... no because it was an ironic comment

If you are talking about the allegation of cocaine use being common place

http://www.theguardian.com/business/shortcuts/2013/apr/15/cocaine-bankers-global-financial-crisis

http://theconversation.com/drugs-and-the-city-an-open-secret-so-why-no-testing-21713

http://www.brw.com.au/p/leadership/cocaine_blues_are_you_rewarding_Gj7qnWzhGTZQ90wpvY6IqJ
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Do people who work outwith financial services not do drugs?

Are all our methodone users in Glasgow all ex equity/derivatives traders?
 
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ST4 said:
Can you prove that for a fact?
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I can prove that many people drinking in City of London pubs kept their jobs because taxpayers paid to keep the banks they work for from going bust.
 
ST4 said:
Do people who work outwith financial services not do drugs?
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You aren't good at logic are you ?

my deliberate generalisation about financial traders and coke was intended as a parallel to your generalisation about dole scroungers and drink ... of course not every cokehead is a financial services employye, just as not every rowdy drunk is a dole scrounger ... that was kind of my point

oh and btw methadone is for heroin addiction , you don't take it to come off cocaine
 
big soft moose said:
You aren't good at logic are you ?

my deliberate generalisation about financial traders and coke was intended as a parallel to your generalisation about dole scroungers and drink ... of course not every cokehead is a financial services employye, just as not every rowdy drunk is a dole scrounger ... that was kind of my point

oh and btw methadone is for heroin addiction , you don't take it to come off cocaine
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Are the banks full of heroin addicts?
 
Musicman said:
I can prove that many people drinking in City of London pubs kept their jobs because taxpayers paid to keep the banks they work for from going bust.
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What about all the NHS middle tier management and the bureaucratic public secto, the tax payers keep vast tracks of inefficiency, ineptitude and complacency in jobs all the time.
 
ST4 said:
Are the banks full of heroin addicts?
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I doubt it - Heroin is a downer, the risk taking personality tends to be attracted to uppers like coke and Amphetamines (Speedballs excepted of course... they were a yuppie thing as well)
 
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