Demand for cyclists number plates.

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big soft moose said:
Waaay off topic but a lot of higher earners havent "acheived more" - the way wealth is distributed doesnt actually follow free market conditions, if it did farmers,doctors, teachers, policemen, firemen, and soliders would be paid the most , because they provide tangible things we have to have Food, health, education, secuity, safety etc ... most of the proffesions of the truly wealthy don't fall into providing the essentials of society
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doesn't matter, they have more, should get more back innit
 
big soft moose said:
but if the pedestrian wasnt on the road there'd be a 0 in 20 chance of them being killed - so stay on the effing pavement
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What about drivers who parks their whole car/vehicle on the pavement and in doing so, forces mothers with kids in pushchairs who are forced to step on the road in order to get around the parked vehicle? It happens to me, I had to get around a white van that was blocking my path.

Okay, so some drivers moan they pay the VED and cyclist don't then they moan cyclist should get off the road, okay, so if drivers feels paying for the VED enlist them to use the road, then in that case, here's a message to them: Stay on the effing road and stop parking on the pavement that blocks us and that forces most of us to have to use the road to get around!
 
They have more what ? - nif you mean they earn more so they should get more back they do , many people in the supertax bracket are fiddling the system (like having private business entities, and paying 20% on dividends instead of income tax )

Even allowing for the honest ones not fiddling if they start with £100k , pay no tax on the first 10k, 20% on the next 30k, then 40% on the next 60 , they still have an after tax income of £70k which isnt too shabby
 
Major Eazy said:
What about drivers who parks their whole car/vehicle on the pavement and in doing so, forces mothers with kids in pushchairs who are forced to step on the road in order to get around the parked vehicle? It happens to me, I had to get around a white van that was blocking my path.

Okay, so some drivers moan they pay the VED and cyclist don't then they moan cyclist should get off the road, okay, so if drivers feels paying for the VED enlist them to use the road, then in that case, here's a message to them: Stay on the effing road and stop parking on the pavement that blocks us and that forces most of us to have to use the road to get around!
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if the car's illegally parked it should get towed and the driver fined - however the mother with pushchair should still take reasonable care while getting round it on the road,
 
heres a good quote i just found..

"Every citizen has the right to use public highways for free; and that includes motorists, equestrians, wheelchair users, pram pushers, pedestrians and cyclists. Vehicle Excise Duty does not pay for roads and nor does it assign any greater rights for VED payers to use those roads."

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"If VED doesn’t pay for the roads, what does? That’ll be general taxation and council tax. So, even cyclists who don’t own cars are paying for the roads, and for road services. This gives cyclists no more right to the roads than motorists. We’re all equal in law. As general taxation pays for all roads, cyclists pay for a type of road they can never use: motorways"

So @ST4 how much council tax do you pay and we can work out if you have any better right than the rest of us.. :naughty:
 
big soft moose said:
They have more what ? - nif you mean they earn more so they should get more back they do , many people in the supertax bracket are fiddling the system (like having private business entities, and paying 20% on dividends instead of income tax )

Even allowing for the honest ones not fiddling if they start with £100k , pay no tax on the first 10k, 20% on the next 30k, then 40% on the next 60 , they still have an after tax income of £70k which isnt too shabby
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why is paying 40% on 60k plus NI contributions fair?
 
neil_g said:
"Every citizen has the right to use public highways for free;
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but with that right comes the responsibility to do so safely and in a way that doesnt endanger others .. as theres an offence of Driving without due care and attention, Dangerous driving, driving while intoxicated - so there should be for cycling without due care and attienion, dangerously, while intoxicated, and indeed walking (on a public highway) without due care an attention, dangerously, while intoxicated

If we are saying the highway is equally for all, then so is the responsibility of use, and the penalty if you don't
 
ST4 said:
why is paying 40% on 60k plus NI contributions fair?
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because the taxation is proportionate to the ability to pay...
 
big soft moose said:
but with that right comes the responsibility to do so safely and in a way that doesnt endanger others .. as theres an offence of Driving without due care and attention, Dangerous driving, driving while intoxicated - so there should be for cycling without due care and attienion, dangerously, while intoxicated, and indeed walking (on a public highway) without due care an attention, dangerously, while intoxicated

If we are saying the highway is equally for all, then so is the responsibility of use, and the penalty if you don't
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i think you think i was responding to your last post? i wasnt.

although as far as i know it is against the law to operate a bicycle when intoxicated. possibly some of the others too :)
 
ST4 said:
for sure. If you have more money you can live in a better house, live in a nicer area, send your kids to better school, have private healthcare, sit in a nicer carriage on the train with better seats, but still can only drive at 70mph on a motorway and sit in the same jams as people with lesser cars despite paying more in VAT, more in VED, more in everything to have the superior car. Seems to me the roads are the last bastion of that awful marxist fella.
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Sorry, all I'm getting from this is

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neil_g said:
like i said.. a "banker" :p
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you know the collective name is a "wunch"

Its been said before but i really do think ST4 would be better off in america - may be montana , unlimited speedlimits, gun ownership, and live free or die :lol:
 
big soft moose said:
if the car's illegally parked it should get towed and the driver fined - however the mother with pushchair should still take reasonable care while getting round it on the road,
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We do take care when getting around, but we would not have to do that if the vehicle was not parked illegally in the first place.
 
going hugely off topic now..

ST4 said:
How is it fair to for anyone to pay over 50% to the state factoring in council tax, NINO and income tax just because they have done well...
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what about those on minimum wage living on the breadline that end up paying a large amount if not all of their wage on taxes and bills? i guess you want to increase their tax to fill the gap left by decreasing what is paid by the elite?
 
ST4 said:
The rich, who support this country, pay more in relative and absolute terms in tax. How is it fair to tax someone 40% of their income just because they have achieved more to get it high?
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Except this demonstrably false when you take into account indirect taxes, such as VAT. The poorest fifth pay proportionally more of their gross income in taxes than any other group. These taxes all end up in the general pool of taxation.

Moreover, as a proportion of your disposable income*, which is what you have left after paying direct taxes, the better off you are, the less tax you pay. It's a pretty linear relationship.

In absolute terms (£s received by the treasury) the very richest may pay more, but relative to their disposable income, they pay less than anyone else and nearly half the proportion of taxes paid by the poorest.


ONS Data, 2011/12

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/dcp171778_317365.pdf

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* yes, this takes account of any benefits people may receive (see notes on page 2 of the ONS PDF)
 
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ST4 said:
Which is why a flat rate is fair, but these bands are disporpotionate. How is it fair to for anyone to pay over 50% to the state factoring in council tax, NINO and income tax just because they have done well...

to support what, scum?
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From each according to his ability to each according to his need ;)

A flate rate isnt fair because the ability to pay isnt flat.

and actually most of the "scum" who get the tax money are rich scum, consultants, defence contractors, huge building companies on construction contracts etc ... very little gos to benefits cheats despite what the daily heil would have you believe
 
Major Eazy said:
We do take care when getting around, but we would not have to do that if the vehicle was not parked illegally in the first place.
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no argument there - illegally parked vechiles want towing - they are a major pain in the arse for everyone including other drivers.

However you arent the sort of pedestrian i'm talking about - I'm talking about the halfwit who wanders across the road paying no atention on his phone, ipod, etc pasying no attention to whether theres traffic etc

I agree motorists should stick to the highway code ., pedestrians should stick to the green cross code - if everyone behaved responsibly we'd all be a whole lot safer
 
ST4 said:
Which is why a flat rate is fair, but these bands are disporpotionate. How is it fair to for anyone to pay over 50% to the state factoring in council tax, NINO and income tax just because they have done well...

to support what, scum?
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Are you saying that the less well off are all scum?
yes there's some people scamming the benifit system but there a lot more money lost by the top few percent not paying there way
just noticed that bigsoftmoose and others have just said the same thing:)
 
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ST4 said:
Which is why a flat rate is fair, but these bands are disporpotionate. How is it fair to for anyone to pay over 50% to the state factoring in council tax, NINO and income tax just because they have done well...
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Are you really 'doing well'?

Data from the US suggests the top 10% earners are the only people to have benefited from any recovery since the 2008 recession, while incomes for the other 90% of the population have fallen in real terms.

That 90% of the population are the 'scum' to which you so delightfully refer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/27/u...share&smprod=nytcore-ipad&_r=0&abt=0002&abg=1


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The top 1% did even better

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LCPete said:
Are you saying that the less well off are all scum?
yes there's some people scamming the benifit system but there a lot more money lost by the top few percent not paying there way
just noticed that bigsoftmoose and others have just said the same thing:)
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How is paying a bigger chunk of your income not paying your way?
 
ST4 said:
How is paying a bigger chunk of your income not paying your way?
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but how many of them actually pay it ? vs the one who do things like have a personal business entity, have their "salary" paid to it as "consulting fees" then pay a 20% dividend tax instead of what they are supposed to be paying (more than one well known radio 1 DJ for eample) , not to mention offshore bank accounts, tax hedges, fictiocious write offs , paying false salries to family members /mistresses, fiddling expenses and all that jazz.

why is it that falsely claiming £45 per week on social security makes you scum , but illicitly claiming a second home on your expenses makes you a fine upstanding member of parliment ?
 
[QUOTEST4, post: 6517653, member: 48436"]How is paying a bigger chunk of your income not paying your way?[/QUOTE]
I was more talking about the ones that pay little if any tax :)
 
Has anyone else noticed the unfying effect ST4 has on the forum - pretty much everyone thinks hes a complete berk, so those who'd otherwise be arguing about all sorts of stuff all come together in their shared antipathy, thus creating a fellow feeling that wasnt there before ( Like Jeeve's Uncle George) ... I'm beginig to wonder if he's actually admin with a dupe account :lol:
 
big soft moose said:
Has anyone else noticed the unfying effect ST4 has on the forum - pretty much everyone thinks hes a complete berk, so those who'd otherwise be arguing about all sorts of stuff all come together in their shared antipathy, thus creating a fellow feeling that wasnt there before ( Like Jeeve's Uncle George) ... I'm beginig to wonder if he's actually admin with a dupe account :LOL:
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indeed. scrivens got permabanned for less controversy.
 
neil_g said:
indeed. scrivens got permabanned for less controversy.
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This is true, though they did allow his alter ego back again (to be honest Steves saving grace is that he isnt obsessed with the toilet - probably because it doesnt have wheels and an engine)
 
big soft moose said:
but how many of them actually pay it ? vs the one who do things like have a personal business entity, have their "salary" paid to it as "consulting fees" then pay a 20% dividend tax instead of what they are supposed to be paying (more than one well known radio 1 DJ for eample) , not to mention offshore bank accounts, tax hedges, fictiocious write offs , paying false salries to family members /mistresses, fiddling expenses and all that jazz.

why is it that falsely claiming £45 per week on social security makes you scum , but illicitly claiming a second home on your expenses makes you a fine upstanding member of parliment ?
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Plenty of people pay their taxes at the punitive upper rates.
 
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