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Former DJ Dave Lee Travis has been arrested by police investigating the Jimmy Savile child abuse scandal, Sky sources have said.

The one time Radio One star and former presenter of Top Of The Pops, is reportedly being questioned on suspicion of sexual offences.

He was arrested by detectives from the Metropolitan Police's Operation Yewtree at his home in Leighton Buzzard, Bedfordshire, at 7.45am, according to sources.
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The whole sorry saga continues.
 
but then..

"In a statement, the Met said the latest arrest "falls under the strand of the investigation we have termed 'Others'", meaning the allegations are unrelated to Savile."

..so what does that mean exactly?
 
they were all at it :shrug:
 
nigpd said:
I think the word allegedly may be an appropriate add on to your post regardless of any views held on the matter :thinking:
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I think the :shrug: covers that and if you re-read Neil's question at the end of his post it should be self-evident.
 
im going to start calling you grumps.. :p

was a reasonable question i thought, theyre saying sexual offences but theyre not saying against minors, women, men, animals are they?
 
I think it relates to allegations of DLT groping women. Pretty sure Liz Kershaw levelled that accusation at him first.

Cyril Smith has also been implicated as a kiddy fiddler.

Everyone does seem to be at it.

Another Tory politician has also come up as a potential child abuser. Thatcher allegedly knew about it and allegedly sent him packing to another job. From what I've read some flats around Pimlico are a hot bed of vice and rent boys. And worse.

There is still no explanation as to why a D notice issued to prevent the publication of politicians potentially caught within operation ore is still in place. That operation was to catch people paying for child porn. Quite a few high profile people seemed to have been caught and then it all went quiet. I thought it was strange at the time. Blair said it was because of the Iraq war and that's why he issued it. There is no Iraq war now but no-one seems to be in a hurry to have it over turned.

Interesting info on operation ore which suggests they were a bit dim at not considering card fraud...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/apr/19/hitechcrime.money
 
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I think there will be alot more names to come out of the woodwork before all this will go away.
 
From the BBC:

Following the arrest, the BBC said it had postponed the transmission of an edition of Top of the Pops from 1977 hosted by Mr Travis that was due to be shown on BBC Four at 19:30 GMT.

Another edition of Top of the Pops, which was presented by Kid Jensen, will go out in its place.

You could hardly make it up :shake:
 
srichards said:
I think it relates to allegations of DLT groping women. Pretty sure Liz Kershaw levelled that accusation at him first.

Cyril Smith has also been implicated as a kiddy fiddler.
Everyone does seem to be at it.
Another Tory politician has also come up as a potential child abuser. Thatcher allegedly knew about it and allegedly sent him packing to another job. From what I've read some flats around Pimlico are a hot bed of vice and rent boys. And worse.

There is still no explanation as to why a D notice issued to prevent the publication of politicians potentially caught within operation ore is still in place. That operation was to catch people paying for child porn. Quite a few high profile people seemed to have been caught and then it all went quiet. I thought it was strange at the time. Blair said it was because of the Iraq war and that's why he issued it. There is no Iraq war now but no-one seems to be in a hurry to have it over turned.
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To be fair, everyone does seem to be being accused of being at it.
 
I am concerned that we are in danger of trial by media. It is very easy (particularly at present) to make an allegation. We have already had the McAlpine incident and no sooner is Cyril Smith accused and the Rochdale Council take down a Plaque placed in his honour.

I think the whole country just needs to let the police get on with there inquiries, without all the hysteria that seems to be going on at the moment
 
munch said:
I think the whole country just needs to let the police get on with there inquiries, without all the hysteria that seems to be going on at the moment
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I do agree with this, however it does seem to be the case (what's new) that that's just what was left to happen previously.
 
Without wanting to be making light of anything overtly serious in nature, I fail to understand why these people are being arrested for actions which were potentially 'of their time'.:suspect:

I remember growing up in the 70's. We had 'Love thy Neighbour' on TV. Benny Hill was chasing women in stockings/suspenders across the common. The sexy secretary was everywhere on TV. Being a friend of Dorothy was still a hanging offence too (well, it was an offence IIRC). These stereotypes and attitudes were very much of their time, they were generally accepted and they were 'the norm'.

None of what I have mentioned would be tolerated today, either on TV or in society. Why then, are we appearing to use modern legislation retrospectively?

How long before the producers of Alf Garnet or Benny Hill shows are going to be up in court?

Needless to say, I'm looking at the wider context. I'm not just talking about 'kiddie fiddling' and I'm not suggesting that sexual abuse of children has ever been (or should ever be viewed as being) acceptable. I just think that perhaps we are in danger of conducting a witch hunt using modern 'morales' against actions from a different era.:thinking:
 
The press are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't, if they tell us every time someone gets arrested for whatever then I think its great but then on the other hand what happens to these people if it was all over nothing and are totally innocent??
 
FourRingCircus said:
Needless to say, I'm looking at the wider context. I'm not just talking about 'kiddie fiddling' and I'm not suggesting that sexual abuse of children has ever been (or should ever be viewed as being) acceptable. I just think that perhaps we are in danger of conducting a witch hunt using modern 'morales' against actions from a different era.:thinking:
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But isn't this exactly what this is all about and child abuse has never, ever been acceptable :thinking:
 
So gramps if you agree with what I have said why start a thread that
"just fuels the flames" ?
 
FourRingCircus said:
Without wanting to be making light of anything overtly serious in nature, I fail to understand why these people are being arrested for actions which were potentially 'of their time'.:suspect:

I remember growing up in the 70's. We had 'Love thy Neighbour' on TV. Benny Hill was chasing women in stockings/suspenders across the common. The sexy secretary was everywhere on TV. Being a friend of Dorothy was still a hanging offence too (well, it was an offence IIRC). These stereotypes and attitudes were very much of their time, they were generally accepted and they were 'the norm'.

None of what I have mentioned would be tolerated today, either on TV or in society. Why then, are we appearing to use modern legislation retrospectively?

How long before the producers of Alf Garnet or Benny Hill shows are going to be up in court?

Needless to say, I'm looking at the wider context. I'm not just talking about 'kiddie fiddling' and I'm not suggesting that sexual abuse of children has ever been (or should ever be viewed as being) acceptable. I just think that perhaps we are in danger of conducting a witch hunt using modern 'morales' against actions from a different era.:thinking:
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I think shows on telly was people opinions of what was acceptable at the time. we all laughed at them, we all watched them but if we did today we would cringe.

What these celebs are being arrested for is something that was not acceptable then as it is not now.
 
munch said:
So gramps if you agree with what I have said why start a thread that
"just fuels the flames" ?
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Well that's a very bold accusation!
Did I post the thread to "fuel the flames" ... or did I post it because many people, like me, will have grown up with DLT as an entertainment personality of note.
Each one can make up their own minds about why I posted, if like you they feel the need to question it.
 
I'm not sure what 'modern legislation' is being used retrospectively. Assault, indecent or other wise, on any person has long been a criminal offence. It certainly long pre dates all of the things you mention.
 
FourRingCircus said:
Benny Hill was chasing women in stockings/suspenders across the common.
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John, IIRC, Benny Hill was usually being chased by the Angels rather than him chasing them.

Bernie174 said:
I'm not sure what 'modern legislation' is being used retrospectively. Assault, indecent or other wise, on any person has long been a criminal offence. It certainly long pre dates all of the things you mention.
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Bernie, I can't remember the dates but until relatively (and surprisingly) recently, a man could not rape his wife. He could force her to have sex but since she was his wife, it was his right so not rape. Of course, that doesn't make it right but at the time, that was how the law stood.
 
As far as I am aware, no one is being accused of raping their wife...So I still wonder what modern legislation is being used retrospectively?

Interestingly, a man couldn't rape his wife, because of the words of the marriage ceremony. "Love honour and obey". In other words assumed consent. I'm not saying it was right, it was however the result of case law, not as I recall legislation. Either way it has nothing at all to do with DLT, Savile or anything else under discussion.
 
FourRingCircus said:
Being a friend of Dorothy was still a hanging offence too (well, it was an offence IIRC).
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Not in the 70s it wasn't.

Here's an ugly comparison between then and now:

Anyone remember On The Buses? The "Confessions Of..." films? Remember how the women were treated in that? Sex objects. And what's more, they loved it. Having a randy old lech tiptoe up behind them and grope their rear end was portrayed as a compliment being paid.

The women were there to titter and pout and meet the needs of the men.

Anyone got a teenager? Have you seen the way women are portrayed in the shows that Disney and Nickelodeon are churning out? Vapid airheads whose role is to form a queue and wait until it's there turn to have the latest pudding-bowl haired male stick their tongue down their throat. And what's more, they love it. They're there to titter and pout and hope that they get picked.

The only thing that's changed since the 70s is how we justify it.

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Phwooaar!!
 
FourRingCircus said:
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I just think that perhaps we are in danger of conducting a witch hunt using modern 'morales' against actions from a different era.:thinking:
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??

Morals?

It is wrong now just as it was wrong back then

FourRingCircus said:
........ modern legislation retrospectively?
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??

What are you on about?

What they are being acused of was a criminal offence back then as well
 
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What they did back then? You have no idea what DLT did so how do you know if it was an offence or not ?
 
AllyB999 said:
What they did back then? You have no idea what DLT did so how do you know if it was an offence or not ?
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I did not mention DLT

Just as the post I replied to was a generalisation so also was my reply

Stop splitting hairs
 
From www.telegraph.co.uk

There is no suggestion that any allegations of paedophilia have been made against Mr Travis, but two women have come forward in recent weeks claiming he groped them during the 1970s and 1980s.

One of the women, who was aged 17 at the time alleged that Mr Travis had invited her into his studio in 1977 and put his hand up her skirt.
 
So much for innocent till proved guilty in the UK, might as well do away with the courts and just let everyone get a trial by media. As has been said earlier in this thread what happens if some of these people named are actually innocent?
 
What I'm on about is not paedophillia. I'm saying that a cheeky slap on the backside of a woman collegue for example, was acceptable behaviour back in the 70's. Nowadays, it's virtually an arrestable offence, if not a sackable one.

Nobody has suggested that DLT was a Jimmy Saville character. Yet this is the conclusion drawn by the sudden media hype. I'm sure he probably slapped a few backsides in his time but it was considered ok then, it's not now.:nono:
 
munch said:
I am concerned that we are in danger of trial by media. It is very easy (particularly at present) to make an allegation. We have already had the McAlpine incident and no sooner is Cyril Smith accused and the Rochdale Council take down a Plaque placed in his honour.

I think the whole country just needs to let the police get on with there inquiries, without all the hysteria that seems to be going on at the moment
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Only trouble is, the police have been known to not get on with it, where these matters are concerned.
 
AllyB999 said:
So much for innocent till proved guilty in the UK, might as well do away with the courts and just let everyone get a trial by media. As has been said earlier in this thread what happens if some of these people named are actually innocent?
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Islamic Clerics excepted, of course.
 
FourRingCircus said:
Without wanting to be making light of anything overtly serious in nature, I fail to understand why these people are being arrested for actions which were potentially 'of their time'.:suspect:

I remember growing up in the 70's. We had 'Love thy Neighbour' on TV. Benny Hill was chasing women in stockings/suspenders across the common. The sexy secretary was everywhere on TV. Being a friend of Dorothy was still a hanging offence too (well, it was an offence IIRC). These stereotypes and attitudes were very much of their time, they were generally accepted and they were 'the norm'.

None of what I have mentioned would be tolerated today, either on TV or in society. Why then, are we appearing to use modern legislation retrospectively?

How long before the producers of Alf Garnet or Benny Hill shows are going to be up in court?

Needless to say, I'm looking at the wider context. I'm not just talking about 'kiddie fiddling' and I'm not suggesting that sexual abuse of children has ever been (or should ever be viewed as being) acceptable. I just think that perhaps we are in danger of conducting a witch hunt using modern 'morales' against actions from a different era.:thinking:
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If you dare to say that, maybe, just maybe, someone who is suspected of doing something 30 or 40 years ago that was considered to be normal then but which is considered to be totally unacceptable today should be judged by the standard of that time rather than this time, I can virtually guarantee that you will be vilified and will be accused of being exactly the same as the person who is being accused, without evidence, of wrongdoing.

That's what happens on forums.
 
FourRingCircus said:
What I'm on about is not paedophillia. I'm saying that a cheeky slap on the backside of a woman collegue for example, was acceptable behaviour back in the 70's. Nowadays, it's virtually an arrestable offence, if not a sackable one.

Nobody has suggested that DLT was a Jimmy Saville character. Yet this is the conclusion drawn by the sudden media hype. I'm sure he probably slapped a few backsides in his time but it was considered ok then, it's not now.:nono:
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So do you think he's been arrested for cheekily slapping the backside of a woman colleague?
 
Must admit I'm waiting for the knock on my door, I'm over 50 never married no kids and used to watch Top Of The Pops, so I must be guilty of something.
 
fabs said:
So do you think he's been arrested for cheekily slapping the backside of a woman colleague?
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I have absolutely no knowledge of why he has been arrested and that's why I'm trying to have a sense of balance / devils advocate about things. I'm not prepared to start casting any kind of judgement against DLT, or anyone else for that matter. I think the press have got this plaything and will have a go at anyone just now.

Gary, I DO think they should be judged upon the standards of the time. We can't change the past and we shouldn't villify the protaginists of 'normal behaviour' just becasue they had 'celebrity status' (if we are indeed talking about 'normal behaviour' for the time). Show me a 70 year old today who was a boss in the 70's that didn't act exactly the same way. They will not be facing the same kind of public retribution.:|
 
I hear Morph has been arrested too!

He's suspected of being a Playdohphile!. .. ;-)
 
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