Dash Cam footage used to convict bad drivers !

Yeah that was extreme however I would like it to be OK to submit footage to police for consideration
 
Unbelievable. Well done North Yorkshire Police. Smart thinking to use such a blatant case to set a precedent on the use of dashcams.
 
StewartR said:
Unbelievable. Well done North Yorkshire Police. Smart thinking to use such a blatant case to set a precedent on the use of dashcams.
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What you saying sick head drivers have rights too. Wow your such a tool.
 
Paul, I suspect you've misread.
 
Steep said:
Paul, I suspect you've misread.
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I don't know if I did I think Stewart was bying cynical in his quote.
accusing north yorks police of exploited the footage for there gain.
 
Mr Bump said:
I don't know if I did I think Stewart was bying cynical in his quote.
accusing north yorks police of exploited the footage for there gain.
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Whether he did or not who knows

But there is a way to say things and, well, there is a way to say things ;)
 
It seems to me that they used such a strong case as the test bench. The quality, severity of the offence, and visual impact would make it virtually impossible for the defence to mitigate it. Now it's been successful, other less strong cases can be convicted as a result.

I say well played NYP :)
 
Mr Bump said:
Yeah that was extreme however I would like it to be OK to submit footage to police for consideration
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I think the police would become overwhelmed if all the "you tube brigade" who post on how bad other drivers are. showing somebody who has done something marginally wrong, but they can't see how bad they have actually been.
 
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gremlin16 said:
It seems to me that they used such a strong case as the test bench. The quality, severity of the offence, and visual impact would make it virtually impossible for the defence to mitigate it. Now it's been successful, other less strong cases can be convicted as a result.

I say well played NYP :)
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That's exactly what I said, only you phrased it better.
 
StewartR said:
No I wasn't. I meant it exactly as I wrote it.
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Yes you did and I believe my description was accurate you seem to generally follow a set rule of saying what you feel. Oh well.
 
I have front and rear cameras in my car, both high defenition. Sadly I've had to fit them as I drive for a living and the standard of driving in this country declines year on year. I'm not the perfect driver by any means but I have to take defensive driving to further extremes every day.
Who cares really if the Police are using this as a shock example they are just trying to show that people are getting fed up of these cockwomble drivers.
 
It's good to see NYP working with the public. I'm a professional driver and the things that I have witnessed in just over a year of doing this for a living are ridiculous. It has made me more cautious when driving my own car.

I'd welcome South Yorkshire Police implementing a similar scheme. Especially if they worked with firms and collected footage from commercial vehicles.
 
munch said:
I think the police would become overwhelmed if all the "you tube brigade" who post on how bad other drivers are. showing somebody who has done something marginally wrong, but they can't see how bad they have actually been.
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I think it would be worth trying. The people who make "You've Been Framed" manage to cope with being sent tons of videos that someone somewhere thinks are funny, and it's the same principle. It wouldn't be too hard to set up a website allowing people to upload videos, and one person could review an awful lot of video quite quickly to see whether it's sufficiently "interesting".
 
StewartR said:
I think it would be worth trying. The people who make "You've Been Framed" manage to cope with being sent tons of videos that someone somewhere thinks are funny, and it's the same principle. It wouldn't be too hard to set up a website allowing people to upload videos, and one person could review an awful lot of video quite quickly to see whether it's sufficiently "interesting".
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One person? Really, that's like saying one bloke can answer the phones for the whole force :)

Its just not one bloke to see if its interesting, I would be a huge strain on resources, as the stupid b*****d libtards would have a field day. I know my rights brigade would post a huge amount of crap on there.
 
andyscott said:
One person? Really, that's like saying one bloke can answer the phones for the whole force :)

Its just not one bloke to see if its interesting, I would be a huge strain on resources, as the stupid b*****d libtards would have a field day. I know my rights brigade would post a huge amount of crap on there.
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I think Stewart was pointing out that 1 person (officer or trained civil servant) reviewing footage is more efficient than the same person driving around with a camera trying to catch someone in the act.

How about a crowd sourced shortlisting process? If enough joe-public vote on a video then it gets officially reviewed
 
andyscott said:
One person? Really, that's like saying one bloke can answer the phones for the whole force :)
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No it's not, not the same thing at all. I said one person could review a lot of video. I didn't say one person could review it all.

It's a low cost experiment. Do it on a small scale. Don't worry if there's too much video for one person to review, because at the moment none of it is being reviewed. Have a look at how many videos that are sent in are useful and usable, estimate the cost effectiveness of the process, and then decide whether it's worth expanding.

Uneducated_Rick said:
How about a crowd sourced shortlisting process? If enough joe-public vote on a video then it gets officially reviewed
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Or this. Great idea, and I'm sure the public, would want to help. There's plenty of scope to be creative here, at low cost, and if it helps catch more people like the moron featured above, it's got to be worth considering.
 
Uneducated_Rick said:
I think Stewart was pointing out that 1 person (officer or trained civil servant) reviewing footage is more efficient than the same person driving around with a camera trying to catch someone in the act.

How about a crowd sourced shortlisting process? If enough joe-public vote on a video then it gets officially reviewed
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You are putting too much faith in the public. Remember most on here are sensible people, the majority of people the police come into contact with are not.

The way in which the Criminal Protection Service works, dash cams and evidence from the public can be challenged a lot more than a police approved recording device, and the statement of a police officer (or two). The success of all but serious offences would be successfully defended.
How many who send the dash cam in would give a statement, go to court if called, and most would be for a trial? Say take a day off work to sit in a witness care room for a few hours?
 
StewartR said:
because at the moment none of it is being reviewed.
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That's not true, if it is a serious offence, it is being reviewed at least in Northumbria. Just like any other person reporting a crime.
 
You can already report non-emergency crimes online and give details of motoring offences. As it stands you can describe what evidence you have and if from your description the police think it is something worth pursuing they can get in touch to obtain a copy.
It wouldn't take much to add an upload facility to the current form.

You have to give plenty of information about yourself, so I can't see many people being daft enough to spend time filling out all the required info just to upload spammy videos and risk being done themselves for wasting police time.

https://report.police.uk/
 
bass_junkie83 said:
so I can't see many people being daft enough to spend time filling out all the required info just to upload spammy videos and risk being done themselves for wasting police time.
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Hardly anyone gets charged with that, because, its a waste of police time to sort it out.

I am sure the service users in the criminal justice system would think different. Many of them have plenty of times on their hands ;) Look at the sheer volume of stupid referrals the IPCC get, from idiots.
 
bass_junkie83 said:
You can already report non-emergency crimes online and give details of motoring offences. As it stands you can describe what evidence you have and if from your description the police think it is something worth pursuing they can get in touch to obtain a copy.
It wouldn't take much to add an upload facility to the current form.

You have to give plenty of information about yourself, so I can't see many people being daft enough to spend time filling out all the required info just to upload spammy videos and risk being done themselves for wasting police time.

https://report.police.uk/
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You also have to be prepared you give a statement to back up your footage and be prepared to attend court if required

I doubt many of the dashcam warriors will be happy about standing in the witness box as most who submit footage will be the type that wave their arms and flash their lights when they get overtaken doing 40 in a 60

I've come across a few like that old farts that can't drive anywhere near the national limit and don't want anyone else to
 
wack61 said:
I doubt many of the dashcam warriors will be happy about standing in the witness box as most who submit footage will be the type that wave their arms and flash their lights when they get overtaken doing 40 in a 60
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I'm really struggling to follow your reasoning here. These "dashcam warriors" as you describe them are people who believe that their own style of driving is very safe, and that they're surrounded by dangerous loons. Surely they're exactly the kind of people who *will* be prepared to follow through.
 
I think you're missing the bigger picture here.

When the footage is submitted you give up all rights, allowing the police to use it as they see fit, supposedly for publicity, education, prosecution. However with the cash strapped police forces these days, I could imaging the footage being sold to a TV company for broadcast
 
Just look at the footage you see on youtube compared to the amount of prosecutions reported, they just want anonymous retribution
 
wack61 said:
Just look at the footage you see on youtube compared to the amount of prosecutions reported, they just want anonymous retribution
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Swamped with footage from dash cam warriors? There's an awful lot around of putting themselves into a situation so they can be 'wronged'. I've no problem with truly awful driving, but many videos seem to be caused by impatience or deliberate poor driving from the dash cam owner

i.e.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fga_MyXkKK8

Van stops to pick up mate, no the best place to stop but actually causes no inconvenience

Probably this explains it best
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB_MBna0irI


I'll put myself into that position, then continuously flash the police car because I've a dashcam
 
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I've caught many many knobs driving badly on my dashcams fitted but dashcam or not I've done the same as I always have , swore at them under my breath and carried on with my day

However if I saw something as bad as this which IMO is far worse than the footage that incensed Mr bump so much I'd report them without question FF to 1:33


View: https://youtu.be/vrpyd0R3vdk
 
Is it my imagination but do many of those dash cam people seem to be honking cars in left hand lanes when it is up to them to merge as the merge arrow is their lane not on the lane the other car is in?
 
what i find amusing is 5 years ago all the awfull driving vids were from lithuania and poland etc and now all the vids are from in the uk
i wonder what the link is......................
 
You'll also find a lot of dashcam footage on YouTube makes the driver with the dashcam look a total tool but they think they're a driving God, like on roundabouts , instead of hanging back defensively just in case the driver in lane 2 changes to lane 1 exiting the roundabout they undertake to position themselves in the blind spot then as the car in lane 2 crosses over they brake hard and get on the lights and horn usually shouting you w****r that's going on YouTube

Mind you I have caught the odd twunt like this Arnold Clark test drive, the straight after the last roundabout used to be 60 , it's now 40 , as I turn the corner the yellow RS is just exiting the roundabout , I recon he must have hit 90+ down there

View: https://youtu.be/t6glXE-z3ZU
 
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