Cyclists - what's with the head cams?

To be fair the lawyer was saying the wording of the legislation those very vague/board rules referred to was open to interpretation. But hey, only saying.

And I'd still like to know who's going to pay for all of those calibrated bicycle speedos .. :p

Chances are I'll never ride (the road) though a royal park so I'm fairly safe either way :)

I'm a bit confused as to how someone gets a conditional discharge for speeding? speeding in itself isn't a criminal offence so how can you be handed a criminal conviction for it.
 
There's also Careless Cycling, Reckless Cycling, Cycling Under the Influence, even cycling on the pavement where pedestrians have right of way is a specific offence.
I think enforcement of all of them is about as rare as hen's teeth though :LOL:

actually they are enforced frequently. the bike police (as in police on bikes) set up in london to give cyclists tickets. there are videos online oddly of this.
 
it should be insured and subject to a safety inspection each year.

I would simply be unmanageable. And comparing a car to a bike just not logical.

For those who commute by bike need to constantly maintain it, but its easy stuff, you can do it yourself - its changing break pads, tightening cables, oiling your chain. Those 3 things make up the bulk of what makes a bike safe.

Also, am yet to hear of anyone killed by a bike that's down to mechanical error.


I also believe that all road users should be licensed before using public roads and should also have to pass a cycling test to be issued a license.


Would you be able to describe the "public road" as public if only those who could use it where licensed?

As for licensing in general.....Be careful what you wish for. If it happened expect cyclists to be taught all kinds of things motorists generally don't like ;)

In all fairness though It does get discussed from time to time, and it never gets anywhere. Generally the health (nhs and the like) and the environmentalist groups point out how counterproductive it is to put people off free active transport.

It would have knock on effect in all sorts of ways. Imagine a situation where kids couldn't cycle to school, or down the road to see there mates. Or some granny had to stop using her bike that shes happy used for 40 years.

I think (and I could be wrong) that most people who want cyclists licensed do so because of reckless cyclists, most of which (I would guess) and the young, probably middle class lot who cycle in towns and cites. Or those middle aged chaps in Lycra. Its worth pointing out that most of them (especially MAMLs) already hold a full driving license. And if they act like idiots its not because they don't know better, its because they are idiots ;)

But it should be.


It kinda is...kinda.......Its like hands free in a car - its technically not against the HWC but it will be taken into account of you crash/cycle/drive into someone.
 
It kinda is...kinda.......Its like hands free in a car - its technically not against the HWC but it will be taken into account of you crash/cycle/drive into someone.

You seem to regard the highway code as a sort of driving / riding bible. It isn't.
A great deal of advice in there isn't covered by law and is simply.....advice. (Old advice at that)
 
You seem to regard the highway code as a sort of driving / riding bible. It isn't.
A great deal of advice in there isn't covered by law and is simply.....advice. (Old advice at that)


Show me better rule book that the police will allow me to follow and Ill happy follow that instead :)
 
Is there still an offence of "pedalling furiously"? I'd love to get a conviction for that. It's second only to piracy for things I'd like on my criminal record.

[It may actually be an urban myth - but there's a petition on GovYou to repeal it....]
 
Show me better rule book that the police will allow me to follow and Ill happy follow that instead :)

There isn't one.
Try just using a bit of common.
 
Is there still an offence of "pedalling furiously"? I'd love to get a conviction for that. It's second only to piracy for things I'd like on my criminal record.

[It may actually be an urban myth - but there's a petition on GovYou to repeal it....]

Might be a myth (I have no idea), but I remember that too :lol:
 
But it should be.


Why would it matter? Car/Van/Lorry drivers don't comply with it. Which is why there's so many adverts os people crashing caused by texting or not paying attention in general - for them to ignore, on tv.

EVERY day I see at least one driver on their mobile while driving or stuffing their gob with deli rolls or chocolate, I've seen people drive while eating McDonald's and subway!

And I see this mostly as a pedestrian. I cycle a bit but not daily.
 
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Easy to say, but the guy on the bike might just as easily kick your arse. I don't think being a bike gives you a disadvantage if confronted aggressively.

I've been almost knocked off the road by idiot drivers when on the bike. Had a few of them stop after I gave them the finger - did they think i was going to turn and fly away? They sped off as quick once they seen me coming for them. I stick to the rules, I stay in close to the curb as possible, plenty of room to drive past me without having to swerve in any way. I stop at lights, indicate when about to turn and all that good stuff. If someone tried taking advantage just because they're safe inside a steel box, I will let them know how I feel about their stupidity. You're putting my life at risk by trying to bully me off the road for no reason.

It goes both ways, there's D'heads out there on the road, and it doesn't matter what form of transport they use. There's decent drivers, decent cyclists ... etc - it's all about following the rules and being safe. Not who's right or wrong or who'll bash who. If both parties abide by the rules, then there should never be an issue, or this idiotic hatred towards people because of what they use to get about.


Oh stop being all alpha male... yes, he might kick my ass... he might not. Someone kicks, thumps or otherwise abused my vehicle though, tough... they're gonna get a whack. If they can best me.. good luck to them. The end.
 
Is there still an offence of "pedalling furiously"? I'd love to get a conviction for that. It's second only to piracy for things I'd like on my criminal record.

[It may actually be an urban myth - but there's a petition on GovYou to repeal it....]

s35 of the Offences Against the Person Act 1861 is the legislation you're probably thinking of

Offences Against the Person Act 1861 said:
35 Drivers of carriages injuring persons by furious driving.

Whosoever, having the charge of any carriage or vehicle, shall by wanton or furious driving or racing, or other wilful misconduct, or by wilful neglect, do or cause to be done any bodily harm to any person whatsoever, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and being convicted thereof shall be liable, at the discretion of the court, to be imprisoned for any term not exceeding two years

As used in a case where a cyclist riding on the pavement struck and killed an 84 year old pedestrian in August 2008

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/8197430.stm

This was one of five cases in the UK between 1999 and 2009 where a cyclist killed a pedestrian on the pavement. As far as I can discover, it has not been needed to be used since then.

FWIW, in the 2008-12 period, an average of 39 pedestrians on the pavement were killed by motor vehicles every year.

Source: CTC
 
Thanks - so no actual law against pedalling furiously but quite rightly a law if you hurt somebody while doing it. Seems fair.

BTW I no longer want a criminal record for that - I'll stick to piracy on the high seas.
 
Oh stop being all alpha male... yes, he might kick my ass... he might not. Someone kicks, thumps or otherwise abused my vehicle though, tough... they're gonna get a whack. If they can best me.. good luck to them. The end.

Er, that's basically what I was telling you. "I'd blacken his eye yada yada" ... aye, what if he's 6'5" and built like The rock? ... or ... me? :D

It's just you hear people mouth that kind of spiel all the time. I'd do this that and the other ... often same people wouldn't say boo to anyone when it comes to it.
 
Er, that's basically what I was telling you. "I'd blacken his eye yada yada" ... aye, what if he's 6'5" and built like The rock? ... or ... me? :D


It's funny how comments like mine bring out the need in other men to mention how hard they are. :)


It's just you hear people mouth that kind of spiel all the time. I'd do this that and the other ... often same people wouldn't say boo to anyone when it comes to it.

Yeah yeah... bugs you does it.. being such a big hard guy and all that.

I couldn't give a monkeys how hard they are.. damage my car, they get hit. If it turns out bad for me, that's to bad for me then isn't it. I don't see why you'd care, unless you're the type of person I'm talking about here.

Someone has to stand up to bullies. Just like the ones at school... I smacked them in the face too. Sometimes I'd get a good kicking for my troubles, but they never bullied me again, and on a few occasions, they actually stopped bullying others too: Worth it IMO. Sometimes you just have to take a beating to get any worthwhile results. It's not about being a hard man (as I'm not any such thing.. whatever that actually means any way), it's about letting bullies know that being able to throw their fists around doesn't give them impunity to do what they want. The videos I've seen of militant cyclists smacking people's mirrors out of shape, thumping car roofs (the easiest part of a car to dent) and other knobbish behaviour, just because they were a bit closer than they liked etc, just makes these people bullies. If you have a head cam, and you feel a diver has done something illegal or wrong, just pass the footage to the police instead of going on a vigilante style crusade on the internet. The former is just the sensible thing to do, the latter just makes you a prick,

In my experience though Keith... proper hard men don't behave like that any way. I know a couple of people I'd describe as proper hard men, and they're absolute gents, and the absolute opposite of a bully.
 
It's funny how comments like mine bring out the need in other men to mention how hard they are. :)




Yeah yeah... bugs you does it.. being such a big hard guy and all that.

I couldn't give a monkeys how hard they are.. damage my car, they get hit. If it turns out bad for me, that's to bad for me then isn't it. I don't see why you'd care, unless you're the type of person I'm talking about here.

Someone has to stand up to bullies. Just like the ones at school... I smacked them in the face too. Sometimes I'd get a good kicking for my troubles, but they never bullied me again, and on a few occasions, they actually stopped bullying others too: Worth it IMO. Sometimes you just have to take a beating to get any worthwhile results. It's not about being a hard man (as I'm not any such thing.. whatever that actually means any way), it's about letting bullies know that being able to throw their fists around doesn't give them impunity to do what they want. The videos I've seen of militant cyclists smacking people's mirrors out of shape, thumping car roofs (the easiest part of a car to dent) and other knobbish behaviour, just because they were a bit closer than they liked etc, just makes these people bullies. If you have a head cam, and you feel a diver has done something illegal or wrong, just pass the footage to the police instead of going on a vigilante style crusade on the internet. The former is just the sensible thing to do, the latter just makes you a prick,

In my experience though Keith... proper hard men don't behave like that any way. I know a couple of people I'd describe as proper hard men, and they're absolute gents, and the absolute opposite of a bully.


Nothing bugs me David, or brings out anything in me. Certainly not on a photo-forum! :D I was just making an observation. There's bullies and there's mouths. I'm neither, and don't like either. Simple. I'm no wannabe hard man, I just have a wicked temper that puts the s***s up people because it's the type that don't give a monkey's if I get hurt or not. To get me there though you'd have to really push it. Swerving across me when I'm on the bike, putting me and possibly others at risk, will do it, aye.
 
The videos I've seen of militant cyclists smacking people's mirrors out of shape, thumping car roofs (the easiest part of a car to dent) and other knobbish behaviour, just because they were a bit closer than they liked etc, just makes these people bullies. If you have a head cam, and you feel a diver has done something illegal or wrong, just pass the footage to the police instead of going on a vigilante style crusade on the internet.

Being too close is an issue though - its a f***en terrifying one too. And its probably the main way cyclists are bullied on the roads. There's no excuse for it, yet it happens all the time. Its worrying so many are dismissive of it.

I don't condone arsholes (and maybe we are talking about different people here), but I definitely condone hitting a car as a reaction to make the driver aware you're there. In the split second someone misses you by a inch or three, or better yet looks like they are going to crush you, its your only option. You have no time to think, only panic. But chasing after a car to give it a kick in - no don't condone that.

As for the rest of your rant - seems a little hypocritical. You're excusing hitting someone in one line, and in another expecting people to let the police handle it.
 
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I would simply be unmanageable. And comparing a car to a bike just not logical.

For those who commute by bike need to constantly maintain it, but its easy stuff, you can do it yourself - its changing break pads, tightening cables, oiling your chain. Those 3 things make up the bulk of what makes a bike safe.

Also, am yet to hear of anyone killed by a bike that's down to mechanical error.
I have a Peugeot hard tail mountain bike tucked away in the shed. It was only used on the road and maintained as you say, but you wouldn't expect to have to check on the handle bar stem though. For whatever reason my stem fractured inside the frame, coming apart and out of the frame, just as I was pulling out across a cross roads. Fortunately it happened whilst still in the side turning but it left me standing with the bike laying on the floor between my legs and the handle bars in my hands. The faces on the drivers was a picture though.
 
stems dont go into the frames these days unless its either really old or really cheap. both of which should require more regular maintenance by the owner, not necessarily an annual check.
 
stems dont go into the frames these days unless its either really old or really cheap. both of which should require more regular maintenance by the owner, not necessarily an annual check.
It probably is old, my mates son worked in a bike shop at the time and tried to get a replacement stem, but no-one made one the same size diameter anymore.
 
fwiw many moons ago i used to work for a cycle hire place. while is wasnt a common occurrence we did have a couple of examples where the old style stem (that did go into the frame steerer tube) bolt sheered causing the stem to come out. and those bikes were serviced after every ride.
 
The videos I've seen of militant cyclists smacking people's mirrors out of shape, thumping car roofs (the easiest part of a car to dent) and other knobbish behaviour, just because they were a bit closer than they liked etc, just makes these people bullies.

If you're passing someone on a bike (or a horse, or a pedestrian) and they can reach out and touch your car (let alone rap it on the roof) then you're probably driving too close to them in the first place.
 
fwiw many moons ago i used to work for a cycle hire place. while is wasnt a common occurrence we did have a couple of examples where the old style stem (that did go into the frame steerer tube) bolt sheered causing the stem to come out. and those bikes were serviced after every ride.

if that is happening despite servicing I would suggest the mechanic was doing more damage than good.
 
If you're passing someone on a bike (or a horse, or a pedestrian) and they can reach out and touch your car (let alone rap it on the roof) then you're probably driving too close to them in the first place.

If you say so.
 
If you say so.

I do.

As do 24 states in the US, which set the legal minimum for passing a bicycle under 30 mph at 3 feet or more for reasons of safety (often increasing by 1 foot per additional 10 mph) and countries in Europe such as Germany and Spain which set it at 1.5m. France sets it at 1.5m also, but reduces its legal minimum to 1m in urban areas. Queensland, Australia introduced a 1m rule in May [PDF, 157 KB - Department of Transport and Main Roads]

UK DfT guidance for passing distances can be found on page 17 of this document, issued in 2008.

They may surprise you.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...9150/ltn-2-08_Cycle_infrastructure_design.pdf

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I was trying to be tactful would you rather me say you are talking b*****ks? :p

if youre suggesting nobody was using a torque wrench then thats exactly what you are doing ;)

it was fairly common on a particular make and model of lower end cycle back in the day from what i remember. baring in mind this was 16 years ago.
 
I'm currently looking at the go pro for £100 after having been involved in a incident recently where a taxi driver pulled over without braking or indication and i was travelling at same speed he was i had to slam on with the evasive action i turned to go around him rather then get hit by the car but in doing so knocked the chain off my back causing me to lock up and getting hit by another cyclist

the taxi driver started to give me load blaming me but the cyclist behind back me up and also 30 people who witnessed it outside the pub never seen some one go so quiet

wasn't until i calmed down and realised when the cyclist hit me he bent my wheel costing me £80

didn't have no details of the car but if i had a helmet cam that would of been great to give to the police
 
Thanks - so no actual law against pedalling furiously but quite rightly a law if you hurt somebody while doing it. Seems fair.
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There is an offence of riding or driving (carriages) furiously - its in the town police act of I think 1841 , since a cycle is legally a carriage you can be done under that - although tbh you'd probably have to go out of your way to p*** the police off first
 
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