Conspiracy theories

I just assume they really did go, as, like others hace said, the Russians would love to "out" them
Just a shame Nasa ignore absolute facts and if they do respond, it's obviously (to me) a lie. Once a person, or agency are proven liars, its hard to believe what they say and actually causes people to look for the most insignificant discrepancies
 
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Ricardodaforce said:
That's not the case though. The problem the Russians had was that their moon rocket, the N1, exploded every time it was launched. They had already built their lander (fascinating pics on the web), but had no means to get it to the moon.
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Very likely. I don't know enough about radiation or the serious bits of space travel to be able to say one way or the other.
I'll have to look up the Russian's lander module though, as I don't recall ever seeing any pictures of it.

Another related theory is the one that Gagarin was the second man the Russians sent up there, but they hushed up the first one as they weren't able to get him down again.
There's also the intercepted radio transmissions which appear to be from a Russian space vehicle malfunctioning.

Lovely stuff. I do like a good conspiracy theory.
 
Did anyone watch the Robert Anton Wilson interview I linked to? He had CT sorted in his head. The problem with them is that too much studying of them leads people to start taking everything too seriously until they're seeing CT everywhere. A healthy dose of model agnosticism is the cure.
 
HMansfield said:
Very likely. I don't know enough about radiation or the serious bits of space travel to be able to say one way or the other.
I'll have to look up the Russian's lander module though, as I don't recall ever seeing any pictures of it.

Another related theory is the one that Gagarin was the second man the Russians sent up there, but they hushed up the first one as they weren't able to get him down again.
There's also the intercepted radio transmissions which appear to be from a Russian space vehicle malfunctioning.

Lovely stuff. I do like a good conspiracy theory.
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The Russian lunar lander is much smaller and required a space walk to get into! It was a single man craft, and Alexey Leonov was going to be their "first man".
The alleged first Cosmonaut theory has largely been debunked. The theory was that his craft went astray and ended up in China. The Chinese then detained him.
The "lost cosmonauts" audio tapes have also been dismissed as fakes.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
The "lost cosmonauts" audio tapes have also been dismissed as fakes.
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That's just what they want you to think. :schtum:

I've never heard the theory that pre-Gagarin ended up in China. Usually it's a case of him going up, something going wrong, and then Russia whistling and looking at the ceiling while he waits for his air supply to run out.

Mind you, he'd still be in orbit if that were the case, and the ISS crew would be nicking his wheel trims.
 
HMansfield said:
I've never heard the theory that pre-Gagarin ended up in China. Usually it's a case of him going up, something going wrong, and then Russia whistling and looking at the ceiling while he waits for his air supply to run out.
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Here you go. Enjoy :thumbs:
 
Ricardodaforce said:
It's not worth anyone's time! There are thousands of sites purporting to "prove" it didn't happen.

Occam's razor.
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Oh dear. You've just outed yourself as a pseudoskeptic.

I suggest you learn what Occam's razor actually means. You might find it is not applicable.
 
The23rdman said:
Oh dear. You've just outed yourself as a pseudoskeptic.

I suggest you learn what Occam's razor actually means. You might find it is not applicable.
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"other things being equal, a simpler explanation is better than a more complex one."

The simpler explanation is that they went to the moon.
 
By the way, did you know that very landing site was first photographed from orbit by a JAPANESE satellite? Yes, not an American one......

But if I follow the logic of this thread. To fool the world that the Americans went to the moon 9 times, and landed 6 times, they:
Undertook a program of single-astronaut space flights, starting in 1961, to demonstrate that humans can function in space.
Followed that with a program of 2-man spaceflights, starting in 1965, to refine the concepts of long-duration spaceflight, orbital rendezvous etc.
Got different contractors to build huge rockets, three different space craft, space suits, software, computer hardware and softwatr, killed 5 astronauts and created a whole industry in which 400,000 people were employed.
Sent those craft to the moon, and returned them somehow bringing back kilos of moon rock in the process.
All without actually sending man to the moon....

Or...
Maybe project Mercury didn't happen? Unlike the USSR, the American's showed their launches on live TV.
Maybe project Gemini didn't happen? What were millions watching on TV when they tuned to events at Cape Canaveral?
Maybe project Apollo didn't happen.....

Come on guys, anyone that seriously doubts that the program of space flights from 1961 to 1972 was faked is a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

And for those that have said that they did launch the Apollo missions, but hid them in Earth orbit....well that truly is stupid. As if the USSR couldn't track Apollo space craft eh? Well the USSR tracked them well enough to enable one of their own Soyuz craft to dock with one!
 
The23rdman said:
Homework time.
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please tell me how the teachings of a 13 century Roman Catholic philosopher have any bearing whatsoever with Men landing on the moon in the 1960's

your case seems to be baffle us with BS
the cold hard facts are that NASA have landed craft on the moon which are still there today and any astronomer with a good 14" telescope can see to this day and also can be seen are the Tyre marks where the buggies drove around
so please enlighten me as to how our telescope's can see that

credible Astronomers Like Brian Cox and Sir Patrick Moore have little time for the conspiracy theorists
I remember during Stargazing Live last year Brian Cox basically said anyone who thinks the moon Landings did not happen 'your on the wrong channel' so please turn over now which had the audience in stitches
 
And breeeeath. Like most pseudos you have jumped straight into believing that I think the moon landings were faked. Where have I said that? When? I posted an interesting link that I thought worthy of investigation as it appears there is a case that some of the photos may not be as they seem. That is not me believing. See, I'm a true skeptic and keep an open mind to all possibilities without idolising one.

The second link was to show that Occam's razor was never meant to be used in the way you used it.

Merry Christmas. ;)
 
By the way, I consider that celebrity astronomer, Brian Cox, to be a massive pseudoskeptic. I've experienced things that he already knows cannot exist. That is not science.
 
The23rdman said:
And breeeeath. Like most pseudos you have jumped straight into believing that I think the moon landings were faked. Where have I said that? When? I posted an interesting link that I thought worthy of investigation as it appears there is a case that some of the photos may not be as they seem. That is not me believing. See, I'm a true skeptic and keep an open mind to all possibilities without idolising one.

The second link was to show that Occam's razor was never meant to be used in the way you used it.

Merry Christmas. ;)
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Thing is, there are thousands of websites purporting to offer evidence of the hoax. But there is overwhelming evidence that this magnificent endeavour did take place. Most proponents of the conspiracy theory have little or no knowledge of the American/Soviet race to the moon, and base their outlandish theories on what they read on Icke-like websites or sensationalist TV shows. Indeed, in this very thread we've had a poster who admitted his "knowledge" came from one such show.
If people actually want to know the story, then I recommend the following books:

A Man on the Moon by Andrew Chaikin

Into That Silent Sea by Francis French and Colin Burgess

In the Shadow of the Moon by French and Burgess

Footprints in the Dust by Burgess

The first one is considered the definitive work chronicling the Apollo program. The last three form an excellent trilogy starting with the Mercury program and ending with Apollo.

It really is a fascinating story and one that, sadly, few people know about.

Also available on iTunes are audio recording of the Apollo astronauts on the way to, on the, and on the way back from the moon. Makes for fascinating listening.
 
The23rdman said:
I've experienced things that he already knows cannot exist. That is not science.
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That sounds much more interesting. Please, go on...
 
Ricardodaforce said:
Thing is, there are thousands of websites purporting to offer evidence of the hoax. But there is overwhelming evidence that this magnificent endeavour did take place. Most proponents of the conspiracy theory have little or no knowledge of the American/Soviet race to the moon, and base their outlandish theories on what they read on Icke-like websites or sensationalist TV shows. Indeed, in this very thread we've had a poster who admitted his "knowledge" came from one such show.
If people actually want to know the story, then I recommend the following books:

A Man on the Moon by Andrew Chaikin

Into That Silent Sea by Francis French and Colin Burgess

In the Shadow of the Moon by French and Burgess

Footprints in the Dust by Burgess

The first one is considered the definitive work chronicling the Apollo program. The last three form an excellent trilogy starting with the Mercury program and ending with Apollo.

It really is a fascinating story and one that, sadly, few people know about.

Also available on iTunes are audio recording of the Apollo astronauts on the way to, on the, and on the way back from the moon. Makes for fascinating listening.
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I agree totally. This is a little different though and approaches from an angle I've never seen before. I've often thought some of the photos looked a bit odd, but couldn't figure out why. It's worth a look as it's not full of hyperbole.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
And for those that have said that they did launch the Apollo missions, but hid them in Earth orbit....well that truly is stupid. As if the USSR couldn't track Apollo space craft eh? Well the USSR tracked them well enough to enable one of their own Soyuz craft to dock with one!
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The CTers will ALWAYS come up with some stupid theory to suit their deluded beliefs,

So the Russians also wanted to make their own population believe that the USSR was as powerful as the USA so colluded with NASA over the docking of the two craft.

For some there is nothing that will ever convince them, and it's just not worth the effort trying to educate them, I have a workmate who thinks EVERYTHING is a USA/government lie and will not believe until he has actually been on the moon himself, all evidence from every nation is just a USA led lie.

As for NASA keeping it all a secret and they never really went, then how did they convince the Russian, British,Australians to keep quite who were all involved it the tracking of Apollo missions and lets not forget the first space walk tv broadcast came from honeysuckle in Australia and not from NASA.
 
acetone said:
The CTers will ALWAYS come up with some stupid theory to suit their deluded beliefs,

So the Russians also wanted to make their own population believe that the USSR was as powerful as the USA so colluded with NASA over the docking of the two craft.

For some there is nothing that will ever convince them, and it's just not worth the effort trying to educate them, I have a workmate who thinks EVERYTHING is a USA/government lie and will not believe until he has actually been on the moon himself, all evidence from every nation is just a USA led lie.

As for NASA keeping it all a secret and they never really went, then how did they convince the Russian, British,Australians to keep quite who were all involved it the tracking of Apollo missions and lets not forget the first space walk tv broadcast came from honeysuckle in Australia and not from NASA.
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As noted before, any decent CTist knows the governments of the world are all Illuminati puppets.
 
Buttkicker said:
your case seems to be baffle us with BS
the cold hard facts are that NASA have landed craft on the moon which are still there today and any astronomer with a good 14" telescope can see to this day and also can be seen are the Tyre marks where the buggies drove around
so please enlighten me as to how our telescope's can see that
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I'm not a moon landing sceptic, but there isn't a telescope in existence powerful enough to see evidence of the landings.
 
posiview said:
Surely that can't be correct (thinking).
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You'd need a telescope with a primary mirror of about 100 metre diameter to resolve any evidence the moon landings left behind.
 
Fortunately we have the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter that has taken photos of the landing sites at sufficient resolution to show stuff still there, and the tracks of the Lunar Rovers on the later missions.
 
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