Common sense prevails

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Byker28i said:
Are we back onto the amount the UK government has to bail out the Scottish Govts budget every year? :D
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Hope so, keep sending, even though I think I read we contribute more per head to gdp. I may be wrong so maybe better send some more ;)
 
Can anybody explain a logical flaw in the following plan?

1. Stop building Trident
2. Pay the workers just the same money to do something else. I guess they are good at boats so they could make boats - doesn't matter if it's profitable or not because it can't cost as much as making nuclear subs and there's also a chance you might sell some.
3. Spend the spare cash on other frivolous stuff like health, education and villas in Tuscany
4. Tell nobody about this - if everybody thinks we have Trident then that's as good as having Trident

In fact, do we have any real proof that we're not currently doing this? After all, the industry in point 2 could be pretending to build nuclear subs. Also, lots of politicians seem to have villas in Tuscany.
 
ST4 said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-31015075

False imprisonment my bum, if you are in fear for your life you would be grateful to be kept safe/fed/watered.

Why should Australia let them loose in their country and run the risk of them not resurfacing if the claim is rejected.
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To get this thread back onto the subject raised by the OP. It may have been a good idea just to throw all the supposed ass. seekers into the drink :exit:
 
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arclight said:
To get this thread back onto the subject raised by the OP. It may have been a good idea just to throw all the supposed ass. seekers into the drink :exit:
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Whilst I wouldn't shed a tear if that happened, asylum claimants under law do have a right to safety if the claim is genuine.

What they don't have the right to do is if that claim is rejected is to stay that country illegally which a lot do. Hence the correct approach is to detain them and keep them safe. It also keeps them safe from assassination from militant nut cases.

However if people try to circumvent the asylum process and just smuggle themselves in, a bullet to the head or a permanent swim in the drink is the correct response.
 
ST4 said:
However if people try to circumvent the asylum process and just smuggle themselves in, a bullet to the head or a permanent swim in the drink is the correct response.
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I do have a slight problem with this approach though.

It has been shown that, even amongst groups of hardened killers, the stress of constant killing has a serious negative psychological impact.

Out of concern for our brave law enforcement officers, I would like to make a modest proposal.

Capture illegals should be offered the opportunity of asylum if they agree to form the death squads.

Of course, that opportunity would not guarantee asylum, but they needn't know that.

Seems fair, decent and rational, don't you think?
 
simon ess said:
I do have a slight problem with this approach though.

It has been shown that, even amongst groups of hardened killers, the stress of constant killing has a serious negative psychological impact.

Out of concern for our brave law enforcement officers, I would like to make a modest proposal.

Capture illegals should be offered the opportunity of asylum if they agree to form the death squads.

Of course, that opportunity would not guarantee asylum, but they needn't know that.

Seems fair, decent and rational, don't you think?
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I favour the military would take over the process. It would help train them and more importantly it's their job to defend our country
 
BruceMo said:
The point is, some will go on armed with new skills to have a worthwhile life. Many have had little or no guidance from work shy parents and just need help and guidance
The community would also benefit as ammenities could be improved with all sorts of projects, the projects would need suppliers who would benefit and then the financial web spreads around the community
Trident is a stupid idea. If "some half wit" is in a position to press the button and has the want to, will trident stop him?
Yours is a what if argument, mines is definitely positive outlook in my mind
If we must have it, park it at Westminster, but it's still pointless
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I'm sorry but yours is just as much a "what if" argument. Just because people have had training, if there are no jobs for them afterwards it's just an empty gesture. You can create all the training you like but if there is no call for jobs afterwards, the only way you will have helped your community is those newly trained people will have to move away to find a job and your community has suddenly got less unemployment only due to having a smaller population.
 
ST4 said:
Whilst I wouldn't shed a tear if that happened, asylum claimants under law do have a right to safety if the claim is genuine.

What they don't have the right to do is if that claim is rejected is to stay that country illegally which a lot do. Hence the correct approach is to detain them and keep them safe. It also keeps them safe from assassination from militant nut cases.

However if people try to circumvent the asylum process and just smuggle themselves in, a bullet to the head or a permanent swim in the drink is the correct response.
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It never seems to amaze me how ass. seekers are accepted (esp.here) when they claim safe havne, but have managed to jump over 15 countries that would have given them that in order to arrive here. Economic migrants more like.
 
nilagin said:
I'm sorry but yours is just as much a "what if" argument. Just because people have had training, if there are no jobs for them afterwards it's just an empty gesture. You can create all the training you like but if there is no call for jobs afterwards, the only way you will have helped your community is those newly trained people will have to move away to find a job and your community has suddenly got less unemployment only due to having a smaller population.
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Absolutely, I don't have a Chrystal ball. But I'm pretty sure diverting the money to training, development and support of small businesses, developing infrastructure and dealing with some of the social issues is better than having a big gun to wave at passing spy planes
I'd say yours is a very pessimistic outlook, but I'm guessing we will never know
Even if your vision were true, the youngsters we waste today would at least have an option to relocate and use their new found skills as I did when I finished apprenticeship and the community would be a little bit better off at least from his efforts

It's not all about financial gain either, people gain self confidence and are better people with a bit of support and investment in them even if they need dragged their to start with
 
ST4 said:
Trident has to go somewhere and the jobs/training with the military are good jobs that give people long term careers. It's a shame that Scotland, (well 45% of it) doesn't embrace trident for the opportunity that it gives.
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yeah 20 billion off the budget that could be spent on things we actually need.
 
neil_g said:
oi, get your own point.



maybe if we didnt keep throwing them into everyone elses country blindly following the US then they'd have a bit more cash left.
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I actually don't disagree. Whatever happened to the two power standard?

To be effective in the world forum and defend our land (thinking Gibraltar and the Falklands) we need more ships, better ships, nuclear subs and more of them.

It would sort these two aggressors out.
 
ST4 said:
Unless that is you really fancy morning prayer at 5, starving yourself for a month of the year and learning Arabic.
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You really don't know anything about Ramadan, or indeed Islam at all, do you?
 
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