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And here we go again.........
 
Speaking of common sense I hear the Welsh FM has offered to have Trident in Wales - Result! one less reason for folk to vote no next time :D
 
neil_g said:
indeed. can we not just have one "thinly veiled discrimination" thread?
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Huh?

What is discriminatory about this

Australia's month-long detention of 157 asylum seekers at sea last year was legal, the High Court has found.

The court ruled the Sri Lankan group were not entitled to claim damages for false imprisonment.

An Australian customs ship intercepted their boat off Christmas Island, an Australian territory, on 29 June.

The Sri Lankans, who had left India 16 days before, were eventually taken to Nauru after efforts to return them to India failed.

In recent years, asylum seekers - mainly from Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Iraq and Iran - have travelled to Christmas Island in the Indian Ocean on boats from Indonesia, hoping to be accepted into Australia as refugees.

To deter their arrival, the Australian government processes them in offshore camps on Christmas Island, and in Nauru and Papua New Guinea. Those found to be refugees will be resettled in PNG or Cambodia, not Australia.

The Australian government says its aim is to save lives by preventing people getting on dangerous boats but rights groups have criticised conditions in detention camps.

Boats have also been towed back to Indonesia and last year a separate group of Sri Lankans were intercepted at sea and handed over to the Sri Lankan navy.
 
lets face it steve you only post this stuff to get the attention of a heated discussion so that you can post your frankly black and white (mostly white) views.

if i wanted to read so much of this topic id read the daily mail every day.
 
Yet here are all the usual suspects squabbling over the thread. Why chaps are you trying to derail a sensible topic.

I see every question I've asked hasn't?

That says it all. Those that want it closed, that's trying to prohibit free speech that doesn't agree with their own views.
 
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ST4 said:
That says it all. Those that want it closed, that's trying to prohibit free speech that doesn't agree with their own views.
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Indeed, there was a certain amount of "outrage" not so long ago, when I suggested shutting a thread down,
because that would have been censorship ;)
 
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Cobra said:
Indeed, there was a certain amount of "outrage" not so long ago, when I suggested shutting a thread down,
because that would have been censorship ;)
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If it is the same people asking for this to be closed, then it is double standards and hypocrisy. It's a shame, another interesting debate about immigration, how to deal with it, asylum, what one should and shouldn't do has been spoiled by "the usual suspects".
 
ST4 said:
been spoiled by "the usual suspects".
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i wonder if my POTN account is still active..
 
I'm looking......I'm looking.........
Nope can't see any requests for thread closure anywhere! :lol:
 
Is this about the damages they are claiming (and didn't get)or the fact they are getting to get into Australia in an under handed way and got caught? If it is for the damages, then good on Australia for refusing to pay out......if it is about their asylum status, I say well done Australia, because they have set up a process where each case can be determined on its merits on an island (not the mainland),,,,,,, maybe we could use the Isle of Sheppy......:D
 
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archangel said:
Is this about the damages they are claiming (and didn't get)or the fact they are getting to get into Australia in an under handed way and got caught? If it is for the damages, then good on Australia for refusing to pay out......if it is about their asylum status, I say well done Australia, because they have set up a process where each case can be determined on its merits on an island,,,,,,, maybe we could use the Isle of Sheppy......:D
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Finally.

They gave them food, shelter, warmth and safety from a supposed oppressive regime. That is what asylum is for. In otherwords Australia kept them safe and in a place where they would be safe whilst the assessed whether the asylum claim was a genuine one.

By holding them in the boat, it means they can a) keep the safe b) ensure they don't go on the run within Australia in the event their claim is rejected c) it keeps it cheaper for the Australian tax payer
 
How much do we speant on trident? I,d love to see it removed from Scotland and the money speant on infrastructure, training, social issues education and health
I don't care about the few short term jobs we will lose. It's a pointless white elephant
 
BruceMo said:
How much do we speant on trident? I,d love to see it removed from Scotland and the money speant on infrastructure, training, social issues education and health
I don't care about the few short term jobs we will lose. It's a pointless white elephant
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I would rather see benefits taken from free loaders and lay abouts than lose our nuclear frontline.....
 
Is that the choice, have trident or pay freeloaders and layabouts?
I've got a much better way of spending the cash on the country. If we create training and jobs, it's easier to deal with the freeloaders and loungers then
 
BruceMo said:
Is that the choice, have trident or pay freeloaders and layabouts?
I've got a much better way of spending the cash on the country. If we create training and jobs, it's easier to deal with the freeloaders and loungers then
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Believe me...most free loaders and lay abouts don't want training.....I used to take on long term unemployed and try to train them to get back into work......last time I checked all 32 are still unemployed and living of my and your taxes.....
 
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BruceMo said:
Is that the choice, have trident or pay freeloaders and layabouts?
I've got a much better way of spending the cash on the country. If we create training and jobs, it's easier to deal with the freeloaders and loungers then
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Trident has to go somewhere and the jobs/training with the military are good jobs that give people long term careers. It's a shame that Scotland, (well 45% of it) doesn't embrace trident for the opportunity that it gives.
 
archangel said:
Believe me...most free loaders and lay abouts don't want training.....I used to take on long term unemployed and try to train them to get back into work......last time I checked all 32 are still unemployed and living of my and your taxes.....
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I've done further education training too and know all too well the attitude of some
If I had the trident money to spend in the community, I,d have them on training courses like the old manpower training scheme. Learn a trade while you improve the local ammenities.
Unless you are unable to work, you will comply or be cut off
My community needs help, trident is just a great big burden on us all and I believe totally pointless now
 
BruceMo said:
I've done further education training too and know all too well the attitude of some
If I had the trident money to spend in the community, I,d have them on training courses like the old manpower training scheme. Learn a trade while you improve the local ammenities.
Unless you are unable to work, you will comply or be cut off
My community needs help, trident is just a great big burden on us all and I believe totally pointless now
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It's paid for by ALL the UK tax payers but employees many people in West Scotland.
 
BruceMo said:
I've done further education training too and know all too well the attitude of some
If I had the trident money to spend in the community, I,d have them on training courses like the old manpower training scheme. Learn a trade while you improve the local ammenities.
Unless you are unable to work, you will comply or be cut off
My community needs help, trident is just a great big burden on us all and I believe totally pointless now
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What's the point in offering the training and using the money add most individuals will still be on their ass at the end... I employed and trained then to a cost if over £12k a year plus they keep their benefits....by getting rid of Trident you are putting people out of work and wasting resources......on the majority who would rather sit at home on their ass and moan about how poorly done by they are.......meanwhile we are open to nuclear attack from some half wit with nuclear capabilities
 
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ST4 said:
It's paid for by ALL the UK tax payers but employees many people in West Scotland.
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But it's to the detriment of the entire country. Financially its bonkers and even as a deterrent, is it?
If someone is mad enough to nuke us, do you think the fear of trident will deter them?
I'd rather see the money go on making the country a better place and if we did get nuked, it's of no help to me to know we have nuked back
 
archangel said:
What's the point in offering the training and using the money add most individuals will still be on their ass at the end... I employed and trained then to a cost if over £12k a year plus they keep their benefits....by getting rid of Trident you are putting people out of work and wasting resources......on the majority who would rather sit at home on their ass and moan about how poorly done by they are.......meanwhile we are open to nuclear attack from some half wit with nuclear capabilities
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The point is, some will go on armed with new skills to have a worthwhile life. Many have had little or no guidance from work shy parents and just need help and guidance
The community would also benefit as ammenities could be improved with all sorts of projects, the projects would need suppliers who would benefit and then the financial web spreads around the community
Trident is a stupid idea. If "some half wit" is in a position to press the button and has the want to, will trident stop him?
Yours is a what if argument, mines is definitely positive outlook in my mind
If we must have it, park it at Westminster, but it's still pointless
 
The highly trained jobs would go wherever Trident went, lost to Scotland but not lost. While I sympathise with those who would be affected it's a relatively small number compared to job losses in the coal, steel, ship building industries over the last few decades and worth it to me to see the back of Trident should it ever actually go to Wales.
 
BruceMo said:
But it's to the detriment of the entire country. Financially its bonkers and even as a deterrent, is it?
If someone is mad enough to nuke us, do you think the fear of trident will deter them?
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Yes, for fear of getting nuked back,
BruceMo said:
I'd rather see the money go on making the country a better place and if we did get nuked, it's of no help to me to know we have nuked back
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I'd love to think if we got nuked, nuking back is exactly what we would do until no living person from the country that nuked us was left.
 
archangel said:
I would rather see benefits taken from free loaders and lay abouts than lose our nuclear frontline.....
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Are we back onto the amount the UK government has to bail out the Scottish Govts budget every year? :D
 
ST4 said:
Yes, for fear of getting nuked back,


I'd love to think if we got nuked, nuking back is exactly what we would do until no living person from the country that nuked us was left.
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I can see no benefit in killing possibly millions of innocent people in retaliation to one maniacs actions.We shall agree to differ on this one
 
Byker28i said:
Are we back onto the amount the UK government has to bail out the Scottish Govts budget every year? :D
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Scotland, outwith the UK, would be like Greece, except without the sun. A population intent on spending other peoples money on things it wouldn't be able to afford otherwise. However, like it or not, Scotland is in the UK via the democratic choice of it's residents.
 
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