Changes to dangerous dog act.

[Nikon_Nick]

So young children should be exposed to big unpredictable natured dogs in the off chance the people know how took after it so the child stands a chance of not getting mawled.

Luckily most parents accept the danger of dogs and most are responsible enough not to expose their kids to a dangerous/unpredictable breed like Staffies, Rowdesian ridgeback rotweillers etc.

I pity the kids who are as they are so vulnerable and at risk it's not funny. The law is doing something about it, that makes me happy.

My 7 month old daughter sits and plays with our Rottie. Never had an issue.

Can you please direct us to your source of information regarding what specific breeds of dog are bred for? Im particularly interested in the source that claims these dogs are bred to kill. Im guessing that I shouldnt hold my breath whilst waiting?

 

[neil_g]

Can you please direct us to your source of information regarding what specific breeds of dog are bred for? Im particularly interested in the source that claims these dogs are bred to kill. Im guessing that I shouldnt hold my breath whilst waiting?

dont be silly. i asked for clarification on his opinion of a dog bread to "tear people apart" i believe the phrase used was several pages back and never got a response.

im calling blatant troll on this one. mods please step in...

 

[Nikon_Nick]

dont be silly. i asked for clarification on his opinion of a dog bread to "tear people apart" i believe the phrase used was several pages back and never got a response.

im calling blatant troll on this one. mods please step in...

Yeah, I called wind up a while back, but cant help but keep looking at this thread

 

[Yves Geza]

Please don't wind up the thread before he's given us his opinion about Goodyear tyres!

 

[SFTPhotography]

What's this on the news about a cat saving a child from a dog attack?

It's practically every week some poor child is attacked by some dog. Our young deserve some action to be taken to keep them safe.

People talk of recalling their dogs to leads, what if it doesn't. Ive aeen it countless times dogs disobeying comands when its running towards another dog or worse a person. Does your thoughtless actions of having it off the lead have to have some tragic consequence before you'll wisen up and see the dangers of what you've unleashed.

And I'd replace the word fear with awareness, children need to be aware that dogs are potentially very dangerous in the same way cars can be. A bit of fear of animals is healthy.

 

[SFTPhotography]

Please don't wind up the thread before he's given us his opinion about Goodyear tyres!

They're crap. I had a similar experience to the OP, it was an efficient grip. I used to drive in a very spirited manner over a route, other tyres coped fine, efficient grips couldn't handle it.

I prefer Michelin or continental.

 

[Nikon_Nick]

What's this on the news about a cat saving a child from a dog attack?

It's practically every week some poor child is attacked by some dog. Our young deserve some action to be taken to keep them safe.

People talk of recalling their dogs to leads, what if it doesn't. Ive aeen it countless times dogs disobeying comands when its running towards another dog or worse a person. Does your thoughtless actions of having it off the lead have to have some tragic consequence before you'll wisen up and see the dangers of what you've unleashed.

And I'd replace the word fear with awareness, children need to be aware that dogs are potentially very dangerous in the same way cars can be. A bit of fear of animals is healthy.

You dont like answering peoples questions or acknowledging posts that dont fit in with your strange ideas do you? Maybe its because you cant back up your drivel with actual facts?

 

[SFTPhotography]

My 7 month old daughter sits and plays with our Rottie. Never had an issue.

Can you please direct us to your source of information regarding what specific breeds of dog are bred for? Im particularly interested in the source that claims these dogs are bred to kill. Im guessing that I shouldnt hold my breath whilst waiting?

It's a bit like saying I drink and drive and haven't crashed. It's fine to drink and drive.

Personally from experience of that breed that's a disaster waiting to happen. I hope I'm proven wrong. No way would I put a baby near a Rottie. They're volatile and very powerful once in attack mode.

 

[Nikon_Nick]

It's a bit like saying I drink and drive and haven't crashed. It's fine to drink and drive.

Personally from experience of that breed that's a disaster waiting to happen. I hope I'm proven wrong. No way would I put a baby near a Rottie. They're volatile and very powerful once in attack mode.

Exactly what experience do you have?

...and thats the second time youve likened dog ownership to drink driving

 

[SFTPhotography]

You dont like answering peoples questions or acknowledging posts that dont fit in with your strange ideas do you? Maybe its because you cant back up your drivel with actual facts?

If you think that Staffies, Rotties, Rowdesian ridge backs are safe in the public domain I'm wasting my time.

It's like asking the pub trade to decide healthy figures for alcohol consumption figures.

Luckily the law is going to protect people like me from pets like yours. I'm glad.

 

[Nikon_Nick]

If you think that Staffies, Rotties, Rowdesian ridge backs are safe in the public domain I'm wasting my time.

It's like asking the pub trade to decide healthy figures for alcohol consumption figures.

Luckily the law is going to protect people like me from pets like yours. I'm glad.

So you still cant back anything up with facts...


...just more Bulls**t

 

[SFTPhotography]

So you still cant back anything up with facts...


...just more Bulls**t

So all these dog attacks on folk on the news. That's just made up right???

The law is beginning to wake up to the fact we have an issue with dangerous dogs like it did 30years back with drink drivers, loon ball gun owners. It's called progress.

Don't like it, too bad. Your Rotteeiller owning days are probably numbered. Too bad.

 

[Nikon_Nick]

Can you answer my previous question about your exact experience with Rottweilers please?

Thanks

 

[SFTPhotography]

Can you answer my previous question about your exact experience with Rottweilers please?

Thanks

I've been aggressively barked at, thibg just flare up teeth showing, owner said shes not normally like this, thing just turned post man attacked, exs dog is a menace to visitors and herself. Child near me had a narrow escape.

Can you please prove conclusively, with facts, that such dogs should be in the public domain?

The fact your challenging accepted wisdom proves to me you have an irrational and wanton need to keep such a breed.

 

[Nikon_Nick]

I've been aggressively barked at, thibg just flare up teeth showing, owner said shes not normally like this, thing just turned post man attacked, exs dog is a menace to visitors and herself. Child near me had a narrow escape.

Can you please prove conclusively, with facts, that such dogs should be in the public domain?

The fact your challenging accepted wisdom proves to me you have an irrational and wanton need to keep such a breed.

You are getting extremely pathetic now. So, is this one Rottweiler you are basing your extensive knowledge on? Just proves that you dont have any real experience at all, and just remain a scared little man.

Can I prove conclusively, with facts, that such dogs should be in the public domain? No. What a ridiculous thing to say.

If you mean am I challenging 'your' wisdom, then yes, I am. I think you will find that it isnt as accepted as you so blindly believe.

 

[SFTPhotography]

You are getting extremely pathetic now. So, is this one Rottweiler you are basing your extensive knowledge on? Just proves that you dont have any real experience at all, and just remain a scared little man.

Several, actually I can't think of 1 interaction with a Rottwiller in the unfortunate times I've come accross thats gone well, or hasn't left me intimidated or scared. Is it really right for dog owners, who know fine well what they have is intimidating, to have that out in public. Its anti-social at best. A little beagle or spaniel, they do not cause fear. I know of many who are uneasy of the Rotweiller, Staffie etc but are fine with more normal dogs.

Can I prove conclusively, with facts, that such dogs should be in the public domain? No. What a ridiculous thing to say.

Why, because you can't?

If you mean am I challenging 'your' wisdom, then yes, I am. I think you will find that it isnt as accepted as you so blindly believe.

Joe public as a whole doesn't like this sort of dog, they don't like maniac speeding drivers, they do not like gun ownership.

I'll leave this thread with this

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraphtv/10831291/Pet-cat-saves-boy-from-dog-in-America.html

http://www.ukandspain.com/dangerous-dogs/

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/lo...ing-rottweiler-attack-in-dawson-park-1.130889

http://news.sky.com/story/1125330/rottweiler-attack-toddler-seriously-hurt
Get it. If this law just saves on child, its well worth it.

 

[big soft moose]

So young children should be exposed to big unpredictable natured dogs in the off chance the people know how took after it so the child stands a chance of not getting mawled.

Luckily most parents accept the danger of dogs and most are responsible enough not to expose their kids to a dangerous/unpredictable breed like Staffies, Rowdesian ridgeback rotweillers etc.

I pity the kids who are as they are so vulnerable and at risk it's not funny. The law is doing something about it, that makes me happy.

you seem to be ignoring the point above - over 100 times as many people are killed by cars than by dogs , why don't we ban high speed cars ? ( also someone who is currently banned for excessive speed is not in a good position to take the moral high ground when it comes to putting others at risk)

You also have no idea about dogs - most of the big ones are the ones with a calm and gentle nature - its the yappy small ones that were bred to kill rabbits and rats etc that are a serious hazard to babies etc (although even then only if the parents are blithering morons with no idea how to look after either a dog or a baby)

 

[SFTPhotography]

you seem to be ignoring the point above - over 100 times as many people are killed by cars than by dogs , why don't we ban high speed cars ? ( also someone who is currently banned for excessive speed is not in a good position to take the moral high ground when it comes to putting others at risk)

Japan has fast cars but all come fitted with a 112mph limiter. I have no issue. Off those 100x more people, how high is excessive speed. Motoring is vital, dog ownership totally not. We have lots of rules for car driving, very little for dog ownership. Its an issue you need to face up to.

Big dogs may be flacid, but if they turn they pose a lot of danger, a small dog simply cannot pose as much danger as a big one.

 

[big soft moose]

Joe public as a whole doesn't like this sort of dog, they don't like maniac speeding drivers, they do not like gun ownership.
.

Says the man currently banned for driving sat over 100mph - presumably you would be okay if the government decided to only let you drive a fiat 500 in future ?

 

[SFTPhotography]

Says the man currently banned for driving sat over 100mph - presumably you would be okay if the government decided to only let you drive a fiat 500 in future ?

I'd quite like one

My driving wasn't acceptable, I accpet that, can you not read the links and see the risk dog owners subject our children to, daily.

 

[big soft moose]

Japan has fast cars but all come fitted with a 112mph limiter. I have no issue. Off those 100x more people, how high is excessive speed. Motoring is vital, dog ownership totally not. We have lots of rules for car driving, very little for dog ownership. Its an issue you need to face up to.

Big dogs may be flacid, but if they turn they pose a lot of danger, a small dog simply cannot pose as much danger as a big one.

But there is no need at all for cars capable of more than 70mph - since that's the maximum limit anywhere in the country. So can you justify why every car shouldn't be fitted with a 70mph limiter ?

We get that you have an irrational and paranoid fear of big dogs - but what you need to face up to is that this is your problem , presumably based on the fact that you were once attacked , and your ex owns a Rottweiler (incidentally dogs can sense their owners feelings so if you ex doesn't like you the dog can probably sense that)

I was nearly killed by a prannock in a ford mondeo - but I don't want to ban all ford mondeos (Although I would back a lifetime ban for anyone who proves they can't be trusted to drive safely)

oh and on the big dog/ little dog thing you have lost the last shreds of credibility now ... a jack russell can easily kill a baby, and because it sees small squealing things as prey is far more likely to than say a rottweiller which is bred to protect the family, and is thus more likely to be aggressive to adult strangers

 

[big soft moose]

I'd quite like one

My driving wasn't acceptable, I accept that, can you not read the links and see the risk dog owners subject our children to, daily.

17 people have been killed by dogs since 2005 - in terms of risk that's negligible , more people have been killed by curtains.

 

[SFTPhotography]

17 people have been killed by dogs since 2005 - in terms of risk that's negligible , more people have been killed by curtains.

Injuries, bites, incidents on the street with barking. They are a menace. IMHO. The law is waking up to this.

Anyway, is it not better those 17 are alive?

 

[SFTPhotography]

But there is no need at all for cars capable of more than 70mph - since that's the maximum limit anywhere in the country. So can you justify why every car shouldn't be fitted with a 70mph limiter ?

We get that you have an irrational and paranoid fear of big dogs - but what you need to face up to is that this is your problem , presumably based on the fact that you were once attacked , and your ex owns a Rottweiler (incidentally dogs can sense their owners feelings so if you ex doesn't like you the dog can probably sense that)

I was nearly killed by a prannock in a ford mondeo - but I don't want to ban all ford mondeos (Although I would back a lifetime ban for anyone who proves they can't be trusted to drive safely)

oh and on the big dog/ little dog thing you have lost the last shreds of credibility now ... a jack russell can easily kill a baby, and because it sees small squealing things as prey is far more likely to than say a rottweiller which is bred to protect the family, and is thus more likely to be aggressive to adult strangers

Have you not read the links I posted. Jack Russells are an aggresive breed IMHO. I've seen them as pups. Not suitable for pets. What it is, you just like dogs and defend, like the others, the indefinsible. I used to do it with 140mph driving, perhaps you'll see one day the risk these dogs pose. Or at least accept not everyone likes them and taking it out in public and some will see you as a pariah for having such a dog.

Don't you think your life time ban for dangerous drivers is hysterical? They can learn from their mistakes?

 

[srichards]

Perhaps dogs sense when someone hates them so they find them a threat and will attack or show aggression toward them more often? Same way cats know when someone is allergic or doesn't like them so they single them out for a friendly shedding and kneading

 

[SFTPhotography]

Perhaps dogs sense when someone hates them so they find them a threat and will attack or show aggression toward them more often? Same way cats know when someone is allergic or doesn't like them so they single them out for a friendly shedding and kneading

So its ok for someone to be aggressively treated because they don't like something?

 

[big soft moose]

Injuries, bites, incidents on the street with barking. They are a menace. IMHO. The law is waking up to this.

Anyway, is it not better those 17 are alive?

incidents on the street with barking - seriously get a grip on yourself man , just because you are phobic about dogs doesn't mean that they should be banned (or even that they shouldn't bark) - if you had a phobia about wasps would you expect the government to eradicate them ?

of course it would be better that the 17 people were still alive - it would be great if the 1784 people killed in car accidents during 2012 were still alive , but 17 deaths in 9 years isn't a justification for banning dogs - it is a justification for suggesting people should train them properly - but in risk assessment terms its a tiny tiny risk and makes dogs far less dangerous than many domestic appliances (more children have been killed in accidents involving kettles in the same time frame .. perhaps we should legislate to say that all kettles have to be the fixed to the wall boiler type ? )

or perhaps we could get a grip and expect parents to take responsibility for their children ( by for example not buying an unruly and untrained dog off a bloke in a pub and leaving it alone with them)

 

[SFTPhotography]

I've not got a phobia, but you need to get that not all of us, like dogs or appreciate owners best efforts to impose their beasts on us. Its antisocial. The law will deal with it. So I am cool

 

[big soft moose]

So its ok for someone to be aggressively treated because they don't like something?

it depends on what you mean by aggressively treated - its never okay for a person to be attacked, but a dog that barks at you as you approach its owner isn't doing anything wrong - its being protective of its person because it right or wrongly perceives you as a threat to them. If the owner has trained the dog properly (as all but a tiny minority do) it won't go any further than barking.

 

[Yves Geza]

If we believe the twaddle you've posted in this thread you most certainly do have a phobia! If things are so bad for you, that you're upset by dogs barking, you genuinely should seek councelling because I think it would make your own life easier and happier!

You see, the law is not going to do what you want it to!

 

[Nikon_Nick]

Several, actually I can't think of 1 interaction with a Rottwiller in the unfortunate times I've come accross thats gone well, or hasn't left me intimidated or scared. Is it really right for dog owners, who know fine well what they have is intimidating, to have that out in public. Its anti-social at best. A little beagle or spaniel, they do not cause fear. I know of many who are uneasy of the Rotweiller, Staffie etc but are fine with more normal dogs.




Why, because you can't?



Joe public as a whole doesn't like this sort of dog, they don't like maniac speeding drivers, they do not like gun ownership.

I'll leave this thread with this

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraphtv/10831291/Pet-cat-saves-boy-from-dog-in-America.html

http://www.ukandspain.com/dangerous-dogs/

http://www.thecourier.co.uk/news/lo...ing-rottweiler-attack-in-dawson-park-1.130889

http://news.sky.com/story/1125330/rottweiler-attack-toddler-seriously-hurt
Get it. If this law just saves on child, its well worth it.

So, in the links youve provided, the following dogs have been listed...

Alaskan Malamute
Aylestone Bulldog
*One where they couldnt identify the breed*...so that was obviously a Rottie
Bull mastiff
American Bulldog
Alsatian Cross
Shar-Pei (not a large powerfull breed)
Belgian Mastiff
Japanese Akita

The dog that attacked the child in the U.S and was subsequently saved by a cat is listed as being a labrador/Chow mix. Labradors (toilet roll loving dogs) are not (by your logic) considered a dangerous breed. I dont know about Chows.

The third link was regarding an attack by a Rottweiler on a child in Dundee. Sad to hear. What the article fails to do though, is give all of the facts surrounding the incident. Was the dog on a lead? Did the child run towards the dog? What lead to the attack? We dont know, so shouldnt speculate, or have such a black and white view of this one.

The fourth link, on the surface appears pretty straight forward, but again, you have to question what lead to the attack. Im not saying that it was an ok thing for the dog to do, but something made it attack. Do we know if the dog was trained? No. Do we know the history of the dog? No. Where did the attack happen? If it was in their home, it seems a little strange to me that the dog was on a lead...so many questions and unknown facts. Youve been asking me for facts, but you are unable to provide any yourself.

Your pathetic challenge for me to provide 'facts' on why these breeds should be allowedin public domain, is ridiculous. No, of course I cant provide facts. How could anyone possible compile facts for that?

And yes, you are correct. A beagle or a spaniel have never bitten anyone

 

[SFTPhotography]

it depends on what you mean by aggressively treated - its never okay for a person to be attacked, but a dog that barks at you as you approach its owner isn't doing anything wrong - its being protective of its person because it right or wrongly perceives you as a threat to them. If the owner has trained the dog properly (as all but a tiny minority do) it won't go any further than barking.

Jumping, lots seem to jump and wonder around you. I am aware most people find this tolerable, I don't but the jumping and general indfference owners have to other non dog people is disgusting. Ineed the remarks I've seen here show the hostility non dog people get from dog owners. I am not the problem, the dog is.

 

[SFTPhotography]

If we believe the twaddle you've posted in this thread you most certainly do have a phobia! If things are so bad for you, that you're upset by dogs barking, you genuinely should seek councelling because I think it would make your own life easier and happier!

You see, the law is not going to do what you want it to!

More hostility because I don't like dogs? Listen, I can deal with it, but I don't like it. Dangerous dogs and dog attacks need stopped. The law is acting on it.

 

[Cobra]

loon ball gun owners.

I'm a gun owner, I often leave mine unattended when I go to work,
they have never yet harmed anyone
Michael Ryan was was was a loon ball as was Thomas Hamilton they should never have been given a licence in the first place.
The system failed "us all"

I'll leave this thread with this
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/telegraphtv/10831291/Pet-cat-saves-boy-from-dog-in-America.html

That cat attacked a dog, is it going to be a kid next?
That cat proved that all cats have the potential to be dangerous,
ergo, ALL cats should be wiped from the face of the earth.

Like Pete (Moose) I was seriously attacked and injured by a pillock in a car,
while I was obeying the speed limit, happily returning from work one night
on my F1 750.
All car drivers are w******
Cars should be banned.
They are gas guzzlers environment wreckers.

Steve, your argument is akin to a smoker that packed up a few years ago,
and really goes into one on the anti smoking trail.

As for you being in the majority, just read back through this thread,
You may have had one "nod" of agreement out of all the posters.
That firmly puts you in the minority.

 

[SFTPhotography]

So, in the links youve provided, the following dogs have been listed...

Alaskan Malamute
Aylestone Bulldog
*One where they couldnt identify the breed*...so that was obviously a Rottie
Bull mastiff
American Bulldog
Alsatian Cross
Shar-Pei (not a large powerfull breed)
Belgian Mastiff
Japanese Akita

The dog that attacked the child in the U.S and was subsequently saved by a cat is listed as being a labrador/Chow mix. Labradors (toilet roll loving dogs) are not (by your logic) considered a dangerous breed. I dont know about Chows.

The third link was regarding an attack by a Rottweiler on a child in Dundee. Sad to hear. What the article fails to do though, is give all of the facts surrounding the incident. Was the dog on a lead? Did the child run towards the dog? What lead to the attack? We dont know, so shouldnt speculate, or have such a black and white view of this one.

The fourth link, on the surface appears pretty straight forward, but again, you have to question what lead to the attack. Im not saying that it was an ok thing for the dog to do, but something made it attack. Do we know if the dog was trained? No. Do we know the history of the dog? No. Where did the attack happen? If it was in their home, it seems a little strange to me that the dog was on a lead...so many questions and unknown facts. Youve been asking me for facts, but you are unable to provide any yourself.

Your pathetic challenge for me to provide 'facts' on why these breeds should be allowedin public domain, is ridiculous. No, of course I cant provide facts. How could anyone possible compile facts for that?

And yes, you are correct. A beagle or a spaniel have never bitten anyone

So its the childs fault it was attacked. Get a grip. This is dog lover fanaticism. I am out of this silly thread. Its clear you and the other dog fanatics cannot see the birds from the trees.

 

[Yves Geza]

More hostility because I don't like dogs? Listen, I can deal with it, but I don't like it. Dangerous dogs and dog attacks need stopped. The law is acting on it.

Sympathy not hostility! You know the old line, in sorrow not in anger!

 

[SFTPhotography]

Sympathy not hostility! You know the old line, in sorrow not in anger!

I didn't but I will accept your post as good willed.

 

[Nikon_Nick]

So its the childs fault it was attacked. Get a grip. This is dog lover fanaticism. I am out of this silly thread. Its clear you and the other dog fanatics cannot see the birds from the trees.

Did I say it was the childs fault? No I didnt, and you are pathetic for trying to put words like that in my mouth. Re-read what I wrote.

We do not know all of the facts of these attacks, and the reason for that, is that an actual fact filled report wouldnt be as exciting for all the paranoid, know-nothing fear mongers such as yourself.

 

[SFTPhotography]

Did I say it was the childs fault? No I didnt, and you are pathetic for trying to put words like that in my mouth. Re-read what I wrote.

We do not know all of the facts of these attacks, and the reason for that, is that an actual fact filled report wouldnt be as exciting for all the paranoid, know-nothing fear mongers such as yourself.

If it wasnt the childs fault, it was the dog. The owner is a red herring, the dog is capable of independent thought. Dogs like this pose, IMHO and the view of the public, unnacceptable risks. Hence the call for this law.

I must tap out of this conversation.

http://www.theguardian.com/public-l.../sep/30/dangerous-dogs-law-legislation-debate

 

[Nikon_Nick]

If it wasnt the childs fault, it was the dog. The owner is a red herring, the dog is capable of independent thought. Dogs like this pose, IMHO and the view of the public, unnacceptable risks. Hence the call for this law.

I must tap out of this conversation.

http://www.theguardian.com/public-l.../sep/30/dangerous-dogs-law-legislation-debate

Thank God, does that mean the rest of us could have a more informed conversation about it now then, without have to deal with the likes of you? Great. See ya!