It reacts
It reacts to how owners treat it, it reacts to it's training, it reacts to other people.
It reacts and can cause injury.
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It reacts
It reacts to how owners treat it, it reacts to it's training, it reacts to other people.
It reacts and can cause injury.
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Have you actually read the whole thread? Look at how ST4 decides what makes a dog dangerous, and consider what others on here have said in response.
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Absolutely - whatever type of pet it is.
An understanding of animals and their needs, learning about taking responsibility for another living creature and respecting them, a good reason to spend time outdoors and also the sad life lesson about mortality.
Of course, I wouldn't be stupid enough to encourage somebody who hates animals to go out and buy a pet . . . but I just couldn't imagine a home or a childhood without animals in it.
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But this isnt even whats being discussed. ST4 seems to have no clue about dogs in general, and pretty much every post hes made has been ridiculous. One that comes to mind was something along the lines of 'Why have a dangerous dog when you could have a spaniel' Does he honesty beluve that a spaniel has never bitten anyone? Why does he not consider a badly treated, untrained spaniel as dangerous? Do you see my point? The entire argument is ridiculous, because there is someone on one side of it that has the most extreme, narrow minded views, that refuses to even consider that he might be in the minority. Instead, it seems that the majority of the dog loving globe are the ones who are stupid...
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dogs are dangerous in the same way as guns, kitchen knives and cars - that is in the hands of idiots and sociopaths ( How many children are killed each year by speeding cars ? - I don't know the number but its a sight more than the number mauled to death by dogs, but would banning cars capable of more than 30mph be the answer ? or is it more reasonable to expect people to drive them sensibly and punish those that don't ?)
There are cute dogs, ugly dogs, gun dogs, fighting dogs etc.
Most of the breads were bread for a purpose, they have an instinct, they have the power. You can train it out of them, but they may just turn.
I could get any animal, a Lion, a Tiger and take it for a walk because "It's a softy" ignoring the fact it is inherently dangerous. I think ST4 is coming across wrong.
Most of the breads were bread for a purpose, they have an instinct, they have the power. You can train it out of them, but they may just turn.
I could get any animal, a Lion, a Tiger and take it for a walk because "It's a softy" ignoring the fact it is inherently dangerous. I think ST4 is coming across wrong.
No, big difference. A dog can make decisions. A gun, knive and car require an idiotic human to directly cause the injury/death. A dog can choose to do it on its own, it can react. Bump into a car, poke a knife, run away from a gun and none of them will move. A dog will react.
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No you couldn't because it is illegal.
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But why is a Tiger illegal but a rotweiler and other dogs bread to kill not? My tiger is a big softy and wouldn't hurt a fly
because the law says so.
....and Rotweilers and other dogs are not bred to kill, they may be trained by people to kill though.
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yes but a dog that's trained by a sensible and compassionate owner isn't dangerous - when I was a kid we had a boxer, Hal, my mum tells the story of the time when as a toddler I stepped on his testicles , all he did was grunt and move away. No aggressive reaction to me at all , because he'd been properly trained to regard the family as his people. - unlike the yob who tried to stub a lighted cigarette out on me in my pram one day - Hal had his arm so fast it never even touched my skin. - He didn't then maul said yob though - he just pinned him down an waited for a command from his owner.
Dogs that react badly do so because they've been trained to do so, or not trained at all - largely by idiots who think that having a big dog makes them macho (rather like the sort of person who needs to drive at twice the speed limit to make them feel macho). Of course there are the very small minority of dog cases where the dog has a brain tumour or rabies (not in the uk), or other similar cause, but in 99% of cases the issue is directly related to the owner being a total arse head
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But why is a Tiger illegal but a rotweiler and other dogs bread to kill not? My tiger is a big softy and wouldn't hurt a fly
Come on Dale, I know you're trying to make a point but this is getting silly now
Tigers are wild animals, dogs have been domesticated for hundreds of years and have a relationship with humans that's been ingrained into them for generations - totally different thing!
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But why is a Tiger illegal but a rotweiler and other dogs bread to kill not? My tiger is a big softy and wouldn't hurt a fly
Tigers aren't illegal - you can keep one if you follow the rules laid down under the dangerous wild animals act. That aside the difference is because they aren't domesticated. Dog are.
More people are killed by cows each year than by dogs - shall we ban keeping cows ?
far more people are killed on the road
far more people are killed falling downstairs
far more are killed by smoking related illness and by obesity - lets ban cigarettes and hamburgers
9000 people per year have serious accidents involving curtains - lets ban curtains.
Life is inherently not 100% safe , but you can't ban everything - what you can do is expect that people will behave in a reasonable and safe way - and punish the tiny minority who make it more unsafe for everyone else whether by driving at 120mph or by keeping a dangerous dog
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I love all this 'Bred to kill' crap. Just shows how uneducated some people actually are. Laughable really.
How dare you, I'm never silly
BSM - I'm sure every owner of every dog that has killed or injured has said there were well trained and a big softy. Not one said " He was a nightmare, it was only a matter of time".
How many cows are at the average park playing fetch? I've not seen that much poo in the poo bins, so I'm guessing they aren't.
BSM - I'm sure every owner of every dog that has killed or injured has said there were well trained and a big softy. Not one said " He was a nightmare, it was only a matter of time".
How many cows are at the average park playing fetch? I've not seen that much poo in the poo bins, so I'm guessing they aren't.
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fabs, no one said train.
I didn't say kill humans. I said trained to kill.
http://listverse.com/2011/08/23/top-10-banned-dog-breeds/
Yes they are all banned (somewhere in the world, maybe not the UK)
Fighting dogs, dogs trained to take on Lions etc.
So I am not ill educated. Dogs have been bread to kill etc. etc. I didn't say the current breads, but the fact remains.
I didn't say kill humans. I said trained to kill.
http://listverse.com/2011/08/23/top-10-banned-dog-breeds/
Yes they are all banned (somewhere in the world, maybe not the UK)
Fighting dogs, dogs trained to take on Lions etc.
So I am not ill educated. Dogs have been bread to kill etc. etc. I didn't say the current breads, but the fact remains.
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Boerboel come pretty close I supose - as originally bred they were supposed to have an inbred dislike of coloured people - although that has been pretty much bred out now in 99% of cases , but even they were only bred to kill intruders (whether criminals, attackers, or lions hyenas etc) they were also bred to be fiercely protective of 'their' people, so if properly trained and supervised they would not pose a risk to the family they were guarding
tHe only other one I can think of is Tosa which were bred specifically for dog fighting
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"Train"? You said "Bred" which is very different.
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Personally I'm sick of people who drive like bampots - , I hate them driving like absolute arseholes and putting myself and my family at risk - I was nearly killed when I was knocked of my motorbike by one such dick head, I hate the spurious justifications such people come out with when they get caught. Could you explain why anyone needs a road car capable of more than 100mph when the national limit is 70 ?
Since based on these stats cars are more than 10 times more dangerous than dogs lets ban anything with an engine larger than 1 litre (except for those with a genuine work justification) and fit speed limiters for 50mph to all.
(and no - I'm not entirely serious, its a parallel to show how ridiculous the anti dog argument is. )
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mmm...wow.
Unfortunately I've got work to do otherwise I would spend more time on the more realistic points
Steve- your ex is clearly a moron who is not fit to own any dog.
My requirements for a dog:
Must be hardy- ie not bother about cold, mud, rain, snow etc
Capable of carrying ropes, clips, climbing gear etc
Low shedder
Tolerant of other dogs/cats
Able to run 10K or longer over difficult terrain
Large enough so I'm not stooping to clap
Large enough so I'm not tripping over it at my feet from not looking down all the time moving around the house to see if its their
It's my job to protect the dogs and my family. I don't have dogs to protect me or boost my status.
The problems stem from people that don't socialise, train or understand their breed of dogs. Dogs require lots of effort.
I accept that while I'd like a dogo having lived with one in the states- they would end up in the hands of neds without current laws and there would be issues through no fault of the dog. I could get a licence and a dogo tomorrow but it would have to be on a lead and muzzled which doesn't seem fair to the dog.
Out running this week I had a lab bound up to me jumping up. Now this was fine although I did have to stop and disrupt the run but I could tell it was young and just doing what a puppy does so no harm. The owners were out of site at that point and part of me thinks they should have more control over their dog- not a position I want to be in which is why they are trained.
A quick scour of youtube the other night showed just how stupid people are- filming their baby pulling the loose flesh on a dogos mouth and laughing and kids hanging off a ridgeback and chasing it around the house to letting babies clumsily pat the dog and falling into it.
As for fouling- it's as bad as those who litter and just as irresponsible. I come across a few bags that I pick up- they go to the trouble of bagging but then just dump the bag??. Still, better than those that do nothing I guess
Unfortunately I've got work to do otherwise I would spend more time on the more realistic points
Steve- your ex is clearly a moron who is not fit to own any dog.
My requirements for a dog:
Must be hardy- ie not bother about cold, mud, rain, snow etc
Capable of carrying ropes, clips, climbing gear etc
Low shedder
Tolerant of other dogs/cats
Able to run 10K or longer over difficult terrain
Large enough so I'm not stooping to clap
Large enough so I'm not tripping over it at my feet from not looking down all the time moving around the house to see if its their
It's my job to protect the dogs and my family. I don't have dogs to protect me or boost my status.
The problems stem from people that don't socialise, train or understand their breed of dogs. Dogs require lots of effort.
I accept that while I'd like a dogo having lived with one in the states- they would end up in the hands of neds without current laws and there would be issues through no fault of the dog. I could get a licence and a dogo tomorrow but it would have to be on a lead and muzzled which doesn't seem fair to the dog.
Out running this week I had a lab bound up to me jumping up. Now this was fine although I did have to stop and disrupt the run but I could tell it was young and just doing what a puppy does so no harm. The owners were out of site at that point and part of me thinks they should have more control over their dog- not a position I want to be in which is why they are trained.
A quick scour of youtube the other night showed just how stupid people are- filming their baby pulling the loose flesh on a dogos mouth and laughing and kids hanging off a ridgeback and chasing it around the house to letting babies clumsily pat the dog and falling into it.
As for fouling- it's as bad as those who litter and just as irresponsible. I come across a few bags that I pick up- they go to the trouble of bagging but then just dump the bag??. Still, better than those that do nothing I guess
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How dare you, I'm never silly
BSM - I'm sure every owner of every dog that has killed or injured has said there were well trained and a big softy. Not one said " He was a nightmare, it was only a matter of time".
How many cows are at the average park playing fetch? I've not seen that much poo in the poo bins, so I'm guessing they aren't.
actually the most recent dog - which the arse hole boy friend bought in a pub - was described by its previous owner as being "unpredictable and a bit of a handful" exactly what you want in a malamute :banghead: - mind you I wouldn't buy a dog off a bloke in a pub either - or leave a dog alone with a small kid.
Cows - quite a few in the countryside though
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speaking as a countryside worker who's been showered with anaerobically decomposed dog slurry while strimming on more than one occasion - I can heartily say that I'd rather they did nothing - if they aren't going to bin it, don't bag it , just flick it into the bushes and leave it to decay naturally
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Fair point Pete, don't envy you there
Yes, I don't mind if they are caught short of bags or whatever- just get it well of the paths
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if they really must bag it and drop it don't tie the flipping bag up - problems come when the bag inflates like a particularly foetid water balloon then bursts when strimmer nylon hits it (now I'm team leader I don't have to suffer it myself, but my guys still do)
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Have you not heard of the faeces fairy?
Its very much like the tooth fairy.
They take the bag away and leave a fiver in its place.
However as the selfish people that leave them there,
"drop and run" they don't hang around long enough to collect the fiver.
Someone else always seem to pick that up too
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Have you not heard of the faeces fairy?
Its very much like the tooth fairy.
They take the bag away and leave a fiver in its place.
However as the selfish people that leave them there,
"drop and run" they don't hang around long enough to collect the fiver.
Someone else always seem to pick that up too
Lol, indeed.
Be nice if the owners were to leave a pound or so with the bag to remove. That would be a nice annual sum for the guide dogs or shelters. Sadly that notion of payment to remove is now probably the most ridiculous thing said in this thread- well maybe not
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Rotweiller, Rhodesian Ridge back, Staffies etc. are they not bred to hunt/kill/fight. Is it really appropriate these are in the public domain. Why does anyone need one. Could a less dangerous dog with a more predictable nature not be bought. Animals like that are fit only for bring kept in the zoo
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See my other comments re dogs, my experience is that's the norm. Most people I've met (there are a few) aren't fully in control of their dog a s they do unpredictable things.
Separate dog free routes would be great or areas where dogs are banned would be most welcome
Separate dog free routes would be great or areas where dogs are banned would be most welcome
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You just like big scary dangerous dogs that most reasonable members of the public would acknowledge pose a significant threat to people, particularly children.
I'm with the law on this one.
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So young children should be exposed to big unpredictable natured dogs in the off chance the people know how took after it so the child stands a chance of not getting mawled.
Luckily most parents accept the danger of dogs and most are responsible enough not to expose their kids to a dangerous/unpredictable breed like Staffies, Rowdesian ridgeback rotweillers etc.
I pity the kids who are as they are so vulnerable and at risk it's not funny. The law is doing something about it, that makes me happy.
Luckily most parents accept the danger of dogs and most are responsible enough not to expose their kids to a dangerous/unpredictable breed like Staffies, Rowdesian ridgeback rotweillers etc.
I pity the kids who are as they are so vulnerable and at risk it's not funny. The law is doing something about it, that makes me happy.
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Staffie =/= Pit Bull
They look very similar so they are often cross bred so that they look 'safe' but are actually 'dangerous'.
Guarantee that virtually every attack by a Staffie wasn't a pure breed.
Our rescue (female) who is supposedly pure Staffie (according to vets and the RSPCA) is 20kg, significantly heavier than Staffies should be, she also has slightly loose lips which a pure Staffie wouldn't have.
They look very similar so they are often cross bred so that they look 'safe' but are actually 'dangerous'.
Guarantee that virtually every attack by a Staffie wasn't a pure breed.
Our rescue (female) who is supposedly pure Staffie (according to vets and the RSPCA) is 20kg, significantly heavier than Staffies should be, she also has slightly loose lips which a pure Staffie wouldn't have.
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And by not exposing them you let fear nurture and then they grow up fearing all dogs.
A far more sensible thing would be to teach kids not to approach any dog without talking to the owner first. There's a few kids near by us who like to approach our dog - she's scared of them and hides behind my, or my other half's, legs.
If, and this is very rare and only when we're away from populous areas, we're walking our dog and she's off the lead she's never more than about 5m away from us and as soon as we see anyone else we recall her to put the lead on. I'm still not totally confident of her recalling to me so won't do it unless my other half is around.