Cecil The Lion...killed

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viv1969 said:
And the point of that article is?
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To provide information? Oh yes, information and updates are not required to take part in discussions here are they :rolleyes:
 
new2me said:
To provide information? Oh yes, information and updates are not required to take part in discussions here are they :rolleyes:
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viv1969 said:
That's very true.
But nor does it mean people should gather at your place of work, or your home, literally beying for your blood.
He did a stupid, cruel, thoughtless thing, and I hope he regrets it for the rest of his natural.

But do I think he should be extradited? No.
Do I think he should serve time? No.

Do I think the outraged bandwagoners should crawl back under their rocks too? Yes.

Killing these magnificent creatures is despicable, but tge systematic killing of other humans, which is happening in several regions, is worse, and I think folk need to get their perspectives in order.

Just. My. Opinion.
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I'm not defending the haters, it's hideously out of context. I'd like to see the b*****d pay his dues though, I can't see why he should have to go into hiding, it's the sad mix of tabloid mentality and real life in the form of social media that really needs some intelligent thought that appears to be beyond the grasp of too many. We should make sure that the due legal process is followed.

But do I think he should be extradited? Yes.
Do I think he should serve time? Yes.

I don't think I can defend a foreign government for locking up drug traffickers (even when I think the legalisation debate should be had intelligently), and then allow this a******e to walk free.
Do I think the outraged bandwagoners should crawl back under their rocks too? Yes, and possibly have a couple of them arrested to make a point.

Killing these magnificent creatures is despicable, but tge systematic killing of other humans, which is happening in several regions, is worse, and I think folk need to get their perspectives in order. Absolutely right
 
dod said:
Are you two not getting the message??? It's really time to stop
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Nod was having trouble with a link. I supplied it. Ruth had a dig. Sorry I should have just reported it :)
 
Phil V said:
Killing these magnificent creatures is despicable, but tge systematic killing of other humans, which is happening in several regions, is worse, and I think folk need to get their perspectives in order. Absolutely right
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Is it though? Sure, as a human I have a natural affinity to my own species, but we are all animals. It all depends on what you are using to value that animal life. The systematic killing of all animals should cause outrage, whether human or otherwise, so I don't think there is a need to worry about people's perspective here.
 
Phil V said:
Killing these magnificent creatures is despicable, but tge systematic killing of other humans, which is happening in several regions, is worse, and I think folk need to get their perspectives in order. Absolutely right
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The problem of crimes against human rights around the world is way beyond the average joe's capability of tackling. If someone here has a solution, it's be great to hear it :thumbs:
 
Nod said:
For some reason, the address bar isn't showing so I can't C&P the link to the Telegraph story that suggests that the MAXIMUM penalty for the crime is $400. A Google for telegraph cecil $400 will find it though. I suppose a significant drop in earnings until people forget all about this might be a minor itch to the c*** but not enough IMO.
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Sorry Nod, for taking the time to post that link for you. It's obvious that assistance in helping a thread flow is not appreciated by some :thumbs:
 
TimmyG said:
Is it though? Sure, as a human I have a natural affinity to my own species, but we are all animals. It all depends on what you are using to value that animal life. The systematic killing of all animals should cause outrage, whether human or otherwise, so I don't think there is a need to worry about people's perspective here.
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I think there is, there has been thousands of column inches and associated TV news coverage over the death of a single lion, It's good that the issue has been highlighted and I hope the b*****d responsible gets locked up, but while we've been discussing that, thousands of other animals and hundreds of human beings have been needlessly killed. Perspective, the number of supposedly liberal do-gooders who have brayed for the torture and death of the dentist is saddening to me, because they're ignoring the everyday but harder to find stories about other deaths and torture etc.
 
Phil V said:
the number of supposedly liberal do-gooders who have brayed for the torture and death of the dentist is saddening to me, because they're ignoring the everyday but harder to find stories about other deaths and torture etc.
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You are sounding like ST4 and others here. You have no idea what these "do gooders" do with their lives and if they are ignoring other concerns.
 
Phil V said:
I think there is, there has been thousands of column inches and associated TV news coverage over the death of a single lion, It's good that the issue has been highlighted and I hope the b*****d responsible gets locked up, but while we've been discussing that, thousands of other animals and hundreds of human beings have been needlessly killed. Perspective, the number of supposedly liberal do-gooders who have brayed for the torture and death of the dentist is saddening to me, because they're ignoring the everyday but harder to find stories about other deaths and torture etc.
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Ok good point, well made.
 
new2me said:
You are sounding like ST4 and others here. You have no idea what these "do gooders" do with their lives and if they are ignoring other concerns.
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I agree with Phil (and Ruth) that those baying for blood (the dentist's) may need to get a grip. Those seeking justice through the rule of law though I fully support (although I wish the law was a bit more harsh in this country and elsewhere for wildlife crimes such as this).
 
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Phil V said:
I think there is, there has been thousands of column inches and associated TV news coverage over the death of a single lion, It's good that the issue has been highlighted and I hope the b*****d responsible gets locked up, but while we've been discussing that, thousands of other animals and hundreds of human beings have been needlessly killed. Perspective, the number of supposedly liberal do-gooders who have brayed for the torture and death of the dentist is saddening to me, because they're ignoring the everyday but harder to find stories about other deaths and torture etc.
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Thank you for writing this! I have been amazed and appalled a number of times in this forum by people (in the name of animal welfare) claiming that they like seeing people killed or maimed. The irony is staggering.
 
new2me said:
Sorry I should have just reported it :)
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You should have just ignored it. I'll PM you my thoughts why.

Edit: hmm, I'm 'not allowed' to PM you. :shrug:
 
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Ricardodaforce said:
Thank you for writing this! I have been amazed and appalled a number of times in this forum by people (in the name of animal welfare) claiming that they like seeing people killed or maimed. The irony is staggering.
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I could only be bothered scanning the first page, but the only post I saw where someone said they would "like" to see human suffering was this one

ST4 said:
I'd like to see the dentist haters/lion lovers live amongst lions. That would be truly epic entertainment.
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If there are other posts where someone has explicitly expressed a like for such suffering, please point me in it's direction.
 
new2me said:
You are sounding like ST4 and others here. You have no idea what these "do gooders" do with their lives and if they are ignoring other concerns.
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I know that there's not a thousand posts on my twitter feed / facebook / here / at work / everywhere else I go. No, I don't know what they do in private, but I know what winds them up to rant publicly - it's stories like this which catch the public mood.

So unless you can prove to me that everyone who has made a point of outrage regarding this lion is secretly an outstanding contributor to Amnesty and several Animal charities, then I'm happy to believe I have enough evidence to back up my conclusion. :)

BTW I'm ignoring the comparison to Steve, I'll assume it's a bad joke, as anyone who's aware of my posting history would know how ridiculous that statement is.
 
Llamaman said:
Edit: hmm, I'm 'not allowed' to PM you. :shrug:
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I must have unchecked the conversations box after getting so many love letters in the past :whistle:
 
new2me said:
I could only be bothered scanning the first page, but the only post I saw where someone said they would "like" to see human suffering was this one
If there are other posts where someone has explicitly expressed a like for such suffering, please point me in it's direction.
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Well this was just the first page - you have a great auto filter...

simonblue said:
I hope they get this guy,and he lose everything :mad:
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Dave1 said:
...Justice would be him getting gut shot with a crossbow and then letting him suffer for 40 hours...
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Mr Bump said:
Hope some red neck pops an arrow in his ase
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Keith W said:
Meanwhile in other news from Zimbabwe human rights abuses continue on a massive scale each and every day with people being beaten, tortured and murdered, whilst others starve.....
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This.......
 
Phil V said:
Well this was just the first page - you have a great auto filter...
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Ricardo was quite specific about people liking the thought of human suffering .... I don't think your examples fulfil that and am "happy to believe I have enough evidence to back up my conclusion. :)"
 
new2me said:
Ricardo was quite specific about people liking the thought of human suffering .... I don't think your examples fulfil that and am "happy to believe I have enough evidence to back up my conclusion. :)"
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Really - you know how to twist a thread round - FFS there are 2 very specifically different points mangled there - go and have a lie down and think about your behaviour.
 
Phil V said:
Really - you know how to twist a thread round - FFS there are 2 very specifically different points mangled there - go and have a lie down and think about your behaviour.
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You really are sounding like ST4 now.
 
new2me said:
You really are sounding like ST4 now.
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Why? because I have said something you disagree with?

Jeez, if you actually read my posts, with context and a little intelligence - instead of looking for a fight, you'll find we set off from the same place. If this is how you treat 'friends' you must have a wonderfully happy existence :banghead:
 
Nod said:
For some reason, the address bar isn't showing so I can't C&P the link to the Telegraph story that suggests that the MAXIMUM penalty for the crime is $400. A Google for telegraph cecil $400 will find it though. I suppose a significant drop in earnings until people forget all about this might be a minor itch to the c*** but not enough IMO.
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The chairman of the Zimbabwe conservation task force seems to suggest it can be up to 15 years. That seems much more fitting for this kind of crime in my opinion.
 
new2me said:
Ricardo was quite specific about people liking the thought of human suffering .... I don't think your examples fulfil that and am "happy to believe I have enough evidence to back up my conclusion. :)"
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Hard to search and quote all the examples when on an iPad mini, but here's one example:

"Nothing pleases me more than seeing some pic of the bullfighter getting gored".

Now I have read a lot of stuff like that in this forum over the years.
 
viv1969 said:
In fact, the majority of yanks who hunt do so with no professional assistance whatsoever.
They simply load up the pick-up with guns, ammunition, beer and their mates and head off into the woods.
For some animals they require a licence (bears, cougars, bighorn etc.), but for most they do not; it just needs to be in season.
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That could be even worse as there is no follow up to make sure an animal that has been shot and injured is traced to ensure a clean kill.

It's not just Americans though. A couple of years ago [in England] I was walking with my dog and came across a rabbit that had been shot with a crossbow bolt. The bolt had gone in through the eye and was protruding through the back of the head -- the rabbit was still alive and trying to walk. I saw a woman walk past it before I got to it and she didn't have the balls to do anything so when I got to the rabbit I did the job. After the event I removed the bolt and broke it in half, I would have preferred to have broken the crossbow itself and then the head of the moron that fired it too.
 
Ricardodaforce said:
"Nothing pleases me more than seeing some pic of the bullfighter getting gored".

Now I have read a lot of stuff like that in this forum over the years.
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What do Spanish bullfighters and an American dentist have in common?
 
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A lot of you are making a lot of assumptions,that because some are upset by this story that for some reason we don't care about anything else,if some of you feel strongly about something maybe start a thread about it,instead of just trolling on this thread :(
 
Ricardodaforce said:
Hard to search and quote all the examples when on an iPad mini, but here's one example:
"Nothing pleases me more than seeing some pic of the bullfighter getting gored".
Now I have read a lot of stuff like that in this forum over the years.
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We are not allowed to reference other threads to make a point Richard, so I'll report this as there is no evidence in this particular thread of anyone liking human suffering, apart from Steve who we know is allowed to break all the rules.

Phil V said:
Why? because I have said something you disagree with?
Jeez, if you actually read my posts, with context and a little intelligence - instead of looking for a fight, you'll find we set off from the same place. If this is how you treat 'friends' you must have a wonderfully happy existence :banghead:
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Ahhh, the same old "if you actually read my posts" and lack of intelligence.

simonblue said:
A lot of you are making a lot of assumptions,that because some are upset by this story that for some reason we don't care about anything else,if some of you feel strongly about something maybe start a thread about it,instead of just trolling on this thread :(
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This is exactly what I was expecting. Those pointing the finger saying "what about the people" don't give a damn about the people of Zimbabwe, or the lion, so why do they come into a thread about the lion and have a go at the people that do. The 'benefits' organised hunting bring to 'conservation' are questionable and it has be discussed before here, at least the topic has been skimmed until 'somebody' has bulldozed it with their view. Cecil's death was illegal, pure and simple, Personally, I do not side with the braying for blood mob, but equally, find the views of others that generalise about complainants to be quite blinkered.
 
new2me said:
We are not allowed to reference other threads to make a point Richard, so I'll report this as there is no evidence in this particular thread of anyone liking human suffering, apart from Steve who we know is allowed to break all the rules.
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Report away. You know where the button is. I never did say I was referring to this thread. If you read again, I said "in this forum". You asked for an example, so I gave you one.
 
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Whether the killing of Cecil was legal or illegal, for the good of the country's economy or beneficial to wildlife conservation, what bothers me most is what goes through the minds of those people who get enjoyment out of killing animals for no reason other than their own satisfaction. :confused:

There must be a thesis in there for some budding psychologists!
 
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f1charlie said:
Whether the killing of Cecil was legal or illegal, for the good of the country's economy or beneficial to wildlife conservation, what bothers me most is what goes through the minds of those people who get enjoyment out of killing animals for no reason other than their own satisfaction. :confused:

There must be a thesis in there for some budding psychologists!
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Some of the higher primates (particularly chimpanzees and bonobos) take part in organized hunts. As well as providing a source of high-value nutrition, it acts as a bonding exercise for the group, since cooperation is required for the hunt to be successful.
As a result, it is not surprising that there is still a primal urge to hunt wired into the human brain, although it is clearly much stronger in some than others. I'm not against hunting in general, but it does disturb me that many hunters seem to take special satisfaction from the rarity of the animal they kill - this is strange, and presents a risk to conservation efforts unless we can successfully harness it (such as the hunting of bred lions to fund conservation of wild ones - I don't like it, but it's better than extinct lions).

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