Cecil The Lion...killed

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big soft moose said:
So presumably Jericho will now take over the pride, but the question is will he allow Cecil's cubs to live, and will he need to form another alliance with another male in order to keep on top of the pride ? (plus of course will he in fact succeed or will he find that without cecil he is displaced by a third lion ? )

It will be intersting to see what happens next in terms of pride dynamics
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Could be any of the above. Defending 'ownership' of the pride is probably one of the reasons for lions forming coalitions/reproductive alliances in the first place, where there is significant competition. We'll see. Incoming males killing cubs, to bring the females into season, does have the positive effect of preventing inbreeding and improving the gene pool.
 
Gremlin said:
Listening to the news on the radio earlier seems the locals aren't happy and likely to boycott his business
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You could be right there
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Gremlin said:
Only just heard that on the news, absolutely disgusting, is this going to be the new way of murdering these animals, what next an elephant with a crossbow :(
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Traditionally, I think you hamstring them in both back legs and let them bleed out if you have cut deep enough.
 
There are numerous posts being reported in this thread but I'm picking out this one for special treatment.

This is trolling. Nothing more, nothing less. Do it again and you're getting the dunt. No arguments, no more warnings. In fact, the only reason you're still here is that I'm waiting to calm down so that any decision I do make is done in a calm reasoned manner.

ST4 said:
Why do you hope he loses everything. What had he done to you?

My view is thus. A lion would kill you or I in a New York minute. Lions do not care about human welfare. One less lion in the world is a triumph, not a tragedy. They are cruel and savage beasts, they kill other lion cubs of different male lions if the male dies.Look at how they live. They are truly awful savage creatures.

A tax paying American is being vilified for having a fun holiday and doing us all a favour. That's the tragedy.
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dod said:
There are numerous posts being reported in this thread but I'm picking out this one for special treatment.

This is trolling. Nothing more, nothing less. Do it again and you're getting the dunt. No arguments, no more warnings. In fact, the only reason you're still here is that I'm waiting to calm down so that any decision I do make is done in a calm reasoned manner.
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That's what I was trying to say earlier he is posting stuff just to get a reaction
It's a shame because you used to be able to have a decent discussion on here even if people disagreed it was amicable
 
LCPete said:
That's what I was trying to say earlier he is posting stuff just to get a reaction
It's a shame because you used to be able to have a decent discussion on here even if people disagreed it was amicable
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the best thing to do with trolls* is to just report and ignore them - and put them on ignore if they are persistent . If no one rises to the bait they get bored and b****r off

(*actually the best thing to do with trolls is to shoot and skin them for sport, before burying their carcases with a stake through their hearts... but that s*** is illegal)
 
LCPete said:
It's a shame because you used to be able to have a decent discussion on here even if people disagreed it was amicable
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No you couldn't. That's lies. Why would you say such a thing, you steaming sack of sh..... oh. :oops: :$
Personally, I blame Thatcher. :exit:

big soft moose said:
the best thing to do with trolls* is to just report and ignore them ... If no one rises to the bait they get bored and b****r off
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Off you go then. Would you like a hand with your bags? :sneaky: :LOL:
 
Llamaman said:
America:

Dentist shoots a lion: forced into hiding, receive death threats.

Police officer shoots unarmed civilian: receive paid administrative leave.
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Would you rather see the Police Officer is forced into hiding and receiving death threats? Or that the Dentists isn't forced into hiding and doesn't receive death threats?

Me, I would prefer the later. There is a justice system, there are extradition treaties, let it do its job. The lawless society, the posting of his address and holiday home details online, the harassment he is receiving, lets not forget those are all criminal acts and I fully expect those to be picked up for that. It is not how a modern and civil society should deal with such situations in my mind. We should not through him to the Lions, yes pun intended.
 
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dejongj said:
Would you rather see the Police Officer is forced into hiding and receiving death threats? Or that the Dentists isn't forced into hiding and doesn't receive death threats?
Me, I would prefer the later. There is a justice system, there are extradition treaties, let it do its job. The lawless society, the posting of his address and holiday home details online, the harassment he is receiving, lets not forget those are all criminal acts and I fully expect those to be picket up for that. It is not how a modern and civil society should deal with such situations in my mind. We should not through him to the Lions, yes pun intended.
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I totally agree. It seems a bit weird that people expect due process for gunning down a human, but kill a wild animal and people lose all sense of proportion. What the 'hunter' did was wrong (probably) , but there is a legal process to deal with that.
 
big soft moose said:
the best thing to do with trolls* is to just report and ignore them - and put them on ignore if they are persistent . If no one rises to the bait they get bored and b****r off

(*actually the best thing to do with trolls is to shoot and skin them for sport, before burying their carcases with a stake through their hearts... but that s*** is illegal)
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:D:D
 
Actually what the hunter did was the tip of the iceberg ... in truth he/they just chose the wrong lion!
 
Llamaman said:
I totally agree. It seems a bit weird that people expect due process for gunning down a human, but kill a wild animal and people lose all sense of proportion. What the 'hunter' did was wrong (probably) , but there is a legal process to deal with that.
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And I think it also demonstrates how stupid they are, it is all traceable. To me they are the same as Walter...
 
dejongj said:
And I think it also demonstrates how stupid they are, it is all traceable. To me they are the same as Walter...
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Killing a living thing is wrong! Kill something and we will , er, kill you. Hang on, is that right?

I'm yet to be convinced that the solution to the world's problems are violence and killing people. We've tried that (a LOT) and it doesn't seem to be working...

But I suppose it is a country where life is held pretty cheap, depending on whose life it is. [/social commentary]
 
viv1969 said:
You said he doesn't contribute to the forums.
You are wrong.
You may not like his opinions, but that still leaves you wrong.

And I'll take your comment about morals seriously when you can answer the question.
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It is my opinion that he doesn't contribute to the forum and because I believe it then I am right. You may not agree but that doesn't make me wrong.

As for morals. We, as the dominant species, have a moral responsibility to behave in an appropriate manner towards species that don't have our abilities and decision making capabilities to ensure that they are treated with respect and not used to create enjoyment for ourselves.

Anyone who think it's acceptable to behave in this way, and in the many other instances that we see in the press, need to have a good look at then selves in the mirror because if you support it then you are no better than the perpetrator.
 
Gaz J said:
It is my opinion that he doesn't contribute to the forum and because I believe it then I am right. You may not agree but that doesn't make me wrong.
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FFS why does every emotive topic have to revolve around ST4?
All you are doing is perpetrating the myths and legends ;)
 
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MartynK said:
Yip, but I've heard of it before. Coalitions are more common amongst Cheetah brothers, because the cats aren't very powerful and cooperation let's them tackle larger prey, but male lions do occasionally form alliances within a pride. There's usually a senior and junior partner, and the reasons probably include enhanced hunting capability and territorial domination, and possibly shared reproductive rights. The last part is controversial and isn't fully understood.
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I knew that related male cheetahs cooperated in this way, for the reasons that you said,
Lions have always been *known* to be solitary creatures, if they don't have a pride of their own.
And to defend that pride almost to the death if they have to, from a young pretender.
Its amazing what they can find out, these days with the aid of tracking collars and the like :thumbs:
 
Can a weapons grade bell-end ever truly be regarded as a legend?
 
Gaz J said:
It is my opinion that he doesn't contribute to the forum and because I believe it then I am right. You may not agree but that doesn't make me wrong.

As for morals. We, as the dominant species, have a moral responsibility to behave in an appropriate manner towards species that don't have our abilities and decision making capabilities to ensure that they are treated with respect and not used to create enjoyment for ourselves.

Anyone who think it's acceptable to behave in this way, and in the many other instances that we see in the press, need to have a good look at then selves in the mirror because if you support it then you are no better than the perpetrator.
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Blimey I hope you've wrapped a scarf around you up there, I wouldn't want you to catch a cold :thumbs:
 
Cobra said:
I knew that related male cheetahs cooperated in this way, for the reasons that you said,
Lions have always been *known* to be solitary creatures, if they don't have a pride of their own.
And to defend that pride almost to the death if they have to, from a young pretender.
Its amazing what they can find out, these days with the aid of tracking collars and the like (y)
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Young males (2 -3 years old) are expelled from the pride they grow up in and become nomads, but they're not always solitary and coalitions of two (often related) animals are quite common. Some eventually take over a pride, others remain nomadic. Old males, forced out of their own pride, normally live out the rest of their - typically short - lives alone.
 
Gaz J said:
It is my opinion that he doesn't contribute to the forum and because I believe it then I am right. You may not agree but that doesn't make me wrong.

As for morals. We, as the dominant species, have a moral responsibility to behave in an appropriate manner towards species that don't have our abilities and decision making capabilities to ensure that they are treated with respect and not used to create enjoyment for ourselves.

Anyone who think it's acceptable to behave in this way, and in the many other instances that we see in the press, need to have a good look at then selves in the mirror because if you support it then you are no better than the perpetrator.
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Yes, but who sets thos invisible moral benchmark?
 
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gramps said:
Actually what the hunter did was the tip of the iceberg ... in truth he/they just chose the wrong lion!
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Yep their have been 24 lions poach with tags from the same park in the last 2/3 years,but hopefully with him picking the wrong one and the headlines it has caused,more will be done to stop it.
 
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Anyway back on topic...

Walter has apologised and maintained that to him it was a legit hunt. A quick google shows that there are quite a few companies providing these services, I was shocked about that. And where I thought earlier that $50K was too cheap for this and should have been an indication that it was wrong, it is clear and for all to find that it is actually expensive and easily twice as much as the going rate. I'm shocked by that, I'm truly shocked by how little value these endangered animals have to this 'sport'. Whilst he has a bit of a dubious background, I must admit that the 'mystery' shopping puts a little different light on this for me. Sure still an awful act to do and I couldn't possible agree, however if it was made out to him to be legal then it is a little different.
 
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