Cecil The Lion...killed

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Dave1 said:
Sounds like the **** has managed to get back to the US, odds are if he doesn't return to Zimbabwe he will get away with it.

Justice would be him getting gut shot with a crossbow and then letting him suffer for 40 hours...
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It does seem like him being a rich America he will get away with it,i doubt the US will deport him :(
 
simonblue said:
It does seem like him being a rich America he will get away with it,i doubt the US will deport him :(
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It looks like there is still a chance of him being punished, according to a report I just found while trying to find the status of extradition treaties between the US and Zimbabwe (which surprisingly does exist).

However, Palmer didn’t just stumble upon the lion: According to Zimbabwean authorities quoted in the Independent, he allegedly bribed wildlife guides $55,000 for the honor. And a federal law called the Travel Act forbids foreign travel with the intent to engage in certain “unlawful activities” overseas. One of those activities is bribery. If Palmer traveled to Zimbabwe to hunt exotic species, and planned to bribe guides if necessary to access his prey, that offense would fall within the broad scope of the Travel Act. Palmer could be prosecuted in America for it.

The second way to make Palmer answer for his alleged crimes would be to extradite him to Zimbabwe to stand trial there. That would be a fairly simple affair. The United States has a generous extradition treaty with Zimbabwe, which contains a “dual criminality” clause. Under the treaty, if an American commits an act in Zimbabwe that is illegal under both American and Zimbabwean law—and which is punishable by more than one year in prison—America is “obligated” to extradite him to Zimbabwe (and vice versa). Palmer’s potential violation under the Travel Act is punishable by up to five years in prison under U.S. law; his alleged bribery is punishable by many years in prison in Zimbabwe. His crime thus fulfills the “dual criminality” requirement of the treaty, and America must extradite him to Zimbabwe if the government so desires.
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http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat...he_can_be_tried_in_the_u_s_or_extradited.html
 
Keith W said:
Meanwhile in other news from Zimbabwe human rights abuses continue on a massive scale each and every day with people being beaten, tortured and murdered, whilst others starve.....
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Something should be done about all this, and the nasty Rich American Lion Killer ....
 
Keith W said:
Meanwhile in other news from Zimbabwe human rights abuses continue on a massive scale each and every day with people being beaten, tortured and murdered, whilst others starve.....
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So maybe we shouldn't give a damn about anyone or anything then and just follow the selfish model of humanity that I believe others on the forum do.
 
Keith W said:
Meanwhile in other news from Zimbabwe human rights abuses continue on a massive scale each and every day with people being beaten, tortured and murdered, whilst others starve.....
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caring about one thing doesn't preclude caring about anything else.Being a human being I'm capable of feeling sorrow about more then one issue at a time
 
I was in two minds about this at first, meaning when you consider that the guy paid the license for it and everything. However then I noted the amount was next to nothing, surely Walter can't be seriously believing this was legit. And then when you read up on the form of this guy, taking what the papers presented at face value, he has consistently "hunted" under questionable circumstances.

Sure I know from experience by many close friends who have had to flee the country that Zimbabwe does not have a good humanitarian track record, however in this instance the guy knew that and considering his actions it should not be a factor not to extradite him. I hope the Zimbabwe authorities can get sufficient evidence together to pursue Walter through legal proceedings. It would set a great example that you can't get away with this.

new2me said:
So maybe we shouldn't give a damn about anyone or anything then and just follow the selfish model of humanity that I believe others on the forum do.
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Be careful when you land, it's quite a drop from up there ;)
 
Some interesting further news regarding the extradition treaty in this link.

http://www.twincities.com/localnews...ntist-accused-killing-zimbabwe-lion-illegally

As I seem to read it and understand it, it is a current and active treaty. The offence must carry a penalty of more than a year both in Zimbabwe and the U.S. Let's hope they get him.

On a different more dubious note, he also agreed to a us$ 127K out of court settlement to make a sexual harassment claim go away.

I bet he feeling very sorry for himself as this morning the whole world is waking up to this. And his address and telephone number is all over Facebook of both his practise and summer house.

Let be sensible enough to not post that here :thumbs:
 
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Apparently he didn't think he was doing anything wrong!!!

Regardless of the legality, which part of hunting, wounding, killing and finally skinning and beheading an endangered species did he think was ok?

Someone's moral compass must be a little more off.
 
simonblue said:
I hope they get this guy,and he lose everything :mad:


http://www.theguardian.com/environm...he-lion-was-american-zimbabwe-officials-claim

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/cecil-lion-dentist-who-paid-6153765
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Why do you hope he loses everything. What had he done to you?

My view is thus. A lion would kill you or I in a New York minute. Lions do not care about human welfare. One less lion in the world is a triumph, not a tragedy. They are cruel and savage beasts, they kill other lion cubs of different male lions if the male dies.Look at how they live. They are truly awful savage creatures.

A tax paying American is being vilified for having a fun holiday and doing us all a favour. That's the tragedy.
 
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ST4 said:
Why do you hope he loses everything. What had he done to you?

My view is thus. A lion would kill you or I in a New York minute. Lions do not care about human welfare. One less lion in the world is a triumph, not a tragedy. They are cruel and savage beasts, they kill other lion cubs of different male lions if the male dies.Look at how they live. They are truly awful savage creatures.

A tax paying American is being vilified for having a fun holiday and doing us all a favour. That's the tragedy.
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It was worth awaiting your arrival. Priceless entertainment!
 
ST4 said:
Why do you hope he loses everything. What had he done to you?

My view is thus. A lion would kill you or I in a New York minute. Lions do not care about human welfare. One less lion in the world is a triumph, not a tragedy. They are cruel and savage beasts, they kill other lion cubs of different male lions if the male dies.Look at how they live. They are truly awful savage creatures.

A tax paying American is being vilified for having a fun holiday and doing us all a favour. That's the tragedy.
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Obviously a world that only contains worthwhile human beings (those that pass the Steve test) would work a treat.
 
Teh sad news is that this is big business and money generation scheme for a country that is bankrupt, corrupt, struggling. There are many big game breeding farms with land specifically to attract these rich big game hunters. Doing it with a bow is hardly the right tool though, although there's been several reports recently that this is the latest trend, rifles being seen as too easy.
 
ST4 said:
Obviously there would be a need to hunt lions, foxes and other species for fun, and other animals to kill for meat but I get that a Steve test would make our world better.
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Bless ;)
 
ST4 said:
I'd like to see the dentist haters/lion lovers live amongst lions. That would be truly epic entertainment.
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They tried that once, quite popular but didnt last
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ST4 said:
Why do you hope he loses everything. What had he done to you?

My view is thus. A lion would kill you or I in a New York minute. Lions do not care about human welfare. One less lion in the world is a triumph, not a tragedy. They are cruel and savage beasts, they kill other lion cubs of different male lions if the male dies.Look at how they live. They are truly awful savage creatures.

A tax paying American is being vilified for having a fun holiday and doing us all a favour. That's the tragedy.
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Assume you're on a wind up Steve to get a reaction on here :D
Nature is savage that's the way it is but doesn't mean that we must wipe everything out because we don't like it
 
LCPete said:
Assume you're on a wind up Steve to get a reaction on here :D
Nature is savage that's the way it is but doesn't mean that we must wipe everything out because we don't like it
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Just stating my point of view on a forum I contribute a lot to.

We are part of nature, we have the skills and desire to hunt, or some of us do. Why shouldn't it happen. I think it should. I couldn't care less about the survival of the lion, just as it couldn't care less about the survival of me. These things breed, the species will not die out.
 
new2me said:
I'd like to think that Keith was just feeling sorry for himself, as he was sat alone in Club Insomnia
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@Keith W should have knocked for me, I was wide awake last night lol

Just watching it on the news now, pity he did not give that money to a really good cause :(
 
ST4 said:
Why do you hope he loses everything. What had he done to you?

My view is thus. A lion would kill you or I in a New York minute. Lions do not care about human welfare. One less lion in the world is a triumph, not a tragedy. They are cruel and savage beasts, they kill other lion cubs of different male lions if the male dies.Look at how they live. They are truly awful savage creatures.

A tax paying American is being vilified for having a fun holiday and doing us all a favour. That's the tragedy.
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Laughable.
 
Glad to see I'm not the only one who think this is beyond understanding. Although people don't need to eat meat, if they do, and kill an animal humanely for food, then I don't have a problem with it. I can understand killing an animal if it is a threat to their livelihood, but it is beyond my understanding why anyone would want to kill an animal for fun.

Dave
 
ST4 said:
Just stating my point of view on a forum I contribute a lot to.

We are part of nature, we have the skills and desire to hunt, or some of us do. Why shouldn't it happen. I think it should. I couldn't care less about the survival of the lion, just as it couldn't care less about the survival of me. These things breed, the species will not die out.
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Some people have the desire and skills to abuse children, I'm guessing that's OK too, so long as they're children from poor backgrounds and they don't have much chance of a life either, especially children of immigrants.
 
petition linked from the guardian page signed. I hope walt gets it in the neck.
 
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