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Sorry, but yes many were forcibly converted, and put to death (or at least left to die) if they defied.

1500years ago. Hardly relevant today or even how that religion conducts itself. Yet right here and now on planet earth that's exactly what Islam is doing and the extremists are growing in savagery and number, and it's spreading west.
 
To know what goes on there you don't have to. I've had several friends who have lived there. For us there, it's rather different than it is for them here.

I'm surprised you asked. Your initial quote was "really".
Really was asked of Marc and his question about Christianity in Saudi.

I thought you may have had first hand experience of religion in Saudi, no matter, question answered.
 
1500years ago. Hardly relevant today or even how that religion conducts itself. Yet right here and now on planet earth that's exactly what Islam is doing and the extremists are growing in savagery and number, and it's spreading west.

So the fact that it's right now, when you live, THAT'S what really matters.

The facts are of no interest to your chest thumping and pitchfork waving.

Ok, now we realise that, we can treat your vitriol accordingly.
 
1500years ago. Hardly relevant today or even how that religion conducts itself. Yet right here and now on planet earth that's exactly what Islam is doing and the extremists are growing in savagery and number, and it's spreading west.
I do have some sympathy on that stance. I mean with what people know today about history in general, why would any sane person want to go down that same horrible path, make the same mistakes all over again. It doesn't make any sense. So yes, why not learn from the past, not use the behaviours of others as an excuse, and do it better yourself. Especially for a religion of peace as so often is being exclaimed.
 
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I do have some sympathy on that stance. I mean with what people know today about history in general, why would any sane person want to go down that same horrible path, make the same mistakes all over again. It doesn't make any sense. So yes, why not learn from the past, not use the behaviours of others as an excuse, and do it better yourself. Especially for a religion of peace as so often is being exclaimed.

Thats true for so many causes of violence in the world. Unfortunately until the horrors of the past are forgiven then much of the world will never move forward. Sadly I doubt that will ever happen. Its not just one religion does that though.....
 
Thats true for so many causes of violence in the world. Unfortunately until the horrors of the past are forgiven then much of the world will never move forward. Sadly I doubt that will ever happen. Its not just one religion does that though.....
And not just religions ;) Although the irony, if you can call it that as I find it rather sad, is that forgiveness and lack of judgement is a big part of many religions.

In order to be able to let my wife have the full church wedding service I had to go to some "about to married" couples retreat and go through a weekend of training. It was a lovely place somewhere in Wales and we actually had some interesting discussions, as I did it for my now wife I did leave my preconceptions outside the front door and just joined in. As I am not affiliated to any one faith it was rather unique for me to attend and got special permission for it due to my wife's position. Anyway, only Father knew. At one stage he came up to me when I had a cigarette in the grounds and he said that in the discussions we had I'm "more" Christian than the others, and how come I wasn't of faith. For me the answer was simple, you don't have to be of faith to treat others in the way you want to be treated. I don't need a Church to guide and constraint me on the way to do great things. I think it is good to engage with people of all background be it of faith or not and take them for what they are, rather than what they seem to represent.

But then again, I am that kind of person that speaks to a stranger on public transport, greet people in the street, or wherever :)
 
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1500years ago. Hardly relevant today or even how that religion conducts itself. Yet right here and now on planet earth that's exactly what Islam is doing and the extremists are growing in savagery and number, and it's spreading west.
its extremely relevant. it shows religions are all the same throughout history.
 
And not just religions ;) Although the irony, if you can call it that as I find it rather sad, is that forgiveness and lack of judgement is a big part of many religions.


I always think theres is a great irony that Christianity, Judaism and Islam have many common beliefs and feature many of the same characters( although not always in the same roles) I suspect that if one approached all three religions with no knowledge of them before hand one wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
 
I always think theres is a great irony that Christianity, Judaism and Islam have many common beliefs and feature many of the same characters( although not always in the same roles) I suspect that if one approached all three religions with no knowledge of them before hand one wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
Indeed, now which one is Nikon, Canon or Pentax ;)
 
No, no one was ever forced to convert to a new religion before. Nor did they meet bloody and unpleasant deaths for refusing
Maybe not paganism, but the crusading knights were hardly peaceful in their attempts to convert the heretics & heathens, ;)
 
In order to be able to let my wife have the full church wedding service I had to go to some "about to married" couples retreat and go through a weekend of training.
I'm curious, care to expand?
 
So you think muslims shouldn't be allowed to practise their faith openly? How do you think this will help i solving the problem with islamic extremists?


works for me - same goes for all religion. shouldn't have it advertisted, shouldn't interfer with anything using god as a reason.

worship your god but do it in private and stop trying to convert people.
 
I'm curious, care to expand?
I can't remember it the exact name of the one that we having just googled it there seems to be so many like marriage encounter and engaged encounter weekends. All I remember if being given the choice of a setting in Central London, or a rural weekend away somewhere in Wales. I choose the latter :) There were I think 8 engaged couples there during the weekend, we had to sleep in separate rooms and that is not just from the other couples :P But yes it was a nicely chilled weekend away with interesting discussions, and great food and drink. And we are still married ;)
 
works for me - same goes for all religion. shouldn't have it advertisted, shouldn't interfer with anything using god as a reason.

worship your god but do it in private and stop trying to convert people.
And the same for mountain bikers, should be done in their own backyard and not interfere with anyone else.

See what I've done there? The intolerance to everyone else and what they do will some day come to you and each one of us. I think we must be think very careful before we pick up that stone and cast it.
 
can't remember it the exact name of the one that we having just googled it there seems to be so many
Actually I meant the actual idea behind it, was it accepting a certain religion? As you mentioned so your wife could do the whole church thing? I remember something from the past, my cousin had to go through. Some kind of pre ceremony, before she could marry into a catholic family
 
And the same for mountain bikers, should be done in their own backyard and not interfere with anyone else.

See what I've done there? The intolerance to everyone else and what they do will some day come to you and each one of us. I think we must be think very careful before we pick up that stone and cast it.

Mountain bikers don't knock on my door on a weekend (completely ignoring the notice outside telling them not to), dragging a couple of kids behind them, insisting that mountain biking will be my salvation, or that Aaron Gwin loves me.
 
Mountain bikers don't knock on my door on a weekend (completely ignoring the notice outside telling them not to), dragging a couple of kids behind them, insisting that mountain biking will be my salvation, or that Aaron Gwin loves me.


you want to try having the 3 day long, Jehovah's Witness convention at the end of your road. 30,000 of them walking past your door. Although ever since I invited one in 'to see my time machine' they've never knocked again. Funny that
 
Mountain bikers don't knock on my door on a weekend
No but I get iffy looking dog walkers letting their dogs p*** up my fledgling hedge :( luckily I was outside with a hose pipe rinsing my car off . .oops :D maybe that'll work for you too?
 
Actually I meant the actual idea behind it, was it accepting a certain religion? As you mentioned so your wife could do the whole church thing? I remember something from the past, my cousin had to go through. Some kind of pre ceremony, before she could marry into a catholic family
Ah sorry. No the idea behind it wasn't accepting a certain religion, I would just not do that at all. Now I am not expert on this, only done it once a long time ago :)

IIRC There are three services possible;
- Full mass with marriage rite - both be catholics and attend
- Marriage rite - a catholic and a non-Catholic but baptised, but catholics can do this if they don't want a long mass
- Marriage union - catholic and a non-Catholic but not baptised

Now all of this is down to the priest as well ;) So highly subjective which was one of my arguments against the whole thing but for the sake of my wife I kept quiet about that. As my wife was well known in the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults (RCIA) and done a lot of work of the years, many solo choir performances including Westminster and Barbican etc The priest agreed, following a discussion with myself as well, and the engagement encounter weekend, that we could have the full mass with marriage rite as it was in the interest of the whole of the parish. And at the day I knew why, the turnout was beyond my imagination, people were standing along the back and sides. He made the right decision.

The only strings, not legally binding, attached was to bring up children in the Catholic faith. So yes they were baptised, they go to Catholic schools, and they had their holy communion. I don't mind that, and the schools have been very good as each semester there are representatives of all faiths and humanities who will provide their interpretation. And with my eldest I can see that she is questioning it a lot in a very sensible and respectful manner inbetween the outbursts of "Its boring" ;)
 
And the same for mountain bikers, should be done in their own backyard and not interfere with anyone else.

See what I've done there? The intolerance to everyone else and what they do will some day come to you and each one of us. I think we must be think very careful before we pick up that stone and cast it.

its so clearly not the same thing at all though. Its not intolerance, I have no issue with people wanting to worship a "god".
 
Mountain bikers don't knock on my door on a weekend (completely ignoring the notice outside telling them not to), dragging a couple of kids behind them, insisting that mountain biking will be my salvation, or that Aaron Gwin loves me.
No they don't, well not that I know off, but they are oh so annoying when they go over the paths that I am walking my dog off the lead.

PS. The point is not against mountain bikers, the point is against this desire to constraint everyone else who has a behaviour or an idea that is not the same that we have. One day people will turn against that thing that you love.
 
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its so clearly not the same thing at all though. Its not intolerance, I have no issue with people wanting to worship a "god".
That is not what I suggested at all, but you don't want it advertised nor interfere with anything. You have an intolerance to that. I don't mind mountain bikers as long as they do it in their own backyard ;)

PS. I've got nothing against mountain bikers, as long as they don't wear the stupid reflective clothing in the country side. My dog especially likes the blue reflective colour and thinks they are a big chewy toy :)
 
Mountain bikers don't knock on my door on a weekend (completely ignoring the notice outside telling them not to), dragging a couple of kids behind them, insisting that mountain biking will be my salvation, or that Aaron Gwin loves me.

lol since aaron gwin is a good ole american bible basher
 
lol since aaron gwin is a good ole american bible basher

Then he's doubly f****d if he rocks up on my drive! :lol:
 
That is not what I suggested at all, but you don't want it advertised nor interfere with anything. You have an intolerance to that. I don't mind mountain bikers as long as they do it in their own backyard ;)

PS. I've got nothing against mountain bikers, as long as they don't wear the stupid reflective clothing in the country side. My dog especially likes the blue reflective colour and thinks they are a big chewy toy :)

I have intolerance to way that religious organisations behave. If I had intolerance to religion I would never visit my relatives nor would I have any friends that are muslim or christian. I don't believe that force feeding people lies, bullying, being abusive towards other people, being highly sexist, being totally intolerant to other people just because of their beliefs is somthing that should be advertised in public.
 
I have intolerance to way that religious organisations behave. If I had intolerance to religion I would never visit my relatives nor would I have any friends that are muslim or christian. I don't believe that force feeding people lies, bullying, being abusive towards other people, being highly sexist, being totally intolerant to other people just because of their beliefs is somthing that should be advertised in public.
And that is exactly my point, others will feel the same about certain things that you do. So your views aren't intolerant, but theirs are? Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds when you think about it? Then again I am not holding my breath for agreement on that one :thumbs:
 
And that is exactly my point, others will feel the same about certain things that you do. So your views aren't intolerant, but theirs are? Do you realise how ridiculous that sounds when you think about it? Then again I am not holding my breath for agreement on that one (y)

don't see how its your point. religion is sexist; fact, it is intolerant of other beliefs; fact, it has a history or abuse; fact, it causes no end of problems in the world; fact. this is not the same as me hating mushrooms while my wife doesn't. If someone is not intolerant of sexism then they have no place in today's sociaty. I'm not sure how you can argue differently
 
Yes. What people do in their own countries doesn't bother me, what happens and could happen here does.

That's not true though is it Steve.
Your concern, as previously stated by yourself, is for the entire western world, with your fear and bigotry directed rather exclusively towards the duskier regions in the middle east.
It's ok though, it must be tiring keeping track of your own bull5hit whilst diligently ignoring salient points.
 
don't see how its your point. religion is sexist; fact, it is intolerant of other beliefs; fact, it has a history or abuse; fact, it causes no end of problems in the world; fact. this is not the same as me hating mushrooms while my wife doesn't. If someone is not intolerant of sexism then they have no place in today's sociaty. I'm not sure how you can argue differently
Naturally...I'm glad it is all so clear to you.
 
steve peat, josh bryceland, Gee atherton, manon carpenter, rachael atherton? all British world cup and world champions :(

Saving information for future pub quiz use. :-)
 
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