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Ricardodaforce said:
I find this kind of blind following as abhorrent as that demonstrated by the scum doing the beheadings in the name of Islam. They only difference is that they act on their desire to rid the world of those that don't share their beliefs.
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It isn't a blind following though ... but then you approve of torturing bulls in the name of sport don't you, so I doubt I could ever come to take your opinion seriously.
 
gramps said:
It isn't a blind following though ... but then you approve of torturing bulls in the name of sport don't you, so I doubt I could ever come to take your opinion seriously.
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I also approve of cattle being culled for my food and wearing animal skin on my feet. So what? Oh and by the way, IF you are referring to bull-fighting, then it's not a sport. Not by definition, not by legal status.
 
ST4 said:
Islam is a cancer, it spreads, grows in size and potency and ultimately it kills. It needs cut out of European society. Christianity has been reigned back, controlled and moderated so it is benign. Islam is malignant.
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Islam itself is not a cancer, Islam is a religion which people are free to believe in. As with all religions, it's the wrong interpretation of that religion by the wrong people that causes the problems.
 
gramps said:
It isn't a blind following though ... but then you approve of torturing bulls in the name of sport don't you, so I doubt I could ever come to take your opinion seriously.
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Now that I don't find a very Christian comment...
 
Overexposed said:
Islam itself is not a cancer, Islam is a religion which people are free to believe in. As with all religions, it's the wrong interpretation of that religion by the wrong people that causes the problems.
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But isn't that the real issue? I mean who determines what is the wrong interpretation and which is not?
 
dejongj said:
But isn't that the real issue? I mean who determines what is the wrong interpretation and which is not?
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A new monk arrives at the monastery.
He is assigned to help the other monks in copying the old texts by hand.
He notices, however, that they are copying copies, and not the original books.

So, the new monk goes to the head monk to ask him about this.
He points out that if there was an error in the first copy, that error would be continued in all of the other copies.
The head monk says, "We have been copying from the copies for centuries, but you make a good point, my son."

So, he goes down into the cellar with one of the copies to check it against the original.
Hours later, nobody has seen him. So, one of the monks goes downstairs to look for him.
He hears sobbing coming from the back of the cellar and finds the old monk leaning over one of the original books crying. He asks what's wrong.

"The word is celebrate not celibate," says the old monk with tears in his eyes.
 
Roflmao :)
 
gramps said:
It's a convenient argument Nod but if you believe in an Almighty God it is hard to accept that puny men could prevent Him from preserving His message intact.
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gramps said:
It isn't a blind following though ... but then you approve of torturing bulls in the name of sport don't you, so I doubt I could ever come to take your opinion seriously.
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It is as blind as it could be. As are they all. Without proof, without merit. A crutch for the weak.
About as credible as anything written by L Ron Hubbard.

You wish to follow it? Knock yourself out. It is, after all, your life.
But it no longer has a place in society as a whole and divides fsr more than it unites.
 
gramps said:
It's a convenient argument Nod but if you believe in an Almighty God it is hard to accept that puny men could prevent Him from preserving His message intact.
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And those that don't believe find it impossible to imagine that 'the message' hasn't been changed/rewritten/translated/interpreted over the years.
 
Cobra said:
A new monk arrives at the monastery.
He is assigned to help the other monks in copying the old texts by hand.
He notices, however, that they are copying copies, and not the original books.

So, the new monk goes to the head monk to ask him about this.
He points out that if there was an error in the first copy, that error would be continued in all of the other copies.
The head monk says, "We have been copying from the copies for centuries, but you make a good point, my son."

So, he goes down into the cellar with one of the copies to check it against the original.
Hours later, nobody has seen him. So, one of the monks goes downstairs to look for him.
He hears sobbing coming from the back of the cellar and finds the old monk leaning over one of the original books crying. He asks what's wrong.

"The word is celebrate not celibate," says the old monk with tears in his eyes.
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Not forgetting the typo where one of the commandments read "Thou SHALT commit adultery." Plenty of other examples of bad copying HERE.

POAH said:
there has been aboutr 3000 gods over the years
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I would think that there have been many, many more than that TBH. (IF any!)
 
Phil V said:
Wilberforce may well have been a Christian and been following his faith (as he believed), but the Bishops in the House of Lords all voted against the bill to abolish slavery (again, presumably following their Christian doctrine).

If it was black and white we'd not be discussing this. For every good thing done in His name, there's something mean, or just plain wrong. You can't just pick out the good stuff. The people who commit genocide or abuse children believe as strongly as you do that they're following their Christian conviction.

And there's no causal link between groups of Atheists who do abhorrent things. If 2 people who smoke get lung cancer, there's a causal link, if 2 people who don't smoke get lung cancer, we don't suggest there's a link between not smoking and cancer. In exactly the same way, there's no link between not believing in a deity and commiting genocide.

Horrible people do horrible things, giving them to blame a belief system to prop up those behaviours is something we should grow out of, it's unhelpful for all of us.
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And likewise you can't just pick out the bad stuff. If you're a rational man, as I suspect, you probably rely on science and the good behaviour of scientists who follow proper process in their work. Yet there have been plenty who have been very happy to pay lip service to scientific method, yet happily knowingly falsify data for personal gain. There have also been plenty who considered it OK to gently 'breath' on data to help it support their theories - and these people are not bad or nasty - even though if they stepped back for a moment they might be a little surprised. I have been in meetings where opinion leaders have discussed whether a particular analyte was useful clinically, and with access to the same hard data and research have formed opposite opinions. People vary in their responses.

What I'm trying to say is that, as you suggest, not everything is black and white. And people make mistakes - I get it wrong on web forums sometimes and have to apologise. Bishops with deeply vested interests who are isolated from the realities of their actions and fed pompous BS may well make wrong decisions that have nothing to do with their Christian doctrine and everything to do with self-interest and financial pressure. Go a little further back and people seemed to think it was OK to burn those with differing religio-political affiliations at the stake, and at that time politics and religion (the religion was barely recognisable as having Christian origins) were utterly inseparable.

It doesn't make the Christian faith any less valid, meaningful or good in this post-Christian age, but it does mean we have a complicated history to pick through, where we must recognise that not everything done 'in the name of Jesus' was done in the name of Jesus.
 
ST4 said:
Perhaps then if you consider the brain power to write about photography and produce images like me, then you might consider theres enough brain power to work out exactly what is going on and likely to happen in our society.
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rofl! Quoted for posterity

Can't belive no one has commented on this conceited drivel!
 
ancient_mariner said:
Yet there have been plenty who have been very happy to pay lip service to scientific method, yet happily knowingly falsify data for personal gain.
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Part of a distant previous life, I was involved in research, and part of that involved quality control of "already on the market" products.
Insulin testing, now this is quite important, right?
Whether or not its still tested the same way, I have no idea, and won't go into details.

Once the results were in, they were checked against the BP
(The British Pharmacopoeia (BP) is an annual published collection of quality standards for UK medicinal substances.
It is used by individuals and organizations involved in pharmaceutical research, development, manufacture and testing.)

If the results showed a fail, the "head" would then run the data against the USP,( USA) who's "standards" were "lower"
IF it passed that, then it was deemed fit for the UK Market.
One would hope that practices have improved over the years ;)

 
The way I see the Muslim extremists is very similar to how other religions behaved in the times of the crusades, witch trails, etc

The only difference is they have more advanced weapons than were available back then.
 
ST4 said:
Given the events alone in France in the last 8 months, what do the three atrocities have in common. I'll give you a clue, its a religion, but not Christianity. HTH.
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How many atrocities have been commuted over the years in the name or religion. I'd wager the recent ones you keep banging on about are a drop in the ocean.


Rapscallion said:
rofl! Quoted for posterity

Can't belive no one has commented on this conceited drivel!
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Sorry I'm late..

ST4 said:
Perhaps then if you consider the brain power to write about photography and produce images like me, then you might consider theres enough brain power to work out exactly what is going on and likely to happen in our society.
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Get over youself.
 
Cobra said:
Part of a distant previous life, I was involved in research, and part of that involved quality control of "already on the market" products.
Insulin testing, now this is quite important, right?
Whether or not its still tested the same way, I have no idea, and won't go into details.

Once the results were in, they were checked against the BP
(The British Pharmacopoeia (BP) is an annual published collection of quality standards for UK medicinal substances.
It is used by individuals and organizations involved in pharmaceutical research, development, manufacture and testing.)

If the results showed a fail, the "head" would then run the data against the USP,( USA) who's "standards" were "lower"
IF it passed that, then it was deemed fit for the UK Market.
One would hope that practices have improved over the years ;)
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Sometimes things are better, depending on who sets QC release specs. I've been privileged to work with some very good people over the years, even if they were darned difficult at times.
 
gramps said:
Really?
Why call yourself Christian if you deny its very substance ... why not call yourself something else?
On what do you base your 'Christianity' if not on the bible?
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What a really sad thing to say. The follow blindly attitude and aggression which you and others display towards your religion is exactly why very few people have very little time and respect for you
 
I have time for Gramps - he's a nice guy but I don't have much time for his sermons!
 
ancient_mariner said:
Sometimes things are better, depending on who sets QC release specs. I've been privileged to work with some very good people over the years, even if they were darned difficult at times.
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This "one" was only ever interested in hitting targets ;)
 
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viv1969 said:
I thought no such thing. ..meeting you was indeed a pleasure.

Your choice of words interests me though; that you dont follow every piece of doctrine that comes from "on high". As a believer in that power on high, why would you not?

You are correct though. I am astounded that someone with such a scientific background can find anything, anything at all, of merit in religion.

I mean absolutely no disrespect, but is it perhaps a fear of death? Not being able to accept that when we die, that's it...it's over?

I had a twelve year Catholic education, yet had dismissed all religious teachings by age eight, and despite some horrible things happening in my life I have never felt the need for that kind of crutch.

I do stand by my earlier post.
Religion, on the whole, is in decline, and in my opinion that that can only ever be a good thing.
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It's all fair points. I just believe that science and religion can, and should peacefully co exists. Each informing the other. Science educating and discovering. Religion asking useful questions of that, (ie questioning just cause you can, should you). I think there's questions we will never answer, and religion can do great things in people's lives. Sadly it doesn't always.

I'm not sure why I believe, I honestly can't answer that. I know it's not a fear of death though. I do think we all have same higher purpose. A small part of something bigger. Sorry, I know that's a crappy cliche. I don't know how else to put it though.

I hadn't thought about my use of words when I used the phrase 'on high'. I was referring to religious leaders though, who often are sadly lacking
 
boyfalldown said:
I thought it was generally tolerated, if commonly only practiced in private. Bit like drinking wine
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Which is the stance we should take with Islam, it should be confined to the homes of those who practice it. No permission for mosques should have ever been granted IMHO and burkas etc banned from the outset
 
ST4 said:
Which is the stance we should take with Islam, it should be confined to the homes of those who practice it. No permission for mosques should have ever been granted IMHO and burkas etc banned from the outset
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One of the joys of living in the developed world is we have religious freedom. That cuts every way
 
fabs said:
So you think muslims shouldn't be allowed to practise their faith openly? How do you think this will help i solving the problem with islamic extremists?
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Yes. If this stance is taken the harder line ones will leave and the more moderate ones integrate better. The extremists would be hunted down by security services.

It would deter more Muslims coming to the uk and children of Muslim parents to adopt more western customs rather than cling to a religion that has it's routes in the Middle East.

Want a middle eastern life style, live in the Middle East.
 
ST4 said:
Which is the stance we should take with Islam, it should be confined to the homes of those who practice it. No permission for mosques should have ever been granted IMHO and burkas etc banned from the outset
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Shall we make them sew a letter M to their clothes when in public while we're at it?:rolleyes:
 
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