Cartoon exhibition cancelled in London

ST4 said:
Yes. If this stance is taken the harder line ones will leave and the more moderate ones integrate better. The extremists would be hunted down by security services.

It would deter more Muslims coming to the uk and children of Muslim parents to adopt more western customs rather than cling to a religion that has it's routes in the Middle East.

Want a middle eastern life style, live in the Middle East.
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The \Christianity you seem to hold so dear is a MIddle Eastern religion.
 
boyfalldown said:
One of the joys of living in the developed world is we have religious freedom. That cuts every way
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If Islam grows and grows (the most common name iirc for new born boys is Mohammed in the uk) which it looks to be, then there will be no religious freedom other than to adopt Islam and all it's oppressive and customs.

I don't think you'd enjoy that. Freedom isn't something they value in Islamic culture and slowly but surely it'll be coming here.
 
ST4 said:
Yes. If this stance is taken the harder line ones will leave and the more moderate ones integrate better. The extremists would be hunted down by security services.

It would deter more Muslims coming to the uk and children of Muslim parents to adopt more western customs rather than cling to a religion that has it's routes in the Middle East.

Want a middle eastern life style, live in the Middle East.
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I'm guessing you mean 'roots in the middle east'.

So where does your religion have its roots?

This really is the gift that keeps on giving.
 
ST4 said:
Yes. If this stance is taken the harder line ones will leave and the more moderate ones integrate better. The extremists would be hunted down by security services.

It would deter more Muslims coming to the uk and children of Muslim parents to adopt more western customs rather than cling to a religion that has it's routes in the Middle East.

Want a middle eastern life style, live in the Middle East.
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I really have no answer for that, it's quite possibly the most naive and ridiculous thing I've ever seen written down
 
ST4 said:
Yes. If this stance is taken the harder line ones will leave and the more moderate ones integrate better. The extremists would be hunted down by security services.

It would deter more Muslims coming to the uk and children of Muslim parents to adopt more western customs rather than cling to a religion that has it's routes in the Middle East.

Want a middle eastern life style, live in the Middle East.
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That's great, so we create another oppressive state. And when all the Muslims have been dealt with, who will be scrutinised for inappropriate thinking next?

:(
 
boyfalldown said:
It's all fair points. I just believe that science and religion can, and should peacefully co exists. Each informing the other. Science educating and discovering. Religion asking useful questions of that, (ie questioning just cause you can, should you). I think there's questions we will never answer, and religion can do great things in people's lives. Sadly it doesn't always.

I'm not sure why I believe, I honestly can't answer that. I know it's not a fear of death though. I do think we all have same higher purpose. A small part of something bigger. Sorry, I know that's a crappy cliche. I don't know how else to put it though.

I hadn't thought about my use of words when I used the phrase 'on high'. I was referring to religious leaders though, who often are sadly lacking
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Now THAT is a reasoned post from a person of faith.
 
viv1969 said:
The \Christianity you seem to hold so dear is a MIddle Eastern religion.
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Originally but it's been here 1500yrs in Western Europe, it's indigenous to Western Europe. Islam has been here 50yrs and it's attacking the fabric of our society already.

Like it or not, our customs and laws are base around Christianity. Islamic ones are really very different.
 
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ST4 said:
If Islam grows and grows (the most common name iirc for new born boys is Mohammed in the uk) which it looks to be, then there will be no religious freedom other than to adopt Islam and all it's oppressive and customs.

I don't think you'd enjoy that. Freedom isn't something they value in Islamic culture and slowly but surely it'll be coming here.
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You don't recall correctly.
 
ST4 said:
Originally but it's been here 1500yrs in Western Europe, it's indigenous to Western Europe. Islam has been here 50yrs and it's attacking the fabric of our society already.
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Bwahahaha you're funny. And wrong
 
ST4 said:
Originally but it's been here 1500yrs in Western Europe, it's indigenous to Western Europe. Islam has been here 50yrs and it's attacking the fabric of our society already.

Like it or not, our customs and laws are base around Christianity. Islamic ones are really very different.
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So now you're rewriting the meaning of 'indigenous'.

This is awesome. :)
 
ancient_mariner said:
That's great, so we create another oppressive state. And when all the Muslims have been dealt with, who will be scrutinised for inappropriate thinking next?

:(
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No, we act now to save our society. Apathy will lead to disaster. Look at Sweden and the increased crime rates. Why, due to Islam getting a foothold.

For evil to succeed it only requires good people to do nothing.

That's all I have to say.
 
ST4 said:
Originally but it's been here 1500yrs in Western Europe, it's indigenous to Western Europe. Islam has been here 50yrs and it's attacking the fabric of our society already.
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Christianity attacked the fabric of the society that preceded it.
It's clear you simply hold bigoted views of Islam as a whole and are incapable of reasoned discussion on the subject.
That's one of the saddest things of all.
 
viv1969 said:
Christianity attacked the fabric of the society that preceded it.
It's clear you simply hold bigoted views of Islam as a whole and are incapable of reasoned discussion on the subject.
That's one of the saddest things of all.
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So long ago it's irrelevant.

Islam as a whole has brought no good to Western Europe but plenty of problems.

For evil to succeed it requires good people to do nothing.
 
viv1969 said:
Christianity attacked the fabric of the society that preceded it.
It's clear you simply hold bigoted views of Islam as a whole and are incapable of reasoned discussion on the subject.
That's one of the saddest things of all.
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Yeah but that happened outside of our life time so apparently doesn't count.. :thinking:

Edit : oh my god that's the best cross post ever.
 
ST4 said:
So long ago it's irrelevant.

Islam as a whole has brought no good to Western Europe but plenty of problems.

For evil to succeed it requires good people to do nothing.
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And you think Britain First are an organisation of good people.

A one word answer will suffice.

In English or German. You choose.
 
ST4 said:
No, we act now to save our society. Apathy will lead to disaster. Look at Sweden and the increased crime rates. Why, due to Islam getting a foothold.

For evil to succeed it only requires good people to do nothing.

That's all I have to say.
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You're so busy spouting [PLEASE DON'T TRY TO BYPASS THE SWEAR FILTER] you never read anything anyone else writes.

No one is suggesting we 'do nothing'. No one ever suggested that Radical Islam was a good thing, no one here supports IS or thinks we should accept any form of religious extremism.

So why do you think you're the only one who feels this way?
 
viv1969 said:
Now I know you're yanking everyone's chain for the hell of it.
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Not at all. 1500yrs are gone since pagan religions were made way for Christianity and our society has thrived under that religion for so long it's not real. Unless you know of some pagan people forcably converted. I know you have a few years on me but not THAT many...surely.
 
Phil V said:
You're so busy spouting b****x you never read anything anyone else writes.

No one is suggesting we 'do nothing'. No one ever suggested that Radical Islam was a good thing, no one here supports IS or thinks we should accept any form of religious extremism.

So why do you think you're the only one who feels this way?
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To get rid of the poisoned fruit you might have to throw out the whole lot.
 
ST4 said:
To get rid of the poisoned fruit you might have to throw out the whole lot.
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No you don't, we have been quite capable of filtering the good from the bad for hundreds of years. Civilisation is a brilliant thing.
 
ST4 said:
To get rid of the poisoned fruit you might have to throw out the whole lot.
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Is that what happened to Adam and Eve? :)
 
ST4 said:
Not at all. 1500yrs are gone since pagan religions were made way for Christianity and our society has thrived under that religion for so long it's not real. Unless you know of some pagan people forcably converted. I know you have a few years on me but not THAT many...surely.
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No, no one was ever forced to convert to a new religion before. Nor did they meet bloody and unpleasant deaths for refusing
 
boyfalldown said:
No, no one was ever forced to convert to a new religion before. Nor did they meet bloody and unpleasant deaths for refusing
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Do you really want to see it happening here. We've evolved long past that stage. These hard line militants who seem to be growing in number aren't. It needs drastic action otherwise the ways of life you hold dear to you are at risk.
 
ST4 said:
So back to the events in France and the fears over the reaction to some stupid cartoons?
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And back to the fact that the people responsible for that are now mostly dead, the ones that aren't will face a lifetime in jail, I'd say that's dealit with.

Meanwhile hundreds of other deaths with no links to Islam that you don't care about...

If there's not someone to point you at the bogeyman, he clearly isn't of any concern.

Whereas if someone shouts bogeyman loud enough, you're happy to put innocent lives at risk if they look a bit like the bogeyman.

A very reasonable response.
 
ST4 said:
Not at all. 1500yrs are gone since pagan religions were made way for Christianity and our society has thrived under that religion for so long it's not real. Unless you know of some pagan people forcably converted. I know you have a few years on me but not THAT many...surely.
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Sorry, but yes many were forcibly converted, and put to death (or at least left to die) if they defied.
 
It might be a good idea to get back on track.

No point in people going 'missing' for a while if things get a bit heated.
 
Heated debate is good Ken, it isn`t getting red hot yet, but time will tell I suppose.
 
You get nuts that proclaim a christian faith

You get nuts that claim a muslim faith

You get nuts in all walks of life

And the terrorists have won, they have succeeded in what they set out to do.... to terrorize - The cartoon exhibition cancelled - some of the peoples reactions in this very thread

The exhibition should never have been cancelled

EDIT: even I got drawn into this thread and made a comment I now regret and for that I appologise
 
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I wonder if @ST4 has a problem with the Muslims from the Baltic States. The ones that look like him? Or is it just, for want of a better phrase, those of a darker hue?
 
fracster said:
You worked or lived in Saudi Steve?
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To know what goes on there you don't have to. I've had several friends who have lived there. For us there, it's rather different than it is for them here.

I'm surprised you asked. Your initial quote was "really". Are you now just trying to play moderator.
 
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norters said:
I wonder if @ST4 has a problem with the Muslims from the Baltic States. The ones that look like him? Or is it just, for want of a better phrase, those of a darker hue?
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Considering one of my best friends is from India I doubt it.

It has everything to do with religion, conduct and effect on us and nothing to do with appearance.
 
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