Canon FF mirrorless...

Ah well, have to say I love my little Canon M5 mirrorless and was looking forward to buying a full frame version. cropped 4k video I can live with, no IBIS I can live with, I can even live with just 1 card slot but 3fps when tracking a moving subject is basically just taking the mick.
 
jonneymendoza said:
correction
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So I'm assuming the difference between AF-C tracking priority and AF-C Speed priority is that the former improves accuracy whereas speed priority mean it's faster but may not be accurate? What's the point of shooting with an AF that's not going to be accurate?
 
snerkler said:
So I'm assuming the difference between AF-C tracking priority and AF-C Speed priority is that the former improves accuracy whereas speed priority mean it's faster but may not be accurate? What's the point of shooting with an AF that's not going to be accurate?
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Bizarre
 
snerkler said:
So I'm assuming the difference between AF-C tracking priority and AF-C Speed priority is that the former improves accuracy whereas speed priority mean it's faster but may not be accurate? What's the point of shooting with an AF that's not going to be accurate?
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Its a way to market the camera better, Sony and Nikon do it also.... dish out high end specification which seem good at first glance, they you dig further and it only is supported in certain modes / conditions etc.
 
snerkler said:
So I'm assuming the difference between AF-C tracking priority and AF-C Speed priority is that the former improves accuracy whereas speed priority mean it's faster but may not be accurate? What's the point of shooting with an AF that's not going to be accurate?
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Maybe DoF will cover any sloppy focus. It often does with DSLR's.
 
michael23 said:
£2349 UK price for the body, that's way to high!
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The Sony A7 III is priced at £1999 so maybe the Canon is a little bit high.... when you start comparing the specifications, the Canon only has certain advantages over the A7 III but I am not sure the price matches the performance offered.
As mentioned earlier, perhaps Canon have priced it as low as possible, maybe even making little profit on each unit. They then have to make the money on the lenses to recover / level the balance sheets.
 
Yup Sony are the same with 10fps only at 12 bit
Riz_Guru said:
Its a way to market the camera better, Sony and Nikon do it also.... dish out high end specification which seem good at first glance, they you dig further and it only is supported in certain modes / conditions etc.
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GordonM said:
By that logic all you’d get is cheap rather than quality....
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What 'logic'? It's a need, I have no money, they can carry on without me ... I wanted quality AND cheap :D You do realise that prices such as $1400 - $1600 were being suggested right? Then they come up with a price higher than the best competition
 
Cagey75 said:
What 'logic'? It's a need, I have no money, they can carry on without me ... I wanted quality AND cheap :D You do realise that prices such as $1400 - $1600 were being suggested right? Then they come up with a price higher than the best competition
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According to the op Canon should have concentrated solely on price? So then they’d get slated for spec, produce decent spec and get slated. Being a camera manufacturer is like being a duck on a shooting gallery....
 
Cagey75 said:
What 'logic'? It's a need, I have no money, they can carry on without me ... I wanted quality AND cheap :D You do realise that prices such as $1400 - $1600 were being suggested right? Then they come up with a price higher than the best competition
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Correct.... Nikon have done the same... they have priced it higher than the Sony A7 III, hopefully the brand, marketing and customer loyalty will shift the unit numbers they need/want. :)
 
Riz_Guru said:
Ouch lol :D
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I wasn't being bitchy, DoF may well cover a few focus errors well enough for all but extreme pixel peeping. Despite what some claim DSLR focus is inherently iffy if you go looking for problems.

I remember reading on the Canon site that if you take three pictures you can expect to see focus differences between them and that this is perfectly normal, I don't know if it's still there though. It's one in the eye for those who claim to be able to nail focus every single time with their DSLR. Well, no, you can't because the gear just isn't up to it. You can however maybe cover iffy focus with depth of field.

I don't know what will cause a mirrorless cameras focus to be iffy but whatever it is DoF may be a partial answer.
 
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GordonM said:
According to the op Canon should have concentrated solely on price? So then they’d get slated for spec, produce decent spec and get slated. Being a camera manufacturer is like being a duck on a shooting gallery....
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To the OP? What are you on about? I'm referring to the latest announcement. I only care about my needs, I didn't even mention the specs, but since you did - It's way over priced for cropped 4K and no IBIS and the lenses are stupidly priced I don't care how nice they are. None of these companies are winning over the budget shooter, and they possibly make up for a lot more of their sales. Why do you think Canon have so many entry level to mid range cameras?
 
jonneymendoza said:
its been posted here
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I'm selling all my current canon gear in anticipation of that.
If you don't have the latest gear the you just have rubbish IMO.

What's really irritating is I just quoted the wrong post and now my comment makes no sense.
 
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None of these companies are winning over the budget shooter, and they possibly make up for a lot more of their sales. Why do you think Canon have so many entry level to mid range cameras
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Isn't that why they make budget camera's (APS-C, M4/3) to cater for the budget photographers.
 
Nostromo said:
Isn't that why they make budget camera's (APS-C, M4/3) to cater for the budget photographers.
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ONE company needs to have the balls to make a FF ML camera for the budget shooter, I'm disappointed is all, it seemed like Canon might just do it. But even those with plenty of money are saying this is over priced. They do not back it up with the goods, not this time. Now the Nikon is looking more attractive.
 
Cagey75 said:
ONE company needs to have the balls to make a FF ML camera for the budget shooter, I'm disappointed is all, it seemed like Canon might just do it. But even those with plenty of money are saying this is over priced. They do not back it up with the goods, not this time. Now the Nikon is looking more attractive.
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Sony is even more attractive ;) :D lol
 
jonneymendoza said:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSV0Vzh2Rvk
watching this as well and for vlog shooters wishing to use the extra rin adjustment on the leneses, it makes a audible clicking noise and u have to send your rf lens to canon for them to remove it for a fee. why diddnt they offer a switch on the lens to remove the clicking noise?
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Because then they wouldn't make additional revenue from the removal of the click-system? :D
 
Cagey75 said:
It's certainly starting to look that way. Now if Sony dropped the price on that by another chunk suddenly, it would put the wind up the others.
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I think the Sony A7 III is already priced well at £1999, you can get it cheaper if you shop around.
These are flying off the shelves.... hot hot hot.
 
Riz_Guru said:
Sell all your Canon gear and go all Sony ;)
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Tempting, really tempting, seeing the Sony has become the cheapest option !

Still 50/1.2.....the bokeh whore in me wants it.

The wise thing is sell both 5D4, the money will fund an A73 and the Canon RF + adaptor.....

That way I still have dual bodies for weddings, dual cards. And have a full Canon kit....too indulgent? :D
 
Possibly some more clever marketing blurb to make the body look competitive on paper.

Found this on the Canon Rumour site, posted by Sergio DuBois.

"Dual Pixel AF. Great perhaps, but nothing new, as per Canon usual. The new thing is marketing's brilliance of describing it as a 5,644 pt AF system. You do realize that DPAF means EVERY PIXEL can compute focus. All they seem to have done is arbitrarily overlaid a 5644 point grid over the sensor, which just makes flexible spot algorithms have some specific grid of pixels to choose from. Otherwise imagine moving one pixel at a time how long it would take to cross the field of view to set a focus point if every pixel were selectable"

:D
 
I think for 1 thing that I know, it doesn't seem the prices for my Canon gear will drop any time soon seeing the price of this.
 
jonneymendoza said:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSV0Vzh2Rvk
watching this as well and for vlog shooters wishing to use the extra rin adjustment on the leneses, it makes a audible clicking noise and u have to send your rf lens to canon for them to remove it for a fee. why diddnt they offer a switch on the lens to remove the clicking noise?
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Aaaand it gets more pathetic ... seriously, a fee? to remove something no videographer wants? [clicks on a ring]
 
The MF bar looks interesting but i diddnt see a mention about having the ability to move AF points.

Currently to do that when your looking through the viewfinder you have to click the Q button and then use the 4 direction dpad thingy. its a two ste process...
 
Cagey75 said:
Aaaand it gets more pathetic ... seriously, a fee? to remove something no videographer wants? [clicks on a ring]
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Yes its when they charge to add C-LOG to the 5d4.

anways the 4k is cropped like the 5d4 :(

But at least it has eye AF!!!!
 
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