Canon FF mirrorless...

No IBIS and charging $2.3K, sounds overpriced.
First gen e-mount bodies with no IBIS were cheaper on release
 
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Riz_Guru said:
LOL hopefully the Canon EOS R wow's everybody :)
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Nah, we have a month or so of every spec being analysed and then slagged off. Not until the camera comes out and people have real hand experience taking photos (not vloggers) will we see anything good written. Its the way of the world.
People like to think of Canon as a company that have no idea what the customer wants, but they have been in the business longer than most of us have been shooting.
 
twist said:
I think both companies have done well for 1st gen, depends on how soon they release their next gen. If they follow traditional timing it'll be 3-4 years.... that's a lot of time for Sony to develop, especially with their budget and class leading sensor design.

It's great that more manufacturers are making FF milc.
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I don't profess to know how these things work but my brain says that if the tech is out there leading companies should be able to copy it/create their own versions. Obviously we'll have to wait and see what AF performance is like but I don't understand why frame rate and buffer is so low, both Canon and Nikon are capable of making cameras with faster fps and buffers so I'm not sure why this hasn't transferred across to these new bodies. Obviously there's a reason, and it's clearly not as easy as I'm making out, but 5 and 5.5fps is a little disappointing. 8fps without AEL and with AF-C, and min 25 shot buffer and I'd consider it. I'm over the 1 card slot now having realised how I use my backup ;)

Lack of IBIS isn't great on the Canon, I'm assuming the new lenses have IS?
 
The Canon R is a better effort compared to Nikon but they haven't made me consider switching. :)
 
4K crop only
5.5 FPS AFC
Eye AF only in AFS
1 UHS II Slot
No IBIS
 
snerkler said:
I don't profess to know how these things work but my brain says that if the tech is out there leading companies should be able to copy it/create their own versions. Obviously we'll have to wait and see what AF performance is like but I don't understand why frame rate and buffer is so low, both Canon and Nikon are capable of making cameras with faster fps and buffers so I'm not sure why this hasn't transferred across to these new bodies. Obviously there's a reason, and it's clearly not as easy as I'm making out, but 5 and 5.5fps is a little disappointing. 8fps without AEL and with AF-C, and min 25 shot buffer and I'd consider it. I'm over the 1 card slot now having realised how I use my backup ;)

Lack of IBIS isn't great on the Canon, I'm assuming the new lenses have IS?
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Sony have been working for years on MILC, you cant just copy someones technology, its not available on Amazon. Canikon need to figure these things out, plus, Canikon are less likely to cannibalise like Sony did (you could say they have less reason to and use their brands where Sony has to push and be better), they will release their pro range in time that will have the faster fps, bigger buffer etc.
 
It's an intriguing camera. I'd be interested to see how the AF performance is for sports photography with the EF adapter. I think it's a bit of an odd looking body but it does look like it was designed with human hands in mind, unlike the Sony A7 series. The little touchpad on the back seems useful.
 
twist said:
UHSII so not that bad.
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It's not at all and prefer it to XQD since it's more widely available.
Sony brought it out for their video cameras but not sure why Nikon is using them in thier normal cameras seems a bit short sighted. It's not the first time Sony has introduced a new type of card and then it gets abandoned. SD cards are more standard even Sony don't use XQD in thier own cameras.
 
twist said:
Sony have been working for years on MILC, you cant just copy someones technology, its not available on Amazon. Canikon need to figure these things out, plus, Canikon are less likely to cannibalise like Sony did (you could say they have less reason to and use their brands where Sony has to push and be better), they will release their pro range in time that will have the faster fps, bigger buffer etc.
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So bodies costing 2.3k and 3.4K are just beginners body? :D
 
Riz_Guru said:
The Canon R is a better effort compared to Nikon but they haven't made me consider switching. :)
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What makes you say that?
twist said:
Sony have been working for years on MILC, you cant just copy someones technology, its not available on Amazon. Canikon need to figure these things out, plus, Canikon are less likely to cannibalise like Sony did (you could say they have less reason to and use their brands where Sony has to push and be better), they will release their pro range in time that will have the faster fps, bigger buffer etc.
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It’s not for sale on amazon? b****r ;) I just assumed people could dissect others tech to a large extent and then they’ll have the boffins to fill in the gaps.
 
twist said:
UHSII so not that bad.
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To me that’s a better option than xqd until xqd/CFexpress become more mainstream and hopefully cheaper.
 
twist said:
Not sure about that.
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You could be right but I was considering it as a package, the lenses look good and the 5000 AF points, Dual-Pixel AF, -6EV sound interesting.
It's not for me though, the Sony A9 is king and the Sony A7 III is the prince :D lol
 
Im happy with the spec. Its really nice to see a fast SD card slot, i don't think any of the other Canons have this, not even my 5D4 (even though they do work, at a reduced rate).

So yeah, ill be selling the 5D4 and getting one of these later in the year (grey of course ;-). If nothing else its a move sideways, but with the cool features i like in my M50.

Obviously thats all subject to seeing some real world reviews, but on paper its ideal for me.
 
snerkler said:
What makes you say that?
It’s not for sale on amazon? b****r ;) I just assumed people could dissect others tech to a large extent and then they’ll have the boffins to fill in the gaps.
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It's not as easy as that. Look at how long it took the US military, with a massive budget, tons of top engineers and boffins, and serious determination, to make as good space rockets as that nasty ex-Nazi Wernher von Braun. And it wasn't that they just weren't building quite as good rockets as he could, they went through a series of very embarrassing disasters, and had to keep calling him and his team back to rescue them.

Or look at the repeated attempts of Microsoft to produce a good mobile phone. That's as hilarious as a good binge watch of Laurel & Hardy movies!
 
UK pre-order prices are out folks.

Canon EOS R Digital Camera with 24-105mm f4 IS Kit = £3,269
Canon EOS R Digital Camera with EF Adapter = £2,349
Canon RF 24-105mm f/4 L IS USM = £1,119
Canon RF 28-70mm f/2 L USM = £3,049
Canon RF 35mm f/1.8 IS STM Macro Lens = £519.
Canon RF 50mm f/1.2 L USM = £2,349
 
 
Riz_Guru said:
UK pre-order prices are out folks.

Canon EOS R Digital Camera with 24-105mm f4 IS Kit = £3,269
Canon EOS R Digital Camera with EF Adapter = £2,349
Canon RF 24-105mm f/4 L IS USM = £1,119
Canon RF 28-70mm f/2 L USM = £3,049
Canon RF 35mm f/1.8 IS STM Macro Lens = £519.
Canon RF 50mm f/1.2 L USM = £2,349
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WTF @ lens prices :o :o :o
 
 
 
Riz_Guru said:
Bargain, which part? Compared to the Sony A7 III it doesn't seem like one ;)
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Sorry, forgot the /sarcasm part ;)

I agree that, for someone who doesn't have a Canon EF setup already, the Sony A7iii is still ahead of the spec and price curve. However, I guess those shooting Canon now will see it as a good option to stick with the Canon. I'm looking forward to trying all 3 options now though against each other before I upgrade my A7 early next year.
 
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snerkler said:
I don't profess to know how these things work but my brain says that if the tech is out there leading companies should be able to copy it/create their own versions. Obviously we'll have to wait and see what AF performance is like but I don't understand why frame rate and buffer is so low, both Canon and Nikon are capable of making cameras with faster fps and buffers so I'm not sure why this hasn't transferred across to these new bodies. Obviously there's a reason, and it's clearly not as easy as I'm making out, but 5 and 5.5fps is a little disappointing. 8fps without AEL and with AF-C, and min 25 shot buffer and I'd consider it. I'm over the 1 card slot now having realised how I use my backup ;)

Lack of IBIS isn't great on the Canon, I'm assuming the new lenses have IS?
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Yes the tech is out there but sometimes it's IP and if not it often can't be implemented with current production lines. Canon may have the know how and if not they can buy it in but they may have to invest heavily to buy in and install the required tooling or swallow their pride and buy in / subcontract to a 3rd party with the ability. It can take months to implement new tech and maybe even years and maybe Canon and Nikons resistance to mirrorless lead them not to invest in the required tech early enough, maybe they're still not willing today.
 
It will be interesting to see how the Canon RF 28-70mm f/2 L USM performs against the Sony 24-70mm f2.8 G Master give the large price difference.... some will argue the Canon is f2.0 vs f2.8. :)
 
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