EF L grade lenses typically have proper USM motor and will be very fast if not equivalent to RF L series in AF speed. Anything with STM is a big step down. Not too sure where exactly VCM slot in; maybe someone can chip in on that.
Some older EF lenses have quirks in aperture control protocols, meaning they will be closing and opening iris between shots and this can reduce speed. A decent lens in speed sensitive situation would likely be used fully wide open thus completely negating this phenomenon. Further fps limitation with older glass can be bypassed by using electronic shutter.

70-200mm f/4 IS (mk1) is a decent optic particularly if you find a perfect low use copy. Personally I found it preferable to mk2 or f/2.8 versions. RF f4 definitely improves on the design with improved sharpness to excellent levels particularly at longer end, and much better flare control (no comparison on that point). It requires less space in camera bag, which is another plus here because you can just take it as backup lens with limited remaining bag space.
 
Yes, I know the quality of the EF F4L as I've had one for 20 years and on remote duty it still takes pin sharp shots manually focused (as the motor has gone). However doing a little more research today digging through Canon manuals - Canon do give a list of EF lenses that can shoot at the maximum burst (and therefore I assume "keep up" auto focus wise) with the new mirrorless bodies. The Mk1 is not one that shoot at 12 FPS mechanical on an R5 or R6 mkii

So I am not debating it a little - but the step up is big. Its £250 vs £750 or £1000+ for the RF. Normally if i were buying for main body then I would naturally go for the RF, but given this will be remote, placed in a compromising position where it may get hit by stones or even a car.... I don't want to risk a body and an expensive lens on that.... So still in 2 minds
 
Again the limitation is likely with aperture control, not af motor
You can shoot perfectly decent video or that crazy fps in electronic mode with full af. The aperture is obviously locked here.
 
You might well be right. What I read on the canon site was that it was around the USM motor voltage. It may be a combination of both - if it were the latter, I'd suggest that the issue would be prevalent on either electronic or mechanical, but I am not that technically minded to assume any further or back that up.
 
@A_S I have the EF100-400 and an R5.

I find the autofocus acceptable but I’m not a prolific wildlife or sports shooter so my needs are probably different.

I’ve not had any issues with it and if you’re coupling with an R5/R6 I’d say you would be fine unless the scenario is super fast moving?

You could buy from MPB and they have a free return period to allow you to test it?
 
@A_S I have the EF100-400 and an R5.

I find the autofocus acceptable but I’m not a prolific wildlife or sports shooter so my needs are probably different.

I’ve not had any issues with it and if you’re coupling with an R5/R6 I’d say you would be fine unless the scenario is super fast moving?

You could buy from MPB and they have a free return period to allow you to test it?

i think the 100-400 (mk2 at least) is a lot newer than the 70-200 I am looking at and would be fine on mirrorless
 
Only had my r5ii a few weeks but a nice little improvement for me atleast, the EF 85 1.2ii “rewinds” the barrel on its own now, you don’t have to go in to MF to twist the end back in for safe storage, that’s clever.

Wasn’t so pleased to realise the battery stays in use the entire time and you have to go in to airplane mode to be able to use your camera again
 
I attended a wedding today, 1pm official service followed by a meal which ended after the sun went down. One of the photographers was using a Canon RF 50mm F1.2L which she said was excellent. A bit of a beast and having checked the price, a very expensive beast. When the sun went down both photographers were using flash. All academic for me but it was interesting to see how they operated.

 
I attended a wedding today, 1pm official service followed by a meal which ended after the sun went down. One of the photographers was using a Canon RF 50mm F1.2L which she said was excellent. A bit of a beast and having checked the price, a very expensive beast. When the sun went down both photographers were using flash. All academic for me but it was interesting to see how they operated.

I moved to mirrorless from twin Canon 5DIVs earlier this year and couldn't be happier. The 50/1.2 is astonishing, but my preference for most of the day is the 28-70 f/2 zoom on one R6II body (which is basically like having a series of primes lenses from 28 to 70mm) and the utterly fantastic 85/1.2 DS on the other - the DS produces the most gorgeous transitions from focus to out of focus and works a treat for bride / couple shots. The 28-70 covers just about everything else. I briefly use the 15-35 for large groups shots and the 135/1.8 for speeches, but I could cheerfully shoot the whole day on the 28-70/2. I use the 50mm f/1.2 when I want to take one camera and lens on an outing.

Here is an image (wide open) on the 85mm f/1.2 DS:

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For comparison, here is the same scene on the 50mm f/1.2:

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They are both fab, but the 85/1.2 is incredible - especially when viewed at full resolution on my R6MKII

You can view higher resolution versions here: https://www.philhackettphotography.com/temporysharing
 
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I moved to mirrorless from twin Canon 5DIVs earlier this year and couldn't be happier. The 50/1.2 is astonishing, but my preference for most of the day is the 28-70 f/2 zoom on one R6II body (which is basically like having a series of primes lenses from 28 to 70mm) and the utterly fantastic 85/1.2 DS on the other - the DS produces the most gorgeous transitions from focus to out of focus and works a treat for bride / couple shots. The 28-70 covers just about everything else. I briefly use the 15-35 for large groups shots and the 135/1.8 for speeches, but I could cheerfully shoot the whole day on the 28-70/2. I use the 50mm f/1.2 when I want to take one camera and lens on an outing.

Here is an image (wide open) on the 85mm f/1.2 DS:

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For comparison, here is the same scene on the 50mm f/1.2:

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They are both fab, but the 85/1.2 is incredible - especially when viewed at full resolution on my R6MKII

You can view higher resolution versions here: https://www.philhackettphotography.com/temporysharing

Thanks Phil, they are both great. With results like these you must have many satisfied clients.
 
I moved to mirrorless from twin Canon 5DIVs earlier this year and couldn't be happier. The 50/1.2 is astonishing, but my preference for most of the day is the 28-70 f/2 zoom on one R6II body (which is basically like having a series of primes lenses from 28 to 70mm) and the utterly fantastic 85/1.2 DS on the other - the DS produces the most gorgeous transitions from focus to out of focus and works a treat for bride / couple shots. The 28-70 covers just about everything else. I briefly use the 15-35 for large groups shots and the 135/1.8 for speeches, but I could cheerfully shoot the whole day on the 28-70/2. I use the 50mm f/1.2 when I want to take one camera and lens on an outing.

Here is an image (wide open) on the 85mm f/1.2 DS:

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For comparison, here is the same scene on the 50mm f/1.2:

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They are both fab, but the 85/1.2 is incredible - especially when viewed at full resolution on my R6MKII

You can view higher resolution versions here: https://www.philhackettphotography.com/temporysharing

I'm currently either looking at the RF 85 F1.2 and weighing up the size, price, focus speed and quality against the new F1.4 VCM.

Anyone got any expereince of the 1.2? Is it as prohibative to use as people say because of the focus speed and size? I'd be mainly using it for racing for off track and colour shots, so do want something thats got snappy focus for capturing those feeting moments and I am worried that the F1.2 may be a bit sluggish?

Really I don't know though as some of these reviews seem to focus on perfection rather than real world use. Keen to hear some opinions.
 
I'm currently either looking at the RF 85 F1.2 and weighing up the size, price, focus speed and quality against the new F1.4 VCM.

Anyone got any expereince of the 1.2? Is it as prohibative to use as people say because of the focus speed and size? I'd be mainly using it for racing for off track and colour shots, so do want something thats got snappy focus for capturing those feeting moments and I am worried that the F1.2 may be a bit sluggish?

Really I don't know though as some of these reviews seem to focus on perfection rather than real world use. Keen to hear some opinions.

I imagine the focus speed on the 85/1.2 and 85/1.2 DS would be similar although the DS version lets in a little less light than the straight 1.2 because it basically has an internal peripheral ND filter which gives the smoothing effect. After f/2 this makes no difference to exposures, but could affect focussing I guess. Despite this, I find focus to be very rapid on the 85/1.2 DS although I'm not attempting to use it for sports.
 
Has anyone seen any rumours of Canon opening up their RF full frame mount to 3rd party manufacturers?
 
Has anyone seen any rumours of Canon opening up their RF full frame mount to 3rd party manufacturers?
No, but I have seen plenty of rumors that it is NOT happening any time soon.

There is also a rumor that I may be buying a Sony and a few 3rd party lenses
 
I thought you were moving to Nikon.
Moving to z mount is less straightforward thand dropping mc11 on a sony. Nikon is also very behind with lenses and recent lawsuit against viltrox indicates that they are not much better than canon.
 
I'm currently either looking at the RF 85 F1.2 and weighing up the size, price, focus speed and quality against the new F1.4 VCM.

Anyone got any expereince of the 1.2? Is it as prohibative to use as people say because of the focus speed and size? I'd be mainly using it for racing for off track and colour shots, so do want something thats got snappy focus for capturing those feeting moments and I am worried that the F1.2 may be a bit sluggish?

Really I don't know though as some of these reviews seem to focus on perfection rather than real world use. Keen to hear some opinions.
I find the RF 85 1.2 on R1 very quick to focus in challenging conditions. I don’t know about the new 1.4 but sounds like it could be faster. I was going to sell the EF 85 1.4 but still have that and sometimes reach for it if I don’t need the 1.2 as it is lighter and also very quick.
 
Moving to z mount is less straightforward thand dropping mc11 on a sony. Nikon is also very behind with lenses and recent lawsuit against viltrox indicates that they are not much better than canon.
I was not aware of that lawsuit. I assume Sony could adopt a similar stance unless the Chinese lens manufacturers have the appropriate licences.

I can understand why Canon are protecting their lens mount but they are in danger of pricing most of their products out of the reach of all but pros and wealthy enthusiasts. I am fine with buying used non current mirrorless cameras but I cannot really justify the cost of most RF lenses for my purposes. Perhaps I am just mean and out of touch.
 
I find the RF 85 1.2 on R1 very quick to focus in challenging conditions. I don’t know about the new 1.4 but sounds like it could be faster. I was going to sell the EF 85 1.4 but still have that and sometimes reach for it if I don’t need the 1.2 as it is lighter and also very quick.

I've gone for the 1.4 tonight. I think the weight, size and cost saving made it a no brainer really, but it was tough. I was really hankering over the 1.2 but I let the head rule the heart!!!
 
I was not aware of that lawsuit. I assume Sony could adopt a similar stance unless the Chinese lens manufacturers have the appropriate licences.

I can understand why Canon are protecting their lens mount but they are in danger of pricing most of their products out of the reach of all but pros and wealthy enthusiasts. I am fine with buying used non current mirrorless cameras but I cannot really justify the cost of most RF lenses for my purposes. Perhaps I am just mean and out of touch.
I am not a legal expert; my understanding is that E mount was initially released with a generous degree of openness to allow rapid expansion of lenses available and start competing with the big players at that time. The two notable limitations as we now found out are restrictions on TCs (no big deal) and 15fps limit (a little more annoying but again no big deal personally). I am not sure if it goes any deeper and if Sony has any recourse other than silently changing the spec at some point. L-mount is a similar situation, only perhaps even more open (no fps / tc limit).

So naturally, we see - and therefore EXPECT - new amazing and relatively affordable optics such as Sigma 50mm 1.2 and 1.4 DN ART, Viltrox 35mm f/1.2, or Tamron 35-150 just to name a few. and in this case Canon still has NO answer for the latter 2 examples. There are obviously MORE. 50mm decision is mostly financial at this point - all options can be considered "excellent" optically other than retail cost. So you are absolutely not out of touch but rather well-informed.

This leads us to the reality check if Canon RF line-up is competitive on functionality against E mount options. It is a reasonably mature system at this point and CAN GET THE JOB DONE, even if falling behind Sony in terms of updates in certain focal ranges - wider angle is a particularly notable here. With the exception of 24-105 f/2.8 (usable 30-90 range maybe) all wider lenses are old releases from the early days of the system. Most other manufacturers have released improved gen II range. Canon 50mm and longer options seems to be quite competitive. On the other hand, Sony 16-35mm f/2.8 GMII in particular is a major reason for entering E mount system in my case. I have exhausted all EF mount options and settled with the least compromised 16-35mm f/2.8 III, and I am not yet convinced that RF 15-35mm adds anything positive other than slightly wider FOV (not a major pain point for me). RF 14-35 is not an option due to image stretching and comparatively high cost of entry. 35mm vcm and all wider RF primes so far all employ notable image stretching - again totally unacceptable in my view. Despite so many rumors, there are zero new TSE lenses and old ones are worse than performing keystone correction in Lightroom. So Canon is good for professional telephoto shooters, web resolutions, press or else if periphery is completely of no consequence (video work, shallow DOF portraits and journalism). This is survivable but limiting.

As discussed above, one is most likely taking a financial hit when buying into Canon RF line-up compared E mount options. Whether this is important and significant depend on business revenue. £100k pa (profit) business should easily afford a couple of midrange RF L zooms or primes. Not everyone is hitting that (myself included at this point) and there are hobbyists who are earning zero from photography by choice, and this is totally OK.

The most interesting aspect of this discussion is what it is doing to Canon. It is very hard to really know so I will just spill some thoughts. 1. Both Canon and Sony appear very profitable. Both models seem to work. Nikon has lost a lot of market share, but other reasons may be also at play. 2. There is significant brand loyalty, meaning many users will only purchase OEM accessories. 3. There is a massive uptick in Chinese lens options and quality, but they are also increasing in price. DJI and Godox today are not budget brands any more and Viltrox is shifting that way. This is already acting as a pressure on Sony, and indirectly Canon (brand switching). 4. Canon controls 100% of RF mount lens market, but users may be less motivated to upgrade from EF mount options and / or invest in a new lens. Brand switching or running 2 systems (my intention) becomes very tempting.
So this is a balancing act between monopolised lens market and suppressed sales or brand switching.
 
Any Wedding Photographers here shooting with the R5 Mark II?

One of my original R5 bodies started playing up last year, so I replaced it with the Mark II. While the MKII AF is definitely faster, it feels like I'm struggling to get the same AF consistency I had with the original R5 (meaning the MKII is not always picking the correct subject / the actual focus is bang on).

In busy scenes like confetti, shooting from the back of the church, or moments where the couple are not filling the frame — the camera likes to grab the back of someone’s head on either side, even when I’m clearly pointing the AF area at the couple. In these situations, I often end up turning off Eye/People detection and reverting to more traditional AF just to keep control.

If anyone has dialled in settings that reliably tame this behaviour, I’d love to hear what’s working for you. :)

(Oh, and from above - The 85 F1.2 is amazing, the images it produces at F1.2 are incredible. If you're considering either the 1.4 or 1.2 I'd borrow both off Canon and decide which one works best for you).

Cheers!
 
Just encountered the first problem with R1 - when viewing images on the screen, for some images, I get "image too large to display" error message. I searched the manual and didn't find the error. The pics were all there on the card, so it was just a delay in previewing and rating until I connected the card to the computer.
 
Apparently the R5, the mk 1 is now officially discontinued, apologies if its already been posted on here , read yesterday on another forum
A shame really but its been out for 5 and half years apparently
 
Apparently the R5, the mk 1 is now officially discontinued, apologies if its already been posted on here , read yesterday on another forum
A shame really but its been out for 5 and half years apparently
It will still work, so no panic!

Canon is now selling mk2 which is not a bad thing
 
REally happy with my RF 85 F1.4 - so much so that I now want a longer telephoto with a wide aperture. I can't really justify buying the RF 135 though

Does anyone have any experience with the EF on mirrorless? Is it worth it, or is the sigma a better choice?
 
Does anyone have any experience with the EF on mirrorless? Is it worth it, or is the sigma a better choice?
Both are ok, sigma is better. 135 art was arguably best ef mount lens under 300mm
 
REally happy with my RF 85 F1.4 - so much so that I now want a longer telephoto with a wide aperture. I can't really justify buying the RF 135 though

Does anyone have any experience with the EF on mirrorless? Is it worth it, or is the sigma a better choice?
I have the ef 135.
It’s an absolute bargain at today’s prices, and just about big and heavy enough for the adapter not to make a big difference. Still my favourite lens
 
I have the ef 135.
It’s an absolute bargain at today’s prices, and just about big and heavy enough for the adapter not to make a big difference. Still my favourite lens

The 135mm f/2 EF is a great lens - the RF 135 f/1.8 is sublime!
 
Just picked up an R5 MKII to go with my R3 and am surprised how much different custom function settings are from the R3. Something simple like turning eye tracking on and off via a custom button seems to be a PITA compared to the R3. On a plus side am loving the images from it so far.
 
Just picked up an R5 MKII to go with my R3 and am surprised how much different custom function settings are from the R3. Something simple like turning eye tracking on and off via a custom button seems to be a PITA compared to the R3. On a plus side am loving the images from it so far.

Just starting to get to grips with my R5 II - great images - eye tracking sucks for me though - really sketchy and unreliable!
 
Hi everyone,
A newbie here, although I was on here a couple of years ago.
I’m about to press the button on a Canon RF 6 Mk2 as I’ve been saving for ages, and I rather fancy a Canon RF 100-500 in a few months
Ideally I want to use this combo for aircraft in flight so I’d like to know your opinion of this combo, and I would also like to get a smaller lens around 50mm.

Is the body and lens a good combo, and is a shorter lens good for portraits.
Thanks
Dave
 
yep, it's great. 100 is good for portraits if you have enough space. the 50 f1.8 is very budget friendly and would give you more options,.
 
I can't recommend the R6ii highly enough.

100-500 is great, flexible and super image quality. Personally, for what I do, at the long end, with a CPL on the 7.1 is too dark, so I've moved on from it - but I am loathed to sell it - maybe I should? - however for aircraft against the sky it will be perfect - just not in cold, wet dark forests in november - which is what I do!
 
Cpl off is the only logical solution. It is probably killing resolution in multiple ways, and you can mostly arrive to similar results by darkening blue and cyan a little bit
I can't recommend the R6ii highly enough.

100-500 is great, flexible and super image quality. Personally, for what I do, at the long end, with a CPL on the 7.1 is too dark, so I've moved on from it - but I am loathed to sell it - maybe I should? - however for aircraft against the sky it will be perfect - just not in cold, wet dark forests in november - which is what I do!
 
Cpl off is the only logical solution. It is probably killing resolution in multiple ways, and you can mostly arrive to similar results by darkening blue and cyan a little bit

CPL is for reflections on car bodywork and specifically windscreens, so needed unfortunately, Resolution is not something I am concerned about.
 
on what body. On my R5 and R6 I'd not go about 12500 personally.
 
Hello

I’m on the hunt for a new camera, went to LCE today and was surprised to find that my favourite handling camera was the R8. However, I’m aware that a used R6 would be a similar price - what’s the better camera ? I take landscape and travel photos, rarely anything that moves !

Weight is important to me - main lens would be the 15-30…..

Thanks
 
Hello

I’m on the hunt for a new camera, went to LCE today and was surprised to find that my favourite handling camera was the R8. However, I’m aware that a used R6 would be a similar price - what’s the better camera ? I take landscape and travel photos, rarely anything that moves !

Weight is important to me - main lens would be the 15-30…..

Thanks
The overall food chain is R6 III > R6II > R6 > R8 in generic context. You can throw in the original R5 at the front if buying used.
The only case where R8 jumps a position ahead of the original R6 is shooting on tripod (24mp vs 20) or doing video work on a well-stabilised rig. It is the lack of IBIS that generally relegates it to the last place. If I remember correctly it also has a single sd card slot.

if every milligram counts pershaps look instead at 4/3, a compact or xiaomi 17 ultra
 
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