Canon 1DX release

To be clear to everyone, the focussing at F8 issue means the camera can focus with any lens and converter combination who's MAXIMUM aperture is F8.
For example my 100-400 L + 1.4 teleconverter works fantastically with my 1D2 even though it's an F5.6 lens (the tc makes that F8).
That combination doesn't work with any lower range of camera (admittedly you can tape the pins etc but there's hardly ever any point because the camera just can't handle it usually).

The 1DX seems like a double edged sword for nature photographers because the new sensor size/pixel density would make use of a 2x tc on the big primes a more regular occurance, which Canon have also taken away the functionality of.
You wouldn't even be able to use the 1.4tc with the big 800mm (yes people do use one with that lens!).

So i have a choice of a fantastic camera in the shape of the MK4 or a 1DX with a 2x tc to get the "reach" back i lost from the full frame and pixel density. The image quality will be degraded by the 2x a lot. Then also manual focussing as the cherry on top....

I was saving up for a new lens but i think i'm actually going to get a Mk4 when it looks like it's being officially discontinued, so that i can hopefully bypass a couple of generations if this is Canon's new direction.
 
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Edtog said:
I see it only as a good thing canon are giving us a camera which is capable of, finally, beating the D3.
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Big assumption - yet to be proven that it will actually be better than the D3s .... be interesting when real world full res images become available
 
IGADIZ said:
A picture paying for camera?... Try a mansion for a bit of shock...
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I'm on about a day-to-day / weekly basis, there simply isn't that kind of money anymore except for very rare exclusives. MOST people can't afford to gamble on that. Even the full time celeb paps.
 
adam* said:
I'm on about a day-to-day / weekly basis, there simply isn't that kind of money anymore except for very rare exclusives. MOST people can't afford to gamble on that. Even the full time celeb paps.
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I know of paps who sell pictures for £££££ (that's five figures) on a regular basis. So again a single image can pay for your camera or even a bike or a car or whatever takes your fancy. You just need to be in the right place at the right time.
 
IGADIZ said:
You just need to be in the right place at the right time.
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I was at a div 2 football match last week. (johnston paint trophy match actualy.. never much interest) . not a big earner... a player got injured and the match was abandoned

the action images photogrpaher was at the other side of the pitch and i was this side... he got a front-on pic of the player being injured and i got the back of it... his front faces picture went global.. every national in this country and loads of coverage around europe..

had the seating been reversed i would have made enough for a new camera just from that one picture thats still being used now...just by being sat in the right place.. instead i get the daily mirror website (still there)
 
KIPAX said:
I was at a div 2 football match last week. (johnston paint trophy match actualy.. never much interest) . not a big earner... a player got injured and the match was abandoned

the action images photogrpaher was at the other side of the pitch and i was this side... he got a front-on pic of the player being injured and i got the back of it... his front faces picture went global.. every national in this country and loads of coverage around europe..

had the seating been reversed i would have made enough for a new camera just from that one picture thats still being used now...just by being sat in the right place.. instead i get the daily mirror website (still there)
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:bang: Bummer better luck next time... Still, The mirror web image will pay for a few :beer:

The project I am involved with at the moment will pay for my Hassy H4D 60 :woot:. Admittedly, is more than one picture but, still, it is a multi £££££ deal I've got by being in the right place at the right time.
 
spxxxx said:
Big assumption - yet to be proven that it will actually be better than the D3s .... be interesting when real world full res images become available
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Finally should have been in italics ;) I've been looking at the D3 since it came out and wishing Canon did something similar. my 1dsmk3 is fine, but it has it's limitations, it's really easy to fill up the buffer, not great at 3200 and the fps leaves a lot to be desired and who really needs, out of all of the 1ds mk3 users, 21mpx?? Bet it's a tiny percentage....
 
Edtog said:
Finally should have been in italics ;) I've been looking at the D3 since it came out and wishing Canon did something similar. my 1dsmk3 is fine, but it has it's limitations, it's really easy to fill up the buffer, not great at 3200 and the fps leaves a lot to be desired and who really needs, out of all of the 1ds mk3 users, 21mpx?? Bet it's a tiny percentage....
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When you have to do 30 feet tall prints for big exhibitions halls, the megapixel count becomes very important indeed .
I certainly needed those 21Mpx and more (hence the h4D 60). Moreover, I don't know of any working photographer who has a 1DSMKIII and doesn't need the resolution available from the camera.

For those who need high resolution, the new 1Dx is a disappointment and most togs I know who have been waiting for the 1Ds replacement are now looking at MF offerings.
 
Oh bolleux just about to by 1d mk 4 literally tomorrow and I see this... whats a man to do, save the extra pennies or wait and see if the mk 4 price drops.. do you think it will cause a price drop for the mk 4 ????
either way cant risk buying a mk 4 in the near future.
 
docholiday said:
Oh bolleux just about to by 1d mk 4 literally tomorrow and I see this... whats a man to do, save the extra pennies or wait and see if the mk 4 price drops.. do you think it will cause a price drop for the mk 4 ????
either way cant risk buying a mk 4 in the near future.
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depends what you want, if the 1.3 crop is more handy then full frame theres no choice but the 1dmk4 i cant see dropping in price that much.
and the 1dmk4 is still a ***** hot camera.
 
IGADIZ said:
When you have to do 30 feet tall prints for big exhibitions halls, the megapixel count becomes very important indeed .
I certainly needed those 21Mpx and more (hence the h4D 60). Moreover, I don't know of any working photographer who has a 1DSMKIII and doesn't need the resolution available from the camera.

For those who need high resolution, the new 1Dx is a disappointment and most togs I know who have been waiting for the 1Ds replacement are now looking at MF offerings.
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I'm guessing that MF maybe part of the reason for the shift, a new more costly 1Ds would probabley have been getting closer to the price of the 645D.

A 5Dmk3 shifted up market a bit(say 30+ MP, 7D AF, better weather sealing) seems like it maxmises FF's advanatges over MF, much lower price and a much smaller body.
 
scottthehat said:
depends what you want, if the 1.3 crop is more handy then full frame theres no choice but the 1dmk4 i cant see dropping in price that much.
and the 1dmk4 is still a ***** hot camera.
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interested to see you think the mk 4 isnt going to drop in price
 
I doubt the Mk 4 will drop any time soon as the X is so faraway from shipping.
 
docholiday said:
interested to see you think the mk 4 isnt going to drop in price
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Well, this camera is going to replace both the 1Ds and 1D lines. So if crop and f/8 focus is important to you then buy now before the camera goes out of production.

My guess is that those who need the mentioned characteristics won't sell theirs. So, once they go out of production, the second hand market for these will become a rarefied and expensive field.

I don't know where you buying from, or if you buying new. But, if you are looking for a quality near mint condition second hand 1D MKIV, I have one for sale in the classifieds. Look it up.
 
Whats the chances of the X being ready in march.. the mkIV was hard to get hold of and i pre ordered..
 
whats the easiest way to calculate all my lenses currently on a mkIV to a full frame.. and will any suffer for being on a full frame?

400
70-200
135
85
35
28
 
Moreorless said:
A 5Dmk3 shifted up market a bit(say 30+ MP, 7D AF, better weather sealing) seems like it maxmises FF's advanatges over MF, much lower price and a much smaller body.
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IGADIZ said:
Well, this camera is going to replace both the 1Ds and 1D lines. So if crop and f/8 focus is important to you then buy now before the camera goes out of production.
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Is it just me that sees the 5D3 (or whatever it'll be called) going after f8 focus and high MPix for the birders?
 
KIPAX said:
whats the easiest way to calculate all my lenses currently on a mkIV to a full frame.. and will any suffer for being on a full frame?

400
70-200
135
85
35
28
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By "calculate all my lenses currently on a mkIV to a full frame" do you mean find focal lengths that would give you the same FoV on FF as those lenses on 1.3x?
 
KIPAX said:
whats the easiest way to calculate all my lenses currently on a mkIV to a full frame..
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Divide their focal length by 1.3 and you'll get that field of view on a full frame.

KIPAX said:
and will any suffer for being on a full frame?
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Suffer? In what way? The full frame camera will push the edge more as it will use more of the light cone. Whether it's noticeable or not is another matter...
 
squishy said:
By "calculate all my lenses currently on a mkIV to a full frame" do you mean find focal lengths that would give you the same FoV on FF as those lenses on 1.3x?
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Its OK thanks... I was having a blonde moment... suddenly got mixed up with a 1.4 extender and wondered where i was going wrong.. I did reverse it of course :) but was out by point 1
 
arad85 said:
Suffer? In what way? The full frame camera will push the edge more as it will use more of the light cone. Whether it's noticeable or not is another matter...
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thats the question.. specialy wiht the wider lenses.. i have never had a full frame..


my 35mm f2 is a truly fantastic lens.. but the 28mm i own distorts left and right... the 35mm will become 28 (26) on FF and wondered if it will now distort
 
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KIPAX said:
Its OK thanks... I was having a blonde moment.
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Don't you mean a "hair" moment :D

What is they say?

Bald men are sexy - just ask any bald man.
 
KIPAX said:
Whats the chances of the X being ready in march.. the mkIV was hard to get hold of and i pre ordered..
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I don't think us mere freelancers will be able to get one in our hands before September 2012... Unless, of course, you have been commissioned to cover the Olympics by a mayor agency or news paper and they provide you with one.
 
KIPAX said:
my 35mm f2 is a truly fantastic lens.. but the 28mm i own distorts left and right... the 35mm will become 28 (26) on FF and wondered if it will now distort
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You're looking at this the wrong way. The central 75% (if I've calculated it right - and I may not have) of your 35mm will be the same distortion as on the 1.3 body (that is, if you cut the centre out, it should be indistinguishable from the whole frame of the 1.3 camera.

What you will get is a wider angle (equivalent to ~28mm) for the whole full frame camera. TYPICALLY, distortion at the edges of a FF camera are chromatic aberration and blurring. A lens doesn't suddenly have lens distortions of a different lens but with the same field of view when you but a bigger sensor on it
 
arad85 said:
Is it just me that sees the 5D3 (or whatever it'll be called) going after f8 focus and high MPix for the birders?
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Every one I know has been well surprised by the announcement of this camera. We were all expecting a high MP unit to replace the aging 1Ds.
Who knows what hey are up to...
 
IGADIZ said:
I don't think us mere freelancers will be able to get one in our hands before September 2012... Unless, of course, you have been commissioned to cover the Olympics by a mayor agency or news paper and they provide you with one.
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I wont be touching the olympics with a barge pole.. But they must have more cameras than acredited olympic photographers...

I need to bury my head about this camera... I am raring to go now.. I want one tommorow.. how will I last until march + unless I try to ignore it :)
 
Oh i know the feeling. Even though I have a brand new Hassy to play with, I am still lusting after this one at full power. I wanted one yesterday and, as I get my get head around the new features and what they can do for me, today things have changed for the worse...LOL

Still my guess is, Olympic photogs first and then, Canon ambassadors and Canon explorers of light... Like I said, us mere freelancers, will be last in the food chain... as always LOL.
 
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IGADIZ said:
Oh i know the feeling. Even though I have a brand new Hassy to play with, I am still lusting after this one at full power. I wanted one yesterday and, as I get my get head around the new features and what they can do for me, today things have changed for the worse...LOL

Still my guess is, Olympic photogs first and then, Canon ambassadors and Canon explorers of light... Like I said, us mere freelancers, will be last in the food chain... as always LOL.
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Who do you think has been trialling them? :)


Tony, nip down to the CPS next Wednesday... I'm sure that they'll let you pick up a post show model with an appropriate ex-demo discount!! :lol:
 
Another new model? .......yay.

That brings the price of perfectly, excellent current models down on the secondhand market, can`t wait for Nikon to do the same and announce new bodies........:thumbs:
 
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arad85 said:
Is it just me that sees the 5D3 (or whatever it'll be called) going after f8 focus and high MPix for the birders?
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I could see the 5D3/3D generally being higher spec/price than the 5D2(AF, Build asdwell as megapixels) now that its not going to be in direct competision with the 1Ds and given that the 1DX will also have high FPS to differentiate it.

Would make more space for a rumoured entry level FF body aswell.
 
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It's about time Canon competed with a D700 style camera. That's where they are seriously lacking. Not looking likely atm.
 
adam* said:
It's about time Canon competed with a D700 style camera. That's where they are seriously lacking. Not looking likely atm.
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Cant see this happening as if you look at the product ranges from Nikon and Canon they deliberately dont make the exact same cameras. What would be the point of the two top makers delivering identical products to market? You need to distinguish yourself and it makes more sense to have something that doesnt directly compete.

B->
 
BLZeebub said:
Cant see this happening as if you look at the product ranges from Nikon and Canon they deliberately dont make the exact same cameras. What would be the point of the two top makers delivering identical products to market? You need to distinguish yourself and it makes more sense to have something that doesnt directly compete.

B->
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I'd disagree with that. The point of making a camera that directly competes would be to take that market share away from the competition.
 
BLZeebub said:
Cant see this happening as if you look at the product ranges from Nikon and Canon they deliberately dont make the exact same cameras. What would be the point of the two top makers delivering identical products to market? You need to distinguish yourself and it makes more sense to have something that doesnt directly compete.

B->
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I'd guess some of that is accounted for by one manifacturer springing a supprize and/or tapping into a market that the other didnt think was large enough, the 5D mk2 pushing megapixels and the D3s pushing ISO for example.

Having established a large market for a high megapixel smaller FF body I find it unlikely that Canon would walk away from it.
 
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