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big soft moose said:
(one sad thing here is that Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are all peoples of the book - i.e. they worship the same God anyway )
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TBH they don't all worship the same God, not even those who claim to be 'Christian' ... they make/follow a god to fit their requirements, just as years ago they bowed down to images made of wood and stone ... which brings us to...
big soft moose said:
Is it the Christiantiy Practiced by the roman catholic
the anglican catholics
the baptsists
the pentacostals (and their various factions)
the methodists
the calvinists
etc

There isn't just one form of christianity they are all different (and none of them exactly follow the teachings of Christ) , and in many cases have spent thousands of years killing each other over who is right.
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A Christian is of footstep-follower of Christ, it's the origin of the name 'Christian' given to 1st Century followers of Jesus Christ who were identified by their following Jesus' teachings. All of the 'titles' you mention above are just that, 'titles' or identities of who they follow, i.e. who best fit what they want to believe - as far as 'Christian' goes the bible clearly lays down that name alone is not acceptable to God, as confirmed by Jesus who correctly noted regarding those not worthy of the name 'Christian', "You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?" (Matt 7:16)
 
Keith W said:
The are all religions Pete

I rest my case
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Huh

Jeff said there were 41,000 christian denominations

you said that was tosh because there was only one christianity

I pointed out that there wasn't just one christianity because all the demonimnations believe all the other denominations are wrong (and in some cases have spent thousands of years killing each other because of it )

and you say "they are all religions - i rest my case"

How does every relgious denomination being a religion (which no one has disputed) prove that jeffs post was tosh ? - logical fail there

even if you meant to write "they are all one religion" , you'd still be wrong because a) they aren't - hence the religious wars , and b) even if this was true it still wouldn't mean that it was tosh that there are 41,000 christian denominations.
 
gramps said:
as far as 'Christian' goes the bible clearly lays down that name alone is not acceptable to God, as confirmed by Jesus who correctly noted regarding those not worthy of the name 'Christian', "You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?" (Matt 7:16)
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So basically you are only a true christian if your behaviour shows you folow the teachings of christ, by that definition many of the worlds 'christian' leaders are going to be going to the other place come the day of judgement (assuming one believes in such of course)

Returning to the OP - If you apply the same reasoning to islam - ie that you are only a true muslim if you follow the teachings of mohammed and demonstate this through your behavior - the sudanese leadership are going to be in deep s*** when they meet Allah
 
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big soft moose said:
So basically you are only a true christian if your behaviour shows you folow the teachings of christ,
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Yes ... otherwise call yourself something else.
(Of course we all make mistakes and that is what Christ's sacrifice helps us with but a 'mistake' is not a way of life). :)
 
big soft moose said:
( I'd also note that we are all at risk of the 'Wrath of Mod'
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I'd like to apologise for that little indecent in the garden of Eden all those years ago :(

But going back to the Opening post, words fail me :(
 
Sharia Law.............................................disgusts me.:mad:

I could go on but I'll say no more for apart from getting banned I'll be stereo typed, pigeon holed, blah blah blah. Oh, wait a minute I already am.:rolleyes:;)
 
gramps said:
I think it's silly not to base your life on Christ's teachings but there you go ... one culture kills people for having a different view another just ridicules them :)
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You could of course be talking about the ultra conservative Christians in the US, who shoot people and bomb clinics because they don't agree with abortion. Maybe we could look at Northern Ireland, where people killed each other for having a different view/belonging to a different branch of the same religion.
 
andy700 said:
You could of course be talking about the ultra conservative Christians in the US, who shoot people and bomb clinics because they don't agree with abortion. Maybe we could look at Northern Ireland, where people killed each other for having a different view/belonging to a different branch of the same religion.
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Those and many others :)
 
gramps said:
TBH they don't all worship the same God, not even those who claim to be 'Christian' ... they make/follow a god to fit their requirements, just as years ago they bowed down to images made of wood and stone ... which brings us to...


A Christian is of footstep-follower of Christ, it's the origin of the name 'Christian' given to 1st Century followers of Jesus Christ who were identified by their following Jesus' teachings. All of the 'titles' you mention above are just that, 'titles' or identities of who they follow, i.e. who best fit what they want to believe - as far as 'Christian' goes the bible clearly lays down that name alone is not acceptable to God, as confirmed by Jesus who correctly noted regarding those not worthy of the name 'Christian', "You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?" (Matt 7:16)
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I would have to disagree with practically everything which you have said, because Judaism, Christianity and Islam are collectively known as the "Abrahamic" faiths. They recognise the same prophets, and they all worship a supreme being - God.
I was indoctrinated into the Roman Catholic faith, sent to RC schools, and didn't have any choice in the matter, something which did not impress me at the time, particularly when I got detention for questioning the "faith", and was humiliated in front of the class.
 
andy700 said:
I would have to disagree with practically everything which you have said, because Judaism, Christianity and Islam are collectively known as the "Abrahamic" faiths. They recognise the same prophets, and they all worship a supreme being - God.
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The right to disagree is yours :)
Judaism, Christianity and Islam may 'recognise' the same prophets but as for worshiping God ...
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
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Matthew 7:21-23

God will not be fooled :)
 
gramps said:
The right to disagree is yours :)
Judaism, Christianity and Islam may 'recognise' the same prophets but as for worshiping God ...
Matthew 7:21-23

God will not be fooled :)
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Oh here we go.
 
And all our gutless politicians do is to "protest in the strongest terms"... If our PM had any balls, he would stop ALL aid to Sudan immediately and stop all trade too or from them. If all the other Western countries did the same they would soon get their point across. Could also send a few warships to the area, put some real pressure on.
 
I has a couple of Jehovah's witnesses knock on the door recently.
"we'd like to talk to you" they said.

So I invited them in, sat them down with tea and biscuits
and said "Ok what would you like to say?"

After staring blankly at each other for a few seconds,
one said
"I don't know, we've never got this far before"
 
gramps said:
Intolerant of the view of others Viv?
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Not remotely. Just no desire to be preached to....which is exactly what you did.

For every testament quote. I could follow with something from Harry Potter.

They were good books too.
 
gramps said:
Intolerant of the view of others Viv?
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I have to admit that the intolerance I experienced at school, was aimed at me by the teachers because I dared to question them. I also experienced intolerance at home, when I refused to go to mass on Sunday, and my mother threatened to send me into care.
I know all about intolerance.
 
ST4 said:
Oh dear, just when I thought you and I would agree on the content of this thread....
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You have to agree though, they're just about as relevant to life :-)
 
viv1969 said:
Not remotely. Just no desire to be preached to....which is exactly what you did.
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Sorry Viv but my reply ("preaching" or otherwise) was not addressed to you as you can surely see by my quoting of the post I replied to.

andy700 said:
I have to admit that the intolerance I experienced at school, was aimed at me by the teachers because I dared to question them. I also experienced intolerance at home, when I refused to go to mass on Sunday, and my mother threatened to send me into care.
I know all about intolerance.
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The actions that you describe hardly indicate a Christian attitude though do they ... if they called themselves 'Christian' and acted that way, were they really 'Christian'?
Sadly many 'religions' (and people) claiming to be Christian, act in such an un-Christian way that they turn people away from what Christianity actually means, teaches and encourages.
 
gramps said:
Sorry Viv but my reply ("preaching" or otherwise) was not addressed to you as you can surely see by my quoting of the post I replied to.
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When posted in an open forum, it's open to interpretation and reply by all.

If you wish no one to reply, do it by PM.

I stand by my reply and make no apology for it.
 
The people I object to the most are those with 'faith' who believe that a faithless person is incapable of having integrity, being part of a loving family and having respect for their fellow man. I don't need to follow any of the scriptures to respect life and be a good member of society. It is those with religion who tear apart societies - across the world. We would have a much happier planet without religion.

Another aspect of religion that perplexes me is that members of different but fairly similar religions are always at each others throats. Shias and Sunnis, as well as proclaiming war against non-believers are forever killing each other. Same goes for RC -v- Protestant in various parts of the world. Why, oh why, can they not see and celebrate the similarities of their beliefs rather than fight over the, rather minor, differences.

Besides, I thought it was against the rules to discuss fairy tales?
 
viv1969 said:
When posted in an open forum, it's open to interpretation and reply by all.

If you wish no one to reply, do it by PM.

I stand by my reply and make no apology for it.
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That's quite different to saying I was preaching at you Viv, but I'll let it rest there with you as it's clear your agenda is more one of confrontation.
 
gramps said:
That's quite different to saying I was preaching at you Viv, but I'll let it rest there with you as it's clear your agenda is more one of confrontation.
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You are clearly used to misinterpreting text.

I'm not being confrontational, merely maintaining an opposing view.
 
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gramps said:
The right to disagree is yours :)
Judaism, Christianity and Islam may 'recognise' the same prophets but as for worshiping God ...
Matthew 7:21-23

God will not be fooled :)
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I find this puzzling.

Are you suggesting that your god only recognises Christians?
 
simon ess said:
I find this puzzling.

Are you suggesting that your god only recognises Christians?
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I don't have a God exclusive to me :D
The Almighty God, (there are many other 'gods' both spirit and man-made), only accepts those who do his will (see Jesus words at Matthew 7:21-23 noted above), that is not to say that he doesn't notice, "recognise" or draw those who are not doing his will at that time ... clearly he does as the bible shows that Jesus came to save 'sinners', (by definition those not doing his will).
There are many examples of 'sinners' being 'called' in the bible, e.g. Paul was a persecutor of Christians but following the calling on the road to Damascus became the busiest Christian missionary of his time, but all of these came to change their way of live and to conform their lives to do Gods will.
In the final end, God will only accept those doing his will, whatever they may at one time have called themselves ... Christian = Christ-like ... though being sinful by nature not being a slave of sin but rather wishing to live in accordance with Gods will.
 
gramps said:
I don't have a God exclusive to me :D
The Almighty God, (there are many other 'gods' both spirit and man-made), only accepts those who do his will (see Jesus words at Matthew 7:21-23 noted above), that is not to say that he doesn't notice, "recognise" or draw those who are not doing his will at that time ... clearly he does as the bible shows that Jesus came to save 'sinners', (by definition those not doing his will).
There are many examples of 'sinners' being 'called' in the bible, e.g. Paul was a persecutor of Christians but following the calling on the road to Damascus became the busiest Christian missionary of his time, but all of these came to change their way of live and to conform their lives to do Gods will.
In the final end, God will only accept those doing his will, whatever they may at one time have called themselves ... Christian = Christ-like ... though being sinful by nature not being a slave of sin but rather wishing to live in accordance with Gods will.
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That god bloke is nasty isn't he. If you don't "do his will" you're sent to hell. Charming!
 
Ever said The Lord's Prayer Ricardo?
 
It's moot now anyway.
She's being released. :)
 
In principle religion is a good thing and generally teaches right and wrong. Like most things though, a minority go ott and spoil it.
 
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