Brutal and savage behaviour

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"Gun boat up the Nile" used to solve any problems ……. but that would be far too "cruel" these days
 
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It's pretty hard to comprehend really.

Not really wanting to get into religion / apostasy but even putting the fact she was brought up Christian to one side, I'd like to think human beings have a free choice.
 
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easily solved - just freeze the London bank accounts of their Politicians and top Military which are stuffed full of aid money that they have diverted and stop their wives and kids shopping in Harrods and Bond St
Solved in a simple letter from the PM …. but "our" Bankers would not be happy!
 
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First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
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And this is just another reason why religion has no place in modern society. They are all, at their core, barbaric.
 
ST4 said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27646747

I hope she gets free. Its not our place to interfere, but I hope she gets off
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Doesn't happen often Steve, but i agree with you.
It's not even a case of "getting off". She has done nothing wrong except in the eyes of, let's face it, male self appointed religious extremists.
 
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viv1969 said:
Doesn't happen often Steve, but i agree with you.
It's not even a case of "getting off". She has done nothing wrong except in the eyes of, let's face it, male self appointed religious extremists.
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Well aye, but you know what I mean. Its tantamount to murder whats going to happen IMHO. Whilst its not our place to interfere, you want and hope for common sense to prevail. She's done nothing wrong. Perhaps we should cut all aid/debt relief to Sudan and see if they change their mind?
 
viv1969 said:
And this is just another reason why religion has no place in modern society. They are all, at their core, barbaric.
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Actually not true Viv, some people use religion for barbaric reasons, however reading the Sermon on the Mount will show that when followed correctly Jesus's teachings are for good, not harm ... anyway sermon over :)
 
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gramps said:
Actually not true Viv, some people use religion for barbaric reasons, however reading the Sermon on the Mount will show that when followed correctly Jesus's teachings are for good, not harm ... anyway sermon over :)
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The bible, like the Grimm fairytales, is a good read; however to live one's life according to either is absurd.
 
viv1969 said:
The bible, like the Grimm fairytales, is a good read; however to live one's life according to either is absurd.
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We won't agree Viv but there is nothing absurd in living your life with a view to peace and consideration for others :)
 
Archaeologists near Mount Sinai have discovered what is believed to be a missing page from the Bible. The page is currently being carbon dated in Bonn. If genuine it belongs at the beginning of the Bible and is believed to read "To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within this book are fictitous and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely coincidental." The page has been universally condemned by church leaders.
 
gramps said:
We won't agree Viv but there is nothing absurd in living your life with a view to peace and consideration for others :)
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No indeed. But neither is their any point in crediting or condemning some fictitious deity for the good or bad things that happen.

Fwiw...I don't speak with a lack of experience. I was raised Catholic and served a 12 year sentence in Catholic prison educational facility.
 
I think it's silly not to base your life on Christ's teachings but there you go ... one culture kills people for having a different view another just ridicules them :)
 
gramps said:
I think it's silly not to base your life on Christ's teachings but there you go ... one culture kills people for having a different view another just ridicules them :)
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I'm not ridiculing. I feel nothing but pity for those who require such a crutch in their lives.
 
gramps said:
I think it's silly not to base your life on Christ's teachings but there you go ... one culture kills people for having a different view another just ridicules them :)
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I'm fairly sure however that Jesus would be absolutely horrified and appalled by the things that have been done in His name in the last two thousand years. - as equally mohammed would be at many of the things done in the name of Islam. - trouble is that at a state/country level both politics and religion are often aliases for money and power
 
I'm not a religious man, I have studied the bible and can see the merit of some of christs teachings, like do as you be done by, but not turn the other cheek.

Every ancient society has had some form of religion and marriage union, its what unites all different creeds/faiths, its the common demoniator. All these religions have an afterlife and a higher being....

Some people, I think, need to believe in an after life as it helps them deal with the concept of death. Some use religion to try and explain where they came from and why they are here. Personally, I don't care why I am here (my folks had a bank holiday bonk that went wrong) and when I am dead, I am dead. I don't need an ancient doctorine to help me come to terms with that. Some people just believe, and that's great. If it helps them and gives them comfort, great. I won't riducule it.

But I believe, religion shouldn't be in education or in law making decision making process. I believe in a seculor society.
 
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I'm fairly sure however that Jesus would be absolutely horrified and appalled by the things that have been done in His name in the last two thousand years. - as equally mohammed would be at many of the things done in the name of Islam. - trouble is that at a state/country level both politics and religion are often aliases for money and power
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I entirely agree and why I always say that there is a difference between 'religion' and 'Christianity' :)
 
All will be well in The Sudan, as once the Report has had all the long words removed and the grammar simplified the message will get through to Fort Hood and the US Calvary will come riding in, guns a blazing …….
 
gramps said:
I entirely agree and why I always say that there is a difference between 'religion' and 'Christianity' :)
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Indeed... a massive difference

In fact I would go as far as to say religion is the biggest threat to Christianity there is
 
It would appear that forgiveness is not a word in the Muslim "religion" - that is a major difference
 
Wikipedia quote
...there are reported to be approximately 41,000 Christian denominations...
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Religion - The cause and solution to the majority of the world's problems


If you have faith in something, good, if not, also good.

Whatever/whoever you believe in, that's fine. Just don't expect anyone else to agree.

Nikon, Canon, Sony, Pentax..... zzzzzzz
 
One of the things that saddens me about this is the fact that this sort of thing has been going on in Sudan for years and yet no one has done or said anything.

The lady mentioned in the OP own problems started in 2011

It is only because this has made its way to the national new/press that politicians are jumping on the band wagon of condemnation - where were they, and anyone else for that matter, years ago?
 
Well it has been brought up now as has what happens to women and young girls in India, two raped this week then hung and no police action initially as they were from a lower cast than the men who did it.

So the world is moving forward

No hope with Muslims, they do not forgive and a small minority will continue killing each other and "non believers" for ever … as that's the way to "their" heaven
 
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Jeff Spangle said:
Wikipedia quote

...there are reported to be approximately 41,000 Christian denominations...
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Religion - The cause and solution to the majority of the world's problems


If you have faith in something, good, if not, also good.

Whatever/whoever you believe in, that's fine. Just don't expect anyone else to agree.

Nikon, Canon, Sony, Pentax..... zzzzzzz
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Like a lot of stuff quoted from wikipedia, a load of old tosh

There is only one Christianity

There may, however, be many religious denominations
 
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It would appear that forgiveness is not a word in the Muslim "religion" - that is a major difference
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to be fair the other major regilions of the world havent done too well on forgiving others either - and the practices in this case are about as representative of islam as the a inquisition is of christianity.

In this particular case forgiveness is not an issue because she isnt asking them to forgive her - she's saying she did nothing wrong in the first place

( I'd also note that we are all at risk of the 'Wrath of Mod' if we stray into generalities about religion rather than the specifics of this case
 
Keith W said:
There is only one Christianity
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ah but which one ? - nearly every demonination claims they they are the "one True religion" and everyone else is a pagan, a heretic, or an apostate.

the alledged sin in this case is that she was a muslim who has converted to christiantity and refuses to come back to the one true faith

she says that she was never a muslim , as she was raised a christian and therefore she isnt guilty of apostasy.

(one sad thing here is that Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are all peoples of the book - i.e. they worship the same God anyway )
 
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big soft moose said:
to be fair the other major regilions of the world havent done too well on forgiving others either - and the practices in this case are about as representative of islam as the a inquisition is of christianity.

In this particular case forgiveness is not an issue because she isnt asking them to forgive her - she's saying she did nothing wrong in the first place

( I'd also note that we are all at risk of the 'Wrath of Mod' if we stray into generalities about religion rather than the specifics of this case
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the major difference I referred to was with Christianity (today) as that is what the previous posting was discussing
 
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ah but which one ? - nearly every demonination claims they they are the "one True religion" and everyone else is a pagan, a heretic, or an apostate
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What do you mean which one? I am guessing by your quote you are misunderstanding what it is I said
 
BillN_33 said:
the major difference I referred to was with Christianity (today) as that is what the previous posting was discussing
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yes but Christians don't have a shining record on forgiving their enemies either - As I said look at the inquision , or the various catholic vs potestant conficts over the years (and still going on today)
 
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(one sad thing here is that Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are all peoples of the book - i.e. they worship the same God anyway )
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Indeed, only the prophet is different. Muslims, IIRC accept Jesus as a prophet, but not the son of god. The jews don't accept him as either and Jews and Christians don't accept Mohammed as a prophet. All, IMHO, in todays world, a bit of a silly reason to kill someone.
 
Keith W said:
Like a lot of stuff quoted from wikipedia, a load of old tosh

There is only one Christianity

There may, however, be many religious denominations
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But their respective beliefs are strong and "gospel". They don't agree with each other even though the cast remains the same.

Very weird. But ask them, they are ALL right. Same with all the other numerous religions, hundreds of them, they have a cast list that at times is very similar. They are all right as well.

So who is right. Are they all wrong. Does is matter?


I whole heartedly agree on Wikipeadia, can you trust what is on the site?


http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists...ons-are-there-part-five-the-hard-numbers.html

Possibly 11 major religions, they are all right of course.


I'm not after an argument, far from it. Just listing information and offering non-biased comment, to be honest I don't really care as I'm a non-believer (Sony user).
 
Keith W said:
What do you mean which one? I am guessing by your quote you are misunderstanding what it is I said
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Is it the Christiantiy Practiced by the roman catholic
the anglican catholics
the baptsists
the pentacostals (and their various factions)
the methodists
the calvinists
etc

There isn't just one form of christianity they are all different (and none of them exactly follow the teachings of Christ) , and in many cases have spent thousands of years killing each other over who is right.
 
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