Bloody Kids

I think you are being a bit naive there.

:nono: it is wrong......he wouldn't..


(sorry to say that he is a little(big) b****r and i know he is i was say it in a funny way) :lol:

oh and when i get my hand on the bloody bratt i am goona stand ona stool and clip him one round the ear
 
I have repossessed my 15y/old's mobile phone (that I pay the contract on) as a consequence of disrespectful behaviour. A lesson for him - 'Every action has an equal and opposite reaction'

My father-in-law says 'Having kids is better than not having kids, but only just'. He's 83.

My partner says 'What's the point of having pets (or kids) if you can't persecute them?'.

But I figure that there's nothing I would rather be involved in and there are plenty of photgraphs to take when you have a family!
 
I have 8 children and I have a large book on child psychology,



thrown from less than 20 paces and I never miss
 
just gonna throw in a big one here. The reason why a lot of kids have gone off the rails nowadays is because the government has made it harder for us to dicipline our kids. Smacking has been outlawed, kids know that they can pretty much get away with anything because to a degree the police are powerless, and a kid now isn't a problem kid, he now has ADHD, so instead of treating them all like special little snowflakes and pussy footing around them, you will get some progress. Now its not all the government, a lot of the blame will fall on the parents, after all too many parents like having kids to bump up benefits, get a new house and are still kids themsleves. DVD players and xboxes are the parent of choice.

"Just throw thm in front of the toy story trilogy co's i cant be bothered to deal with them."

Now i appreciate that smacking is a taboo subject, its like marmite, however if i was bad i got smacked, i learn't respect and i darn't answer my parents back. I didn't grow up with a chip on my sholder or thought the world owed me a living, a short sharp shock kept me in line, because this government guideline super nanny crap really would not have worked with me. All kids are different, and one type of punishment will not always work with all kids. There is a thin line between smacking your kids because they decided to pour paint all over your living room, to beating your kid to within an inch of his life because he coughed during the queens speech on christmas day. Now yes it is true that a lot of kids run riot in the streets and yes a lot of it is to do with lazy parents and lack of dicipline and yes a lot is to do with the government and society.

One thing i hate hearing is when kids in my town say "well theres nothing to do."

so apart from the Cinema, town centre, various youth centres, skateboard park, museums, swimming pool, lake, many many parks, arcade centre, gyms, army cadets, air cadets, sea cadets, football clubs, boxing clubs, 103 other clubs there really is nothing to do. We really do live in an emmerdale village in the sticks that is known as hertfordshire.

But as i said in an earlier post, there are a lot of bad kids about, but there are also a lot of good kids too. And i have personally found the elderly in my town are VERY rude. A young hoodie opened a door for a pensioner and she completely blanked him, no thank you or anything. A couple of old women were complaining about my wife on the bus because she was young and sitting on the bus with a baby. She was married to me but because she was on her own she had to be a single mother unmarried with a child.

Again re explaining a post i mentioned earlier about some old ladies walking passed our local skateboard park, they were complaining that the kids should have something better to do. Like what? mug you, throw stones at your house? sit at home all day being lazy on the xbox, or get a job? but they are still in school most of them, don't wish their life away already by making them work, they were all contained within the sakteboard park, minding their own business having fun, and not hurting anyone. even there they are still in the wrong. I have probably gone way off topic now and my fingers hurt so i will leave it at that.
 
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Liberal clap-trap ;)
Undoubtedly there are some very fine young men and women around today and the world will hopefully be a better place for them. However ... there are also a great number of those who think the world owes them a living and are disinclined to do anything productive in society ... those need a good kick up the backside to help them see the error of their ways and point them in the right direction.

This shows a complete and utter lack of respect for individuality and an even lesser understanding of psychology.

If you want to bully people into being model citizens there are some wonderful fascist regimes still in operation in less enlightened societies, but all the studies show that encouragement and correct understanding of the reasons for behaviour is the way to foster responsibility. You can;t force someone to be responsible, it has to come from within as a result of self-worth.

Seriously, that link I posted is a whole new way of dealing with behaviour issues that works long-term for the right reasons. It just takes a re-education of what discipline really is for.
 
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This shows a complete and utter lack of respect for individuality and an even lesser understanding of psychology.

If you want to bully people into being model citizens there are some wonderful fascist regimes still in operation in less enlightened societies, but all the studies show that encouragement and correct understanding of the reasons for behaviour is the way to foster responsibility. You can;t force someone to be responsible, it has to come from within as a result of self-worth.

Seriously, that link I posted is a whole new way of dealing with behaviour issues that works long-term for the right reasons. It just takes a re-education of what discipline really is for.

On the contrary, respect needs to be earned it isn't an automatic entitlement just because you exist.
Putting things right doesn't mean fascist regimes anymore than it means pandering to the wants of everyone who thinks the world owes them a living; nor does it mean sqeezing everyone into some self-determined mould. Of course there is room for individuality but if that individuality encroaches on the rights of others then it has gone too far.

Discipline involves primarily teaching and training, helping an individual to follow a good pattern of living, (which includes things like respect for others and their property), and if absolutley necessary, yes, physical discipline out of love.
A child that is not disciplined and set proper boundaries will be unhappy himself and often a nuisance to others.
The world has tried all sorts of liberal clap-trap since the days of Dr Spock (who later admitted he was wrong) and that is what has brought us to the state with so many f e c kless young ones today, brought up without their parent(s) understanding what is needed to be a parent and in many instances with a completely useless parental example.
Children are taught that they can have what they want, TV's, computers, mp3's, sex without responsibility ... the list is endless. No one is teaching them that they need to contribute to society, to help others, to respect their elders and that there is more to life than winning 'X Factor'. Offer a youngster today an old-fashioned apprenticeship and most would laugh at you - society has taught then that they have the right to earn the same as someone who has 25 years of experience in the job.

I say again, there are some great youngsters out there today, but there are some who are completely the opposite and when they become the parents of the future heaven help us all.

I'm sorry but society has been doing it your way for too many years now and it hasn't worked ... time for back to basics methinks ... but it won't happen!
 
Very true, bring back the cane. I can never see it come back though, and the old police bobby that would give you a clip round the ear for being disrespectful. A lot fo people see that as old fashioned and not a place in modern society, but hey at least kids knew respect when these old fashioned punishments were around.

The hoodie gangs going around saying "you need to respect me." for what reason? you don't even respect yourselves and can't even dress yourself properly with your bums hanging out your jeans. Here is a bit of interesting fact, kids who walk around with thier trousers round their bum showing off their pants originated from the american prison systems that was a sign to other inmates they are someones bi*ch and not to be touched, but the younger generation don't know that, they just think its cool and the fashion. So point that out to them when you see them "so who owns your bum then?"

The Ali G character seemed to go down a storm with the gangs and chavs, they thought he was highly funny and a role model. sacha baron Choen, didn't create that character as a role model, or to set a trend for kids to follow, what most kids didnt realise was he was actually taking the mick and mocking them, because the Ali G character was thick, dressed like a knob and talked like an idiot.
 
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Jesus, I'm just glad neither of you are teachers or care givers. You're not, are you?

If you took the time to read the site I linked with an open mind instead of your entrenched views you'd see that positive parenting is not about giving kids slack or not disciplining them at all. If you think that and you think society has been doing it this way for years then you have zero, zilch, nada understanding of what I'm suggesting.

Positive parenting has been proven to give kids self-respect which leads to respecting others and the word they live in. It leads to well adjusted and open people who care about society and want nothing more than to be successful. Learning to discipline yourself internally is something that comes natural when there is an understanding of the goals behind unacceptable behaviour.

What it doesn't do is promote rebellion, self-loathing, anger, hatred or any other screwed up emotional mess that DO AS I DAMN WELL SAY OR IT'LL BE THE CANE teaches.

If you think it's fine to beat people who don't toe the party line then I'm sure you'll be even better off in China than a fascist regime.
 
If you think it's fine to beat people who don't toe the party line then I'm sure you'll be even better off in China than a fascist regime.

Sorry but you just destroy your argument by going that route ... it's clearly ridiculous.
I can't speak for anyone else but I am not recommending beating people, however in certain circumstances there is a place for reinforcing discipline with a smack or with the application of some form of punishment, depending upon age etc.
In general terms, with good parenting, very little physical discipline will ever be required. The problem we have today is that there is a proliferation of poor parenting and example and it is getting worse. People today are so often in fear of moving around their own community feeling intimidated by young people. Now this fear may be unfounded in many instances but it has now become endemic because of what so frequently happens ... the results are piling up for the future.
 
I am going to batter mine in a minute.. Playing Rugby this afternoon and now i am on the way to the hospital again!!!!!


(oh and don't jump down my throat please.)
 
I am going to batter mine in a minute.. Playing Rugby this afternoon and now i am on the way to the hospital again!!!!!


(oh and don't jump down my throat please.)

Nose (again)? Terri? About time they amputated it for him to stop him breaking it every year!
 
Sorry but you just destroy your argument by going that route ... it's clearly ridiculous.
I can't speak for anyone else but I am not recommending beating people, however in certain circumstances there is a place for reinforcing discipline with a smack or with the application of some form of punishment, depending upon age etc.
In general terms, with good parenting, very little physical discipline will ever be required. The problem we have today is that there is a proliferation of poor parenting and example and it is getting worse. People today are so often in fear of moving around their own community feeling intimidated by young people. Now this fear may be unfounded in many instances but it has now become endemic because of what so frequently happens ... the results are piling up for the future.

Of course I don't. I was making a point. I don't see any difference between smacking a child and beating someone. I was a sensitive child and was disciplined physically a number of occasions. On each occasion it caused me to withdraw more and lose confidence in the people I was supposed to trust the most - my parents.

I agree there is a proliferation of poor parenting, I just don't agree that intimidating children is the way to change it. That is pure and simple reactionary behaviour.

any parent that resorts to violence to discipline a child has resorted to the worst kind of bullying and has, frankly, lost control. Physical discipline is a sign that the parent has run out of intelligent means to redirect behaviour or is plain lazy.

Look, before I found out that there were other ways to bring kids up efficiently without the need for excessive drama and power struggles I'd have done the same as everyone and repeated the mistakes of my parents. There is another way though and just fighting your corner because you don't wish to be educated is one of the key reasons we don't evolve as a species.

Until we can teach our children that violence solves nothing we'll be stuck as the domesticated primates most of us tend to be and we'll rarely have an original thought in our lives.

You reap what you sow.
 
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just gonna throw in a big one here. The reason why a lot of kids have gone off the rails nowadays is because the government has made it harder for us to dicipline our kids. Smacking has been outlawed, kids know that they can pretty much get away with anything because to a degree the police are powerless, and a kid now isn't a problem kid, he now has ADHD, so instead of treating them all like special little snowflakes and pussy footing around them, you will get some progress. Now its not all the government, a lot of the blame will fall on the parents, after all too many parents like having kids to bump up benefits, get a new house and are still kids themsleves. DVD players and xboxes are the parent of choice.

"Just throw thm in front of the toy story trilogy co's i cant be bothered to deal with them."

Now i appreciate that smacking is a taboo subject, its like marmite, however if i was bad i got smacked, i learn't respect and i darn't answer my parents back. I didn't grow up with a chip on my sholder or thought the world owed me a living, a short sharp shock kept me in line, because this government guideline super nanny crap really would not have worked with me. All kids are different, and one type of punishment will not always work with all kids. There is a thin line between smacking your kids because they decided to pour paint all over your living room, to beating your kid to within an inch of his life because he coughed during the queens speech on christmas day. Now yes it is true that a lot of kids run riot in the streets and yes a lot of it is to do with lazy parents and lack of dicipline and yes a lot is to do with the government and society.

One thing i hate hearing is when kids in my town say "well theres nothing to do."

so apart from the Cinema, town centre, various youth centres, skateboard park, museums, swimming pool, lake, many many parks, arcade centre, gyms, army cadets, air cadets, sea cadets, football clubs, boxing clubs, 103 other clubs there really is nothing to do. We really do live in an emmerdale village in the sticks that is known as hertfordshire.

But as i said in an earlier post, there are a lot of bad kids about, but there are also a lot of good kids too. And i have personally found the elderly in my town are VERY rude. A young hoodie opened a door for a pensioner and she completely blanked him, no thank you or anything. A couple of old women were complaining about my wife on the bus because she was young and sitting on the bus with a baby. She was married to me but because she was on her own she had to be a single mother unmarried with a child.

Again re explaining a post i mentioned earlier about some old ladies walking passed our local skateboard park, they were complaining that the kids should have something better to do. Like what? mug you, throw stones at your house? sit at home all day being lazy on the xbox, or get a job? but they are still in school most of them, don't wish their life away already by making them work, they were all contained within the sakteboard park, minding their own business having fun, and not hurting anyone. even there they are still in the wrong. I have probably gone way off topic now and my fingers hurt so i will leave it at that.

Nothing to do with government ,they don't deal with our/your kids day in day out we as parents do and we as parents are responsible for our children's behaviour ,these "yobs" are the end result of not being taught the rights and wrongs haven't been taught respect to other people ,so as parents they have failed miserably. If I want to keep my kids in check I don't need anyone's permission to do so certainly not the bloody government .
 
I don't see any difference between smacking a child and beating someone.

Then I'm afraid that you have a disjointed view of discipline.

I was a sensitive child and was disciplined physically a number of occasions. On each occasion it caused me to withdraw more and lose confidence in the people I was supposed to trust the most - my parents.

I can't comment on the type of 'physical discipline' you experienced but if your comment that there is no difference between a smack and a beating has any bearing on the subject I'm not surprised that you have an issue with the subject.

I agree there is a proliferation of poor parenting, I just don't agree that intimidating children is the way to change it. That is pure and simple reactionary behaviour.

Discipline isn't intimidation, unless you've got it wrong.

any parent that resorts to violence to discipline a child has resorted to the worst kind of bullying and has, frankly, lost control. Physical discipline is a sign that the parent has run out of intelligent means to redirect behaviour or is plain lazy.

A smack is not bullying, neither is it a loss of control nor an indication that a parent has lost the intelligence to bring up their child. The results of children that have had no loving discipline is out there for all to see.

You reap what you sow.

Yep, I've got 4 well-adjusted children, with well-adjusted children of their own ... they were disciplined, (i.e. trained and encouraged), to have respect for their parents and for other people and to make a useful contribution to society.
Did they ever get a smack, yes when it was necessary and they didn't respond to normal guidance, it was rare and it was controlled but it worked far better than the 'naughty step'. They were never found screaming and stamping their feet in Tescos because they couldn't have something, they didn't intimidate old ladies at bus stops and they were never brought home by the police.
 
Kids are brilliant:cool:

There are a lot of really valid points in this thread - and a lot of tosh.

We have three very well adjusted, thoughtful, loving, helpful etc etc kids. We are not experts in parenting nor do we have psychology degrees. Nobody taught us how either.

I am a firm believer in ' your kids are what you teach them to be'. They come into this world with nothing. They learn what they will eventually become - unfortunately not always the good stuff.
Disciplin - when needed including physical (in moderation), love and care in proliferation but mostly respect and the teaching of respect to others is, in my opinion, a help toward success.

Our kids aren't perfect - in fact they can be little, (actually not so little), bu**ers but we're proud of them and love them. My baby gets married in 5 months.

Terri I feel for you I'm sure he'll grow out of it - unless you throttle him first.

The salient point is if he ever has kids he'll probably come to you for help;)
 
Then I'm afraid that you have a disjointed view of discipline.



I can't comment on the type of 'physical discipline' you experienced but if your comment that there is no difference between a smack and a beating has any bearing on the subject I'm not surprised that you have an issue with the subject.



Discipline isn't intimidation, unless you've got it wrong.



A smack is not bullying, neither is it a loss of control nor an indication that a parent has lost the intelligence to bring up their child. The results of children that have had no loving discipline is out there for all to see.



Yep, I've got 4 well-adjusted children, with well-adjusted children of their own ... they were disciplined, (i.e. trained and encouraged), to have respect for their parents and for other people and to make a useful contribution to society.
Did they ever get a smack, yes when it was necessary and they didn't respond to normal guidance, it was rare and it was controlled but it worked far better than the 'naughty step'. They were never found screaming and stamping their feet in Tescos because they couldn't have something, they didn't intimidate old ladies at bus stops and they were never brought home by the police.

Okay, we'll agree to differ. I wasn't beaten black and blue, but a smack felt like an absolute betrayal and that affects you. Everyone responds differently though, of course.

I'm glad you have well-adjusted children.
 
For the record, when I was at school, I had a PE teacher who was a great believer in corporal punishment, he gave us a spelling test once and announced that he would give us a slipper across the backside for every mistake we made - I made 14.
On the negative side, after this happened, I always thought of him as a bully and he lost my respect ... on the positive side it improved my spelling.
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Nose (again)? Terri? About time they amputated it for him to stop him breaking it every year!

:lol: :bang: no not this time bust and dislocated little finger.. i am sure he will save the nose till the last game.

we got him a mcdonalds on the way home, he now thinks if he breaks his leg he will get sky sports back:help: :bang:
 
:lol: :bang: no not this time bust and dislocated little finger.. i am sure he will save the nose till the last game.

we got him a mcdonalds on the way home, he now thinks if he breaks his leg he will get sky sports back:help: :bang:

:help: :bang: ? You need more like :divineintervention:!!!
Hope his finger went back in OK and that it doesn't give him as much gyp as my shoulder still does nearly 30 years after I popped it out...
 
seems to be ok at the moment.. but we will see what the future brings. with luck this is the last term for Rugby..
 
Reminds me of Liam last year........ 19 going on 9! He's getting there but still doesn't quite grasp the reality of nothing is free now you're a big boy! Almost, though......I have high hopes :)
 
while sat in the hospital today.. with a teacher of his who was fantastic i was trying to explain why about sky sports going ect ect ect 3 guys behind us were listerning very intentley. then told him he was a lucky ****er.. the funny thing was. one was there for a split head one was there for a broken nose and one was there for a cut eye.. Funny when another of grant tutors phoned him these lads knew him.. i have to sa thanks to them and the tutor who was with us it was all rather giggley


(and no know one had been drinking all sprt related)
 
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while sat in the hospital today.. with a teacher of his who was fantastic i was trying to explain why about sky sports going ect ect ect 3 guys behind us were listerning very intentley. then told him he was a lucky ****er.. the funny thing was. one was there for a split head one was there for a broken nose and one was there for a cut eye.. Funny when another of grant tutors phoned him these lads knew him.. i have to sa thanks to them and the tutor who was with us it was all rather giggley


(and no know one had been drinking all sprt related)


Eh? ... somebody's been drinking! :thinking:
 
My grandfather born in 1898 told me about smacking children” you knock one devil out but knock two B**ers back in”


The teenagers of today
I remember
The teddy boys with their cut throat razors and flick knives
The mods and rocker with bike chains and assorted weaponry
Hippys pot LSD and free love
Skin heads
Punks
Hood rats
The uniform has changed that’s all

Our children grow up and have children of their own who will give them the same problems we have had then you can, like me, laugh and say vengeance is sweet you did that to me you little b**er
 
out of love.

Absolute rubbish; "out of love" was what I was told when I was smashed on the head so hard, so much that it left a scar for over 6 months, because I couldn't find something.

The fact that there are some people in this thread condoning violence so easily makes me want to hurl.
 
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Absolute rubbish; "out of love" was what I was told when I was smashed on the head so hard, so much that it left a scar for over 6 months, because I couldn't find something.

The fact that there are some people in this thread condoning violence so easily makes me want to hurl.

No it's not "rubbish" at all. Just because you were apparently physically abused as a child does not mean that I was not able to discipline my children 'out of love' or that nobody else is able to do the same.
Loving discipline is not 'violence' or 'child abuse', teaching and training a child to go in the right direction is an act of love - physical abuse is something quite different.
 
please keep your fingers crossed for me said bratt is playing rugby this afternoon.. just what i need.. i will need to get the step out agin so i can batter his ears.
 
lol re my thread FAO NOD .. emmm nope and the sod won't come home so i can batter him.. sorry but i know most won't find it funny but the boy is a hazzard.. his finger is fine. just most of is face isn't
 
just another 5 maybe 6 nd a few more i am sure..
 
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this was the last bad one this new one he says is about as bad
 
nope not yet and after his recent exam results i think it will be easter before he does..lol
 
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