Bin laden dead

AQ have today released a statement acknowledging that OBL is dead. Perhaps some of the people who refused to believe he is dead will now begin to believe it.

PMK the threat isn't diminished, yet. Hopefully by the time the rest of the rats are exterminated, things will improve
 
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TriggerHappy said:
Wow, with an attitude like that you're no better than them! :thumbsdown:
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Its at times like these that I take issue with the Adminnies
for removing the popcorn emote :D
I'll leave someone else to make the connection ;)
 
IMO Bin Laden has not been able to commuicate effectively for sometime due to the huge bounty on his head and also the race to fight him. Think when the last video of him was released then think how many videos of the other Al Qaeda ranking people there has been. He was only the figure head of Al Qaeda the role of "leader" had been passed on long before his assassination. The only thing this has done is made a martyr out of him and a great big of propaganda in the extremist recruiting machine.

The whole thing has turned into a bit of a balls up, misinformation has been announced from senior US figures right from the start. No pictures released, there is a video there isn't a video, he used his wife as a shield, he didnt use her as a shield, he was armed, he wasn't armed???

The order was called to help a President who was faultering badly due to the war in afganastan and the biggest critisim of him was that he was unable to make difficult descions right from the start of him tenure. What better excuse to end the war than kill the figure head of the cause and the fact that he gave the order demonstrates he can make difficult calls.

Someone answer one question, what did Bin Ladens assassination accomplish? Its about time people actually asked the question why these "terrorists" are wanting to carry out such attrocities. Don't get me wrong I am no sympathiser I just chose not to swallow up all the crap the media and heads of state try and feed us.
 
Donki said:
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Someone answer one question, what did Bin Ladens assassination accomplish?
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Eh? This guy was the symbolic head of AQ and the man who personally planned the 9/11 attack and others. He was responsible for the deaths of thousands. If it's achieved nothing else - he wont be planning any more atrocities. Are you not understanding the simple fact that we're at war with these ****ers ?
 
CT said:
Eh? This guy was the symbolic head of AQ and the man who personally planned the 9/11 attack and others. He was responsible for the deaths of thousands. If it's achieved nothing else - he wont be planning any more atrocities. Are you not understanding the simple fact that we're at war with these ****ers ?
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It seems that some cannot grasp that rather simple fact Cedric.
 
Donki said:
Its about time people actually asked the question why these "terrorists" are wanting to carry out such attrocities.
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In AQ/ the Taliban's case it is simple - they want a world where there is no religious freedom, everyone follows the teachings of the koran, and is ruled by sharia law - they've stated that openly, so it is hardly western media spin or ***** fed to us by heads of state.

faced with that kind of thing appeasement isnt really an option, unless anyone fancies going back to a mediaval life style ruled by religious extremists.
 
CT said:
Eh? This guy was the symbolic head of AQ and the man who personally planned the 9/11 attack and others. He was responsible for the deaths of thousands. If it's achieved nothing else - he wont be planning any more atrocities. Are you not understanding the simple fact that we're at war with these ****ers ?
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And now he is a martyer who died for the cause... Probably more useful than he had been for he last number of years. If you believe he masterminded everything you are misinformed, did u read the rest of my post? If possible he should have been tried and convicted, the from the evidence on show there was nothing to show this was attempted. Not sorry he is gone but I doubt this done anything to end the war on terrorism.
 
fracster said:
It seems that some cannot grasp that rather simple fact Cedric.
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Oh don't be so patronising, I understand all too well what kind of war we are in. I understand that extremists won't be put off by Bin Laden's assination.
 
Donki said:
Oh don't be so patronising, I understand all too well what kind of war we are in. I understand that extremists won't be put off by Bin Laden's assination.
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but if you grasp the simple fact that its a war not a police action why talk about him being tried and convicted :bang:

tommies didnt go over the top in 1914 shouting " you have the right to remain silent, anything you say may be taken down in evidence and used against you"
 
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big soft moose said:
but if you grasp the simple fact that its a war not a police action why talk about him being tried and convicted :bang:

tommies didnt go over the top in 1914 shouting " you have the right to remain silent, anything you say may be taken down in evidence and used against you"
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Simply because what we are trying to do in Afghanistan and Iraq is bring democracy to them. We are not at war with a country here like in WW1 or WW2 we are at war with an idea, it can't be won in this way if at all. The way the whole operation was carried out seems careless. One question, do you think his assassination will deter any further attacks?
 
Afghanistan and Iraq are two seperate wars with two seperate aims. :)
 
Donki said:
do you think his assassination will deter any further attacks?
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no, in the same way that i dont think that taking out Hitler in 1942 would have ended WW2 , but that doesnt mean it wouldnt have been a good idea.

and we arent at war with an idea - we are at war with the people who espouse it - in that respect its very similar to WW2 - our problem then wast with the german people but with the Nazis
 
Marcel said:
Afghanistan and Iraq are two seperate wars with two seperate aims. :)
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Iraq was to defeat Sadam and bring democracy, Afganastan is the hope of defeating the talaban and installing a stable government? Where is the real difference?
 
big soft moose said:
no, in the same way that i dont think that taking out Hitler in 1942 would have ended WW2 , but that doesnt mean it wouldnt have been a good idea.

and we arent at war with an idea - we are at war with the people who espouse it - in that respect its very similar to WW2 - our problem then wast with the german people but with the Nazis
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But it was seen as a German army with a German leader, Al Qaeda have members from many different countries including our own much different tactics are required whether we like it or not. It's an ideology which they aspire too.
 
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On whose mandate? I don't recall either country asking us to do that......
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I agree with you, we shouldn't be there please u don't start on me too lol. :(
 
Donki said:
Simply because what we are trying to do in Afghanistan and Iraq is bring democracy to them. We are not at war with a country here like in WW1 or WW2 we are at war with an idea, it can't be won in this way if at all. The way the whole operation was carried out seems careless. One question, do you think his assassination will deter any further attacks?
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I don't think I've ever heard of such an accurate, swift, devastating and successful operation. The correct building identified, then targeted at night, in a foreign country with the threat of a possible hostile response. Four deaths including him, one helicopter lost. All allies out safely.

Remains dumped in the sea before the world knew. I call that a result.:clap:

Would his assassination deter further attacks? No I think it will increase them but is doing nothing the better option?

Would his capture have had lead to lesser attacks? These degenerates are going to attack anyone that doesn't follow their beliefs whether he is directing them or not. The fewer of them left wandering the Earth the better for all humanity.
 
Donki said:
But it was seen as a German army with a German leader, Al Qaeda have members from many different countries including our own much different tactics are required whether we like it or not. It's an ideology which they aspire too.
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rather like Oswald Mosely, Quisling, and Petain (and numerous others from suposedly allied countries) aspired to Nazism, or for that matter like Philby, Blunt, Blake, Maclean etc aspired to communism during the cold war

Of course you are correct that different tactics apply to fighting different kinds of wars - but killing the leaders of your enemy when you get the chance is a proven millitary tactic - yes it does run the risk of making them a martyr, but martyrs accross history have one thing in common....... they are all dead
 
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I don't think I've ever heard of such an accurate, swift, devastating and successful operation. The correct building identified, then targeted at night, in a foreign country with the threat of a possible hostile response. Four deaths including him, one helicopter lost. All allies out safely.

Remains dumped in the sea before the world knew. I call that a result.:clap:

Would his assassination deter further attacks? No I think it will increase them but is doing nothing the better option?

Would his capture have had lead to lesser attacks? These degenerates are going to attack anyone that doesn't follow their beliefs whether he is directing them or not. The fewer of them left wandering the Earth the better for all humanity.
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Ok, I didnt mean the operation, it couldnt have gone more according to the plan. Apologies I meant the way it has been handled after it.

And no I never said doing nothing would be a better option, this is why I hate posting on such topics cause everything gets twisted. An extraction and held in confinment in somewhere he dispised and the death penalty would have been an option, maybe still a martyr but justice the way we try and portray it.
 
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big soft moose said:
rather like Oswald Mosely, Quisling, and Petain (and numerous others from suposedly allied countries) aspired to Nazism, or for that matter like Philby, Blunt, Blake, Maclean etc aspired to communism during the cold war

Of course you are correct that different tactics apply to fighting different kinds of wars - but killing the leaders of your enemy when you get the chance is a proven millitary tactic - yes it does run the risk of making them a martyr, but martyrs accross history have one thing in common....... they are all dead
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True and I totally see your point. I dont want to keep this going cause I am heading out on the rip! Al Qaeda has many heads, more than we are aware I suspect, there are to many cells operation for one man to oversee. Bin Laden has been singled out by our media/government as the main man, if he has been in his compound for 2 - 3 years with no phone or data line how much could he have done? Am I sorry he is dead b****r no, I just fear for the reprocusions.
 
Donki said:
Ok, I didnt mean the operation, it couldnt have gone more according to the plan. Apologies I meant the way it has been handled after it.

And no I never said doing nothing would be a better option, this is why I hate posting on such topics cause everything gets twisted. An extraction and held in confinment in somewhere he dispised and the death penalty would have been an option, maybe still a martyr but justice the way we try and portray it.
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Yeah thats true Ian...It wasn't a 'get at you' post, sorry if it read that way.:thumbs:
 
Donki said:
Oh don't be so patronising, I understand all too well what kind of war we are in. I understand that extremists won't be put off by Bin Laden's assination.
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Really? How have you been involved in understanding murdering scum?

I await your answer with glee.
 
I get what donki is saying, killing obl hadn't really achieved anything in the sense that he probably has not been running things for many years so is/was not an immediate threat as a person.

Dead or alive I don't think it matters he'll always be a figure head for some. Unfortunately.
 
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Seriously though, what does a man who just killed the most famously hated and wanted man on the planet do after he pulls the trigger? fly home, get debriefed, shake hands with the president and then have a mcdonalds? surely the boys are paying his round of drinks for a long time to come and the most frustrating thing is he cant tell anyone he is the man that killed osama bin laden. not that anyone would believe him even if he did.
 
Donki said:
IMO Bin Laden has not been able to commuicate effectively for sometime due to the huge bounty on his head...
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The whole thing has been a marathon, you'd have to be a real flake or have been living on mars or somewhere else in the galaxy to have missed this story, it's been the size of a double decker in all the red tops and some revel in it. It'll be a real treat when the story fades and we get our teeth into the next crunchy story / issue.
 
I quite agree with #270, but Obama Osama has certainly been a Thornton's in America's side. A shame he wasn't hauled out by his Curly-Wurlies and hit with a Club (or a Penguin). He seems to have been a bit of a Drifter and a Fruit & Nut case. The Texan didn't get him in the end. I've heard a Wispa that Obama did a Twirl of joy, but that might've been a Yorkie.
 
photon said:
I quite agree with #270, but Obama Osama has certainly been a Thornton's in America's side. A shame he wasn't hauled out by his Curly-Wurlies and hit with a Club (or a Penguin). He seems to have been a bit of a Drifter and a Fruit & Nut case. The Texan didn't get him in the end. I've heard a Wispa that Obama did a Twirl of joy, but that might've been a Yorkie.
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You're a Flake....
 
You're no Smartie: Flake was already used in #270. Anyway, what's your Spangle on the story?
 
It's an interesting Topic, but it's Time Out for me. :wave:
 
If they haven't killed him they should give him a full blown sex change then send him back to Afghanistan to live out the rest of his life as a woman under the Taliban government"...;)
 
ziggy©;3654169 said:
Yes a statement was released on an Internet forum. :lol:
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String said:
And that's funny because?
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I guess because we all know how notoriously accurate internet forums
are for giving information :shrug: ;)
 
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