Bin laden dead

I have no personal proof of that either way.
Neither do I care, either way.

The death of the head of any organisation doesn't signal the demise of
said organisation. Thats all.
 
archamedes said:
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Seriously though, what does a man who just killed the most famously hated and wanted man on the planet do after he pulls the trigger? fly home, get debriefed, shake hands with the president and then have a mcdonalds? surely the boys are paying his round of drinks for a long time to come and the most frustrating thing is he cant tell anyone he is the man that killed osama bin laden. not that anyone would believe him even if he did.
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The SEALS are a special type of soldier. Just like our special services. Their mentality is probably that of any other good soldier, country first. I doubt the temptation to tell anyone is an issue. These guys and girls are basically machines and proper professionals and probably have a pretty solid mental state.
 
KayJay said:
The SEALS are a special type of soldier. Just like our special services.
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So "special" that when they went to save Linda Norgrove in Afghanistan one of their number lobbed a grenade into the room she was in, killing her instantly :thumbs:
 
archamedes said:
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Seriously though, what does a man who just killed the most famously hated and wanted man on the planet do after he pulls the trigger? fly home, get debriefed, shake hands with the president and then have a mcdonalds? surely the boys are paying his round of drinks for a long time to come and the most frustrating thing is he cant tell anyone he is the man that killed osama bin laden. not that anyone would believe him even if he did.
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One man pulled the trigger but a whole team were involved in the mission.
 
Remember, there is no "I" in "Team America".

Anyway, didn't Chuck Norris get there first? Alone.
 
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Yup! real skill involved in shooting an unarmed man...... Cost a few million $'s too!
 
Splog said:
Yup! real skill involved in shooting an unarmed man...... Cost a few million $'s too!
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Same as the skill it took to kill all those unarmed people in the twin towers and london, except that at least the SEALs were there to do the job
 
Gremlin said:
Same as the skill it took to kill all those unarmed people in the twin towers and london, except that at least the SEALs were there to do the job
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Playing Devil's Advocate here, but it could be argued that the 9/11 terrorists were just doing their job as well......
 
Probably didn't word that very well by being there to do the job I meant they were there unlike Bin laden who sent others to do it for him and their victims were innocent people who just happened to have the misfortune to be there at the time.
But I can see where you are coming from
 
Gremlin said:
Probably didn't word that very well by being there to do the job I meant they were there unlike Bin laden who sent others to do it for him and their victims were innocent people who just happened to have the misfortune to be there at the time.
But I can see where you are coming from
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Mmmmm! Not much different to the 650,000 dead Iraqi's and several thousand troops uk and usa killed
Since? sent by Bush and Blair
 
ziggy©;3655654 said:
One man pulled the trigger but a whole team were involved in the mission.
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still not the same as actually being the man who pulls the trigger. You can have a whole bunch of race car drivers in the grand prix, but only one can win it.
 
Flash In The Pan said:
So "special" that when they went to save Linda Norgrove in Afghanistan one of their number lobbed a grenade into the room she was in, killing her instantly :thumbs:
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These things will happen mate,it is easy to expect perfect results under far from perfect circumstances.
people have to do the best they can ,just like not quite getting that detail right on a snapshot that you had only a moment to capture.
Special people cant use post editing software to alter reality...shame realy,but there you go.:)
 
geoff0795 said:
These things will happen mate,it is easy to expect perfect results under far from perfect circumstances.
people have to do the best they can ,just like not quite getting that detail right on a snapshot that you had only a moment to capture.
Special people cant use post editing software to alter reality...shame realy,but there you go.:)
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Fair point, but these are meant to be the best-of-the-best, killing the person you're there to rescue is a bit more than not attaining "perfect results under far from perfect circumstances" it's a total **** up, in anybody's book....
 
Flash In The Pan said:
Fair point, but these are meant to be the best-of-the-best, killing the person you're there to rescue is a bit more than not attaining "perfect results under far from perfect circumstances" it's a total **** up, in anybody's book....
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Well I can see you're a proper expert, knowing so much more than these guys.

Don't tell me, you were one of the blokes on the balcony at the embassy......
 
String said:
Well I can see you're a proper expert, knowing so much more than these guys.

Don't tell me, you were one of the blokes on the balcony at the embassy......
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Yeah, call me "Barry" :D

Seriously though, I don't need to be an "expert" to know that if you go in to rescue a hostage and then proceed to lob a grenade into the room said hostage is in without first locating them and by doing so cause their death that you're not really doing your job properly.....
 
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String said:
Well I can see you're a proper expert, knowing so much more than these guys.

Don't tell me, you were one of the blokes on the balcony at the embassy......
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Your point is.........?
 
I don't see it a total F up...it was an atempt to achieve a result under orders,and to make the best of a bad situation,under these situations the intention will not always provide the desired results,but better the devil you know...
 
geoff0795 said:
I don't see it a total F up...it was an atempt to achieve a result under orders,and to make the best of a bad situation,under these situations the intention will not always provide the desired results,but better the devil you know...
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You mean it's better to be killed by the "good guys" than the baddies?

I hate to break this to you, but dead is dead ;)
 
Splog said:
Yup! real skill involved in shooting an unarmed man...... Cost a few million $'s too!
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That is the way of our society,having a dump costs each of us more than it does for some folk to live for a day in real terms...but the boys who entered the complex knew not what they might find regarding resistance to there designated task.
They were tasked to do it,they would make sure that they achieved that,and at least risk to themselves.
It has been shown that these lads can & will take on heavy opposition,
Regarding skill,I would not doubt it in reality,nasty topic,but they can get to a place to make holes in the intended target quite frequently!
 
Flash In The Pan said:
You mean it's better to be killed by the "good guys" than the baddies?

I hate to break this to you, but dead is dead ;)
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That is not quite what I was trying to put across,more that my opinion is that if one were to find oneself in a very dead end situation,then a rescue attempt might be percieved as the better option.
Good guys & baddies....different perspectives.

I agree entirely with you regarding your last sentance,I have seen this first hand only once or twice in the the work that I do,(climbing for a living),and It most certainly has a profound effect!:)
 
geoff0795 said:
That is not quite what I was trying to put across,more that my opinion is that if one were to find oneself in a very dead end situation,then a rescue attempt might be percieved as the better option.
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Without a doubt, but if those sent to rescue you kill you in the process perception doesn't really come into it. Regardless of what they portray in the movies, the Americans aren't really renowned for being experts at such things.

Things like that are really better left to our boys....
 
I'm sure I read that the guy who lobbed the grenande apparently had a habbit of doing it many times before on missions. That's the part I am angry about, he shouldn't be on operations.
 
They do cross train,very emotive topic realy is it not?
They all do the very best they can,& who am I to contradict you regards our lads,they do all deserve respect for the sometimes thankless tasks that they are presented with,we know not the half of it.
On this subject I respect anyone who has skills that they use,knowing that they are positioning themselves potentialy in harms way,in an attempt to help out those in dire circumstances,no matter their political/geographic origin.
 
Splog said:
Mmmmm! Not much different to the 650,000 dead Iraqi's and several thousand troops uk and usa killed Since? sent by Bush and Blair
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You're reallly not getting my point are you. Those killed in the 9/11 attacks and in London were not troops and they were not living in a war zone, they were innocent people going about their everyday lives.
Those that caused their deaths weren't paid to do it they most likely volunteered so they could become martyrs. Yes they too are dead but that was their choice
 
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Flash In The Pan said:
Yeah, call me "Barry" :D

Seriously though, I don't need to be an "expert" to know that if you go in to rescue a hostage and then proceed to lob a grenade into the room said hostage is in without first locating them and by doing so cause their death that you're not really doing your job properly.....
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In truth you don't know anything. You weren't there, you don't know anyone that was there. You read a newspaper and suddenly you turn into your very own stormtrooper.

Wannabe
 
String said:
In truth you don't know anything. You weren't there, you don't know anyone that was there. You read a newspaper and suddenly you turn into your very own stormtrooper.

Wannabe
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I know the "facts" as stated by the Americans themselves - they went to rescue Norgrove and the result was that it was one of their people that killed her.

I fail to see how making that observation makes me a "stormtrooper" or a "wannabee".
 
Flash In The Pan said:
I know the "facts" as stated by the Americans themselves - they went to rescue Norgrove and the result was that it was one of their people that killed her.

I fail to see how making that observation makes me a "stormtrooper" or a "wannabee".
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Then you should also be very well aware that a subsequent inquiry completely exhonorated the soldier from blame.

As far as I'm concerned you are just trolling here, bigging yourself up
 
Gremlin said:
Those killed in the 9/11 attacks and in London were not troops and they were not living in a war zone, they were innocent people going about their everyday lives.
Those that caused their deaths weren't paid to do it they most likely volunteered so they could become martyrs. Yes they too are dead but that was their choice
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So living in a war zone makes you less innocent than the people in the twin towers or London on 7/7? sorry but we must have killed just as many innocent people in foreign countries as "terrorists" have killed over here....cant see how that makes us any better than them. Our soldiers are paid too and going on other threads about glorifying whoever killed Bin Laden I really am struggling to see the difference anymore.

Again just a personal opinion and one I have stopped myself from posting many times before, but as we are on the topic and seem to be, in the post part, actually having a sensible discussion for once....why not join in :)
 
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