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. . . as things look set to become very stormy as we go into the weekend and for the whole of next week.
It isn't so much the large-looking "deep" low pressure currently sitting to the north west of the UK that is the main issue but I'm keeping an eye on a very powerful jet stream screaming in from the Altantic at 200 mph (I'm talking about what goes on in the upper atmosphere). It is that which will be responsible for producing small but powerful secondary low pressure systems, called "bomb" depressions.
A "Jet Stream" is the result of an interaction of cold polar air and warm tropic air that takes place high up in the atmosphere, sometimes it may be weak and allows high pressure to form quite easily (such as what happened in the first two weeks of January) and sometimes it may spark into action, such as what it will do in the next 7 to 9 days. And then this jet stream may want to position itself to the south of the UK and we would be in the cold side of it.
A "Bomb" depression is a name us amateur meteorologists give for small secondary depressions that suddenly deepens at a very rapid rate as it zips over the UK over a short space of time and then disappears just as quickly. The problem with them is that they do form very quickly and in the time it takes for the media to point it out to the general public, it's already doing the business as it moves over the country.
The famous Burn's Day storm of Jan 25th 1990 where winds gusted up to 100 mph along the southern coast of the UK is the result of a "bomb" depression. It was picked up by the met office 12 hours prior to it's arrival so warnings had to be issued very quickly and hoped that the general public would pick up on it in time.
So, what does it means in terms of weather forecasting?
Today and tomorrow, it's the western side of the UK that will see to windy conditions where winds are likely to gust up to 40 mph.
Then as we go into the weekend and for next week, it's a real case of watching the forecast hour by hour and if you see what looks like a small secondary low pressure with lots of isobars tightly wrapped around it and forming close to the south west of the UK, chances are that it'll be one of those more vigorous bomb depression packed with 80 mph + winds.
For further info and warnings, here's the met office's web site: www.metoffice.gov.uk
Indeed, it's time to batten down the hatches as the Atlantic stirs.
Incidentially, there could be a fair amount of snow over the highest ground of Northern England and over most Scottish hills over the next few days.
One last word before I sign off, I'm still going for a cold and wintry end to the last few days of January and first week of February as cold continential air comes back in over us, but that's a long way off. :)
 
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Fascinating stuff and much more interesting than the BBC!

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so you saying that the weather in england is going to be crap??
 
Fascinating stuff and much more interesting than the BBC!

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Thanks, and to be honest, anything is much more interesting than the awful BBC presentations using this "new" graphics. :D (I'm not at all a big fan of those blue blobs on their maps, bring back the old symbols and make more use of isobars, we're not THAT dumb!). And is it me or today's presenters have become much more annoying and louder?

so you saying that the weather in england is going to be crap??

In a nutshell . . . yep. :D

Very interesting - do you think the SE will get the wintry weather at the end of the month or is that too specific at the moment?

Thanks.
Actually, it's usually the South East and the east that gets it first as winds comes back in from the continent. But, yes, it is a long way off.
 
Hmm, London meets coming up...makes sense really! :D

Sods law in full effect, eh? But, still, always best to keep a weather eye on things.
 
:D Glad I've made your day. Like I said, it's more a warning rather than as an actual forecast but at least you'd be prepared for it. :)

I'd best go and tie the dog down then...and my pet Border Collie too :D
 
No, think of it as a way to plan your photographic outings - if you want stormy weather you now know when to expect the next lot :)

Should make for some great photography opporunity, if you can brave the gales and heavy rain/sleet!

I'd best go and tie the dog down then...and my pet Border Collie too :D

And probably find yourself plucking the cat off the roof of your house (if you do have a cat).

As an additional comment, if you click on the link (not allowed to show it as an actual image due to copyright issues), you can see what I mean: http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/brack1a.html
And there it is, it's predicting for a small and tightly wound-up low pressure system just off to the west of Ireland (it's "parent" low pressure is off to the south east of Greenland).
That's the makings of a small and very active "bomb" depression and I expect that to track eastwards, crossing the north of England and south of Scotland with the strongest wind to the southern side of it. I expect 60-plus mph gales and squally rain across Southern England out of that one during Sunday.
 
i love a good rain... means i dont get dragged out on a walk by my parents because "it will cure my kidney problems" lol
 
I used to pray for this weather when I was a wildfowler, the stormier the better.
 
Thanks Ian :thumbs:
You were pretty damned close last time so I guess
I had better super glue the cats paws to something solid ( don't try this at home folks :D)
 
Hmmm not good news Ian

Travelling down to London 2mrw night to spend the weekend shooting a chum's bike at various outdoor locations before he emigrates with it, and the last thing I could do with is a "bomb depression" over the weekend. :eek:

Might be time to really test the D3's ISO1600 capabilities (and my waterproofs !!!!!! )
 
Thanks for the update Michael Fish :D

Seriously though, sounds like a depressing time ahead :(
 
So I should sort those loose tiles tomorrow then?
 
So I should sort those loose tiles tomorrow then?

I would. My forecast is "still there", with everything looking set to fall into place as planned.
Tomorrow will be rather wet and blustery as a band of rain sweeps across the UK but that's not the worst of it.
Saturday is most likely to be the better day with more in the way of sunshine and a few scattered showers about. Rather on the cold side with a night frost.
Sunday is the real "killer" as that small but deep depression takes a short cut westwards across the central part of the UK with gale force winds to all parts. There'll also be heavy rain too. Snow will fall over Scottish high ground and even over the Pennines.
Monday and Tuesday looks set to remain very windy with frequent heavy sharp showers of rain, hail, sleet and snow sweeping westwards across the UK. There'll also be very brief sunny spells in between those showers, more especially to the more "sheltered" eastern side of the UK.
And it'll still remain on the cold side the whole time rather than the "mildness" that we would normally associate our more Atlantic-based weather with.
In other words, a very changeable outlook.
 
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I think Ian deserves a new user title : The weatherman!!!!!!

and on a more interested level, is this the same as we'v seen over the last couple of years in january? I remember a tree falling with 15 feet of me one afternoon!
 
I would. My forecast is "still there", with everything looking set to fall into place as planned.
Tomorrow will be rather wet and blustery as a band of rain sweeps across the UK but that's not the worst of it.
Saturday is most likely to be the better day with more in the way of sunshine and a few scattered showers about. Rather on the cold side with a night frost.
Sunday is the real "killer" as that small but deep depression takes a short cut westwards across the central part of the UK with gale force winds to all parts. There'll also be heavy rain too. Snow will fall over Scottish high ground and even over the Pennines.
Monday and Tuesday looks set to remain very windy with frequent heavy sharp showers of rain, hail, sleet and snow sweeping westwards across the UK. There'll also be very brief sunny spells in between those showers, more especially to the more "sheltered" eastern side of the UK.
And it'll still remain on the cold side the whole time rather than the "mildness" that we would normally associate our more Atlantic-based weather with.
In other words, a very changeable outlook.

Anything you can do to keep it away from Marwell Zoo on Sunday would be greatly appreciated!!!:thumbs:
 
So tomorrow will be a (relatively) decent day, Sunday when I am supposed to be working outside will be dire, Monday & Tuesday when I could have done with doing a trip out with the trailer will be pretty bad and certainly not trailer weather :bang: :bang:

Oh well, I may try getting some snow pics on the pennines instead!!
 
Ian how do you know all this staff? You must have a maaaaasssssive piece of seaweed. :D It's brilliant and much more sense than the BBC with 'clouds bubbling up' and 'rain with scattered showers'. Rain with scattered showers :shrug::shrug:



Thanks, and to be honest, anything is much more interesting than the awful BBC presentations using this "new" graphics. :D (I'm not at all a big fan of those blue blobs on their maps, bring back the old symbols and make more use of isobars, we're not THAT dumb!). And is it me or today's presenters have become much more annoying and louder?



I decided to ignore BBC weather reports after they made an executive decision to 'cancel' central southern England (yes - they DID!). We're not East, South East, or South West, so what are we supposed to do - take our pick of what we fancy/take an average/check out North East Scotland? It's so stupid - imho, of course. :)

Jean
 
We had a severe weather warning at work issued today for the weakend which are normally pretty spot on, very heavy winds and rain showers
 
Ian how do you know all this staff? You must have a maaaaasssssive piece of seaweed. :D It's brilliant and much more sense than the BBC with 'clouds bubbling up' and 'rain with scattered showers'. Rain with scattered showers :shrug::shrug:


I decided to ignore BBC weather reports after they made an executive decision to 'cancel' central southern England (yes - they DID!). We're not East, South East, or South West, so what are we supposed to do - take our pick of what we fancy/take an average/check out North East Scotland? It's so stupid - imho, of course. :)

Jean

If you listen to Radio 4 in the early mornings, 5.30ish, you would think the UK consisted of N. Ireland, Scotland and N. England, the SW sometimes gets a mention but the SE - does not seem to exist as far as they are concerned. As I do not listen to the radio during the day or watch much TV I started visiting the Met office site (they have some interesting weather warnings/advisories which certainly back up Ian's forecast).
 
Ian how do you know all this staff? You must have a maaaaasssssive piece of seaweed.


You should see the size of my bladderwrak. :eek:

Anyway, thought I'd do a fresh update.

Tomorrow (Saturday) is still set to be the more settled day where there should be more in the way of sunshine and less of this cloudy gunk we've had today. There will be a few showers about but most of them will die away as we go into the afternoon.

Then during the course of Saturday night, winds will start to strengthen, along with thickening cloud cover, thus heralding the arrival of a band of squally rain as it moves over the country from west to east.

Sunday: With a deep area of low pressure positioning itself over Scotland, Steady 30 to 40 mph west winds with 50 to 70 mph gusts are set to affect nearly all parts of the UK as we go through Sunday. I won't rule out the odd 80+ mph gust along exposed west and south-facing coastal areas.
And along with that wind, there will be frequent heavy and beefy showers of rain, hail, sleet and even snow over high ground.

Monday: Continued very windy (30 mph steady winds with up to 60 mph gusts) with further showers of rain, hail, sleet and snow showers scooting along in that wild westerly wind. Might even see the odd flash of lightning.
Accumulations of snow will occur over high ground (eg: The Chilterns, Pennines, Dartmoor, those kind of places) and a short spell of widespread snow over most areas in Scotland, even on low ground, looks set to occur. Possible 15 cms snow depths over high ground.

Tuesday: Winds are set to abate slightly but will still continue to be showery where some of them will contain snow. There'll also be some sunny spells, more especially in the afternoon. That should lead to a frosty night for many and a crisp frosty start to Wednesday morning.

At this point, it looks like another deepening depression wants to form out in the Atlantic and that, too, has our name on it.
So it looks like things will continue to be wet, wild and windy as we go into the second half of the working week.


Just want to say thanks for your interest and putting up with me on this one! :)
 
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If you listen to Radio 4 in the early mornings, 5.30ish, you would think the UK consisted of N. Ireland, Scotland and N. England, the SW sometimes gets a mention but the SE - does not seem to exist as far as they are concerned. As I do not listen to the radio during the day or watch much TV I started visiting the Met office site (they have some interesting weather warnings/advisories which certainly back up Ian's forecast).

Perhaps we should do our own for SE and Central Southern, Kerioak. Saturday, 17 January: Heavy low cloud intermittent rain, gusty high winds, currently south westerly, temperture 7 degrees Celsius, but warmer insdoors with heating on. :lol:

You should see the size of my bladderwrak. :eek:

Ian - I thought you'd never offer. :naughty:

Thanks for the warning for south-facing coastal areas, we are indeed a forgotten land to the Weather gods of the BBC. I look forward to 'beefy showers' they sound great.

So - I can have a lie in every day until Wednesday because the weather will be rubbish for togging. This IS the kind of information we need, Ian. Thanks :D I think you should be the official TP guide to weather for photographers all over the country. Petition starts here!

:):)

Jean
 
Seeing a lot of encouraging posts in here! :) Thanks for all your support and showing an interest in this.

Incidentially, the effects of that deepening Atlantic depression is already being felt over and just off Southern Ireland right now where a gust of 74 mph had just been reported over there.
The rest of the UK won't feel the full effects of that depression system until early tomorrow morning onwards. Expect heavy rain to all parts tonight, though, so make the most of this spot of nice weather we've got (or at least I have!).

Hang onto your hats, it's on it's way. :eek:

If you like, you're most welcome to post any storm-related pictures in here if you're too shy to dedicate a whole thread to it. Bearing in mind that this spell of rough and wild weather will coincide with spring tides (very low and high tides).
 
ian keeps weather loaches too so he can see when the weather is going to change :P
 
ian keeps weather loaches too so he can see when the weather is going to change :P

Naaa, my cat does a good job as it is. I can tell when a storm is on the way when he walks around the house with his tail ramrod straight upwards (no kinky bit on the end). :geek:
 
well if you have the time to follow your cat around the house :)
 
Just a bit of educational weather watching here, this satellite image shows clearly the "monster" that is winding itself up to the western side of the UK.

http://www.woksat.info/etcra17m/ra17-msg-1200-uk.JPG

As you can see, most part of the UK is currently under clear skies.


Won't be for much longer though . . .
 
Latest update: 102 mph gust reported at Belmullet.
Power down in Belfast Lough.
Mean wind speed of 70 mph (that's average constant wind speed) now affecting parts of Ireland.
 
ian whats your cats bum telling you about blackpool and poultons weather and when is it gonna hit coz im off out tonight. will i need a coat?
 
ian whats your cats bum telling you about blackpool and poultons weather and when is it gonna hit coz im off out tonight. will i need a coat?


He's fast asleep under a radiator at the moment, but I have a feeling you'll want to tie some lead wieghts to your legs, never mind a coat. That's to stop you from being blown over the seafront promenade. :)
The western side of the UK should start to feel it as we go later on into the evening, then the rest of the country will be affected by early tomorrow morning onwards.
By then winds won't be as strong as what is it being like over Ireland right now, but still expect 80+ mph gusts. Oh and lots of precipitation, be it in the form of rain, sleet, hail and snow.
 
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