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I read about this on the Metro earlier today

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-21517034

Who would own the copyright to the art work. The artist or the owner of the wall it was painted on?

My guess is the artist will own the copyright but can the building owner remove it and sell it as he owns the building/wall :shrug:
 
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Interesting. I was wondering the same.

I don't suppose Banksy cares though. It's more publicity for him.
 
As its strictly not "art" its graffiti, which is a form vandalism - regardless of how good it looks or how famous the vandal is.

Can you imagine someone tagging a wall with a penis, then claiming copyright when it got removed? or moaning when their name is removed from the glass of a bus? the same applies here.
 
Don't care just find him and stick him in prison for criminal damage.:clap::bat:
 
Presumably depends on whether it was condoned in advance by the wall owner or not? Although you can criminally damage your own property.
 
Saddens me to think that art that has been produced to be seen in the open by the public has been removed to line someone else's pocket. Leaves a bitter taste that it couldn't have just been left there to be enjoyed by all.
 
Don't care just find him and stick him in prison for criminal damage.:clap::bat:

The Israelis considered doing that and decided against it.

Presumably depends on whether it was condoned in advance by the wall owner or not? Although you can criminally damage your own property.

The store manager seemed quite pleased it was there.

Saddens me to think that art that has been produced to be seen in the open by the public has been removed to line someone else's pocket. Leaves a bitter taste that it couldn't have just been left there to be enjoyed by all.

Quite. Although I sort of see why some people think all graffiti is vandalism. I don't.
 
Don't care just find him and stick him in prison for criminal damage.:clap::bat:

Why?

Edit: I may have misread that. Who do you want locked up?

The store manager seemed quite pleased it was there.

Says they don't own the building though.

I guess the owner/s have had it removed and decided to cash in, and realise not many people will be happy with them doing so, so have an anonymity agreement. Bit lame really.
 
Is it just me that looks at Banksy's work and wonders what all the fuss is about? :(
 
I actually really like most of Banksy's stuff. :)

I suppose the ownership thing, and the right to sell, comes down to the ownership of the material upon which it's produced. In this case, the owner of the building owns the material component of the image, and so therefore owns the right to dispose of that material as s/he sees fit. No painter/decorator was ever able to assume ownership of any part of your house simply because s/he worked their craft on it. By (arguably) defacing your property, Banksy can make no claim of ownership over it. It's his "gift" to you, effectively.

If you buy an original painting, you own the painting materially. You can sell the painting to whomever you want. Having surrendered the painting to you, unless you're contractually obligated to own it for n years (like Ferrari sometimes contractually obligate buyers of their cars), you can sell it any time you want.
 
Banksy owns the Copyright but the owners of the building own the physical picture, in the same way as a photographer owns the coptright but might sell a print.

I'm another (incidentally) who believes that unsolicited graffiti is (however good) vandalism and/or criminal damage. Some of it is not unattractive but if Banksy's work is legalised, anyone who can write **** on a wall's work must be equally legal.
 
Yes, but Property Ownership and Intellectual Rights are not the same thing.

Artist makes a painting.... a photographer buys painting.... photographs painting and sells it to a Banker.. he then sells the photograph of the painting to a post-card company.

Who should get the profit from sales of the post-cards? The Artist? The Banker? The Photographer or the printer?

Banker owns the original painting, it is his property to do with as he wishes. He does not, however, necessarily own the 'copy-right', nor intellectual rights.

The Artist, unless they made it an exclusion of the contract of sale of the painting, would retain intellectual rights... he could, in theory paint the same picture again, and sell that as well.

He would also, unless exclusion of sale of contract, retain the copy-right. By which he could photograph the original work, and make and sell prints from it.

Or at least as far as I understand it... its a complicated area of law, especially internationally; and more so as far as photography goes; especially if you start chucking in trade mark law!

Who owns the copy-write to THIS photo of the Banky mural?
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Technically the 'Artist' who created the original image, owns copy-right; fact that its in a public place and may be photographed by any-one, and that a photographer owns copy-right of their photographs does NOT transfer copy-right to them... the original image was created by Banksy, hence they own the Copy-Right and any-one wishing to copy it, technically needs their permission to do so.

Fact that the original artwork is displayed in a public place, and may be viewed or photographed by any one, does not mean that copy-right has been 'waved'. (though there are exceptions, which is where it can get complicated)

Coke-a-Cola commission an advertising poster.... they display it on a placard, you go photograph it, because its in a public place The Coke-a-cola corporation still own copy-right.

You take a photograph of the street, in which the Coke-a-Cola hoarding is displayed, such that it may be deemed 'incidental' to your composition, even though it may be a prominant feature; if its not the sole or significant element (you couldn't claim the frame round the hoarding for example to make it a photo NOT of just the poster!) then the copy-right of YOUR photo-belongs to you, and you may do as you wish..... provided its use, and its inclusion of the Coke-a-Cola trade mark isn;t detrimental to their business!... like I said it can get complicated under the various bits of relevent law!

Which, I am lead to believe is as much of an acquired skill to the press photographer as knowing thier f-stops!
 
Is it just me that looks at Banksy's work and wonders what all the fuss is about? :(

Some of it is quite funny (the boy ready to pop the paper bag behind the armed police officer {Bristol} and the man hanging from the bedroom window on the wall of a sexual health clinic {Bristol}) and some is quite 'topical' (One Nation Under CCTV {London}).

Anyway makes a change from the truly awful stuff that covers so many city areas.
 
Saddens me to think that art that has been produced to be seen in the open by the public has been removed to line someone else's pocket. Leaves a bitter taste that it couldn't have just been left there to be enjoyed by all.

While i agree with the mood of the post, if 'banksy' did a mural on the side of my house, and i discovered i could pay off the mortgage by selling it, it wouldn't last too long.....
 
So, begs the question; if you woke up to find one on the side of your house and it's worth a cool quarter of a million, would you flog it? It would be tempting!
 
So, begs the question; if you woke up to find one on the side of your house and it's worth a cool quarter of a million, would you flog it? It would be tempting!

Would be gone in the blink of an eye with a clean conscience! And this is from somebody who quite likes his work...
 
Yes, but Property Ownership and Intellectual Rights are not the same thing.

Artist makes a painting.... a photographer buys painting.... photographs painting and sells it to a Banker.. he then sells the photograph of the painting to a post-card company.

Breach of copyright by the photographer (unless such use was stipulated in the sale agreement).
Who should get the profit from sales of the post-cards? The Artist? The Banker? The Photographer or the printer?

Check the sale agreement!

Banker owns the original painting, it is his property to do with as he wishes. He does not, however, necessarily own the 'copy-right', nor intellectual rights.

The Artist, unless they made it an exclusion of the contract of sale of the painting, would retain intellectual rights... he could, in theory paint the same picture again, and sell that as well.

Like the Dutch Dauber did with the Sunflowers. (Although I'm not sure he sold many!)

He would also, unless exclusion of sale of contract, retain the copy-right. By which he could photograph the original work, and make and sell prints from it.

Or at least as far as I understand it... its a complicated area of law, especially internationally; and more so as far as photography goes; especially if you start chucking in trade mark law!

Who owns the copy-write to THIS photo of the Banky mural?
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Technically the 'Artist' who created the original image, owns copy-right; fact that its in a public place and may be photographed by any-one, and that a photographer owns copy-right of their photographs does NOT transfer copy-right to them... the original image was created by Banksy, hence they own the Copy-Right and any-one wishing to copy it, technically needs their permission to do so.

Technically, that photograph is a copyright breach since the only subject is the "artwork".

Fact that the original artwork is displayed in a public place, and may be viewed or photographed by any one, does not mean that copy-right has been 'waved'. (though there are exceptions, which is where it can get complicated)

Coke-a-Cola commission an advertising poster.... they display it on a placard, you go photograph it, because its in a public place The Coke-a-cola corporation still own copy-right.

You take a photograph of the street, in which the Coke-a-Cola hoarding is displayed, such that it may be deemed 'incidental' to your composition, even though it may be a prominant feature; if its not the sole or significant element (you couldn't claim the frame round the hoarding for example to make it a photo NOT of just the poster!) then the copy-right of YOUR photo-belongs to you, and you may do as you wish..... provided its use, and its inclusion of the Coke-a-Cola trade mark isn;t detrimental to their business!... like I said it can get complicated under the various bits of relevent law!

I suppose that technically, Banksy can't sell his street work since it would be seen as profiting from an illegal act!

Which, I am lead to believe is as much of an acquired skill to the press photographer as knowing thier f-stops!
 
ziggy©;5382733 said:
I read about this on the Metro earlier today

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-21517034

Who would own the copyright to the art work. The artist or the owner of the wall it was painted on?

My guess is the artist will own the copyright but can the building owner remove it and sell it as he owns the building/wall :shrug:

Yes. Ownership of copyright has no bearing on the artifact.

If I sell you a portrait of your Mum for £50 and then your mum gets famous, signs the mount and you sell it on for £5000, you're free to do so - it's the print you're selling (which belongs to you).

However she can't knock off 100 copies of the print, because the copyright of image belongs to me. If she wanted to sell copies of it, she'd have to get a license to do so from me.

Basically copyright has no bearing on the story (which is why it wasn't mentioned in the article). What's being sold is the artifact, not the image (which Banksy may have difficulty proving ownership of given the usual arguments about vandalism etc.) but irrelevant anyway.
 
As its strictly not "art" its graffiti, which is a form vandalism - regardless of how good it looks or how famous the vandal is.

Can you imagine someone tagging a wall with a penis, then claiming copyright when it got removed? or moaning when their name is removed from the glass of a bus? the same applies here.

Just because it is not in an art gallery does not mean it is not art.

Would you call grafitti shown in an art gallery art? :)
 
Saddens me to think that art that has been produced to be seen in the open by the public has been removed to line someone else's pocket.

Yes but if it is produced on someone's property without their permission surely the owner of the property has every right to do whatever they want with it.
 
Yes, but Property Ownership and Intellectual Rights are not the same thing.

Artist makes a painting.... a photographer buys painting.... photographs painting and sells it to a Banker.. he then sells the photograph of the painting to a post-card company.

Who should get the profit from sales of the post-cards? The Artist? The Banker? The Photographer or the printer?

Banker owns the original painting, it is his property to do with as he wishes. He does not, however, necessarily own the 'copy-right', nor intellectual rights.

The Artist, unless they made it an exclusion of the contract of sale of the painting, would retain intellectual rights... he could, in theory paint the same picture again, and sell that as well.

He would also, unless exclusion of sale of contract, retain the copy-right. By which he could photograph the original work, and make and sell prints from it.

Or at least as far as I understand it... its a complicated area of law, especially internationally; and more so as far as photography goes; especially if you start chucking in trade mark law!

Who owns the copy-write to THIS photo of the Banky mural?
_65942573_65941485.jpg


Technically the 'Artist' who created the original image, owns copy-right; fact that its in a public place and may be photographed by any-one, and that a photographer owns copy-right of their photographs does NOT transfer copy-right to them... the original image was created by Banksy, hence they own the Copy-Right and any-one wishing to copy it, technically needs their permission to do so.

Fact that the original artwork is displayed in a public place, and may be viewed or photographed by any one, does not mean that copy-right has been 'waved'. (though there are exceptions, which is where it can get complicated)

Coke-a-Cola commission an advertising poster.... they display it on a placard, you go photograph it, because its in a public place The Coke-a-cola corporation still own copy-right.

You take a photograph of the street, in which the Coke-a-Cola hoarding is displayed, such that it may be deemed 'incidental' to your composition, even though it may be a prominant feature; if its not the sole or significant element (you couldn't claim the frame round the hoarding for example to make it a photo NOT of just the poster!) then the copy-right of YOUR photo-belongs to you, and you may do as you wish..... provided its use, and its inclusion of the Coke-a-Cola trade mark isn;t detrimental to their business!... like I said it can get complicated under the various bits of relevent law!

Which, I am lead to believe is as much of an acquired skill to the press photographer as knowing thier f-stops!

Ok i accept that the artist owns the copyright but since there is no contract between the two, couldn't the building owner sell his 'wall'?
 
I've seen nothing yet to confirm that it was the actual building owner that had it removed. It could be that some thieving scroat has just decided to nick a piece of wall. It does happen. :lol:
 
Yes, but Property Ownership and Intellectual Rights are not the same thing.

Artist makes a painting.... a photographer buys painting.... photographs painting and sells it to a Banker.. he then sells the photograph of the painting to a post-card company.

Who should get the profit from sales of the post-cards? The Artist? The Banker? The Photographer or the printer?

Banker owns the original painting, it is his property to do with as he wishes. He does not, however, necessarily own the 'copy-right', nor intellectual rights.

The Artist, unless they made it an exclusion of the contract of sale of the painting, would retain intellectual rights... he could, in theory paint the same picture again, and sell that as well.

He would also, unless exclusion of sale of contract, retain the copy-right. By which he could photograph the original work, and make and sell prints from it.

Or at least as far as I understand it... its a complicated area of law, especially internationally; and more so as far as photography goes; especially if you start chucking in trade mark law!

Who owns the copy-write to THIS photo of the Banky mural?
_65942573_65941485.jpg


Technically the 'Artist' who created the original image, owns copy-right; fact that its in a public place and may be photographed by any-one, and that a photographer owns copy-right of their photographs does NOT transfer copy-right to them... the original image was created by Banksy, hence they own the Copy-Right and any-one wishing to copy it, technically needs their permission to do so.

Fact that the original artwork is displayed in a public place, and may be viewed or photographed by any one, does not mean that copy-right has been 'waved'. (though there are exceptions, which is where it can get complicated)

Coke-a-Cola commission an advertising poster.... they display it on a placard, you go photograph it, because its in a public place The Coke-a-cola corporation still own copy-right.

You take a photograph of the street, in which the Coke-a-Cola hoarding is displayed, such that it may be deemed 'incidental' to your composition, even though it may be a prominant feature; if its not the sole or significant element (you couldn't claim the frame round the hoarding for example to make it a photo NOT of just the poster!) then the copy-right of YOUR photo-belongs to you, and you may do as you wish..... provided its use, and its inclusion of the Coke-a-Cola trade mark isn;t detrimental to their business!... like I said it can get complicated under the various bits of relevent law!

Which, I am lead to believe is as much of an acquired skill to the press photographer as knowing thier f-stops!
No-one's transferring any copyright, they're selling a work of art. It's an object that has no associated 'rights'.
 
ziggy©;5385101 said:
Ok i accept that the artist owns the copyright but since there is no contract between the two, couldn't the building owner sell his 'wall'?

Yes.

The artist will have the copyright but if he paints it on the side of someone's building then the building owner owns the material rights to the image.

i.e. if Banksy painted something on the side of my house, apart from the obvious problem of separating it from the rest of the house and delivering it, I could sell the wall with the image on to whoever I wanted to. If he wanted to keep it he should have painted it on his own wall.

I would also be free to destroy it with paint remover or by painting over it.


Steve.
 
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Is photographing some criminal damage grafitti any different to Crimewatch re-enacting any other crime?
 
as its illegal it would be somewhat difficult for banksy to sue a photographer for copyright breach as by doing so he'd have to identify himself and admit causing criminal damage
 
I really, really suspect Banksy doesn't care.

For anyone who hasn't, it's worth checking out his website here.

In particular, have a look at his shop.
 
Is photographing some criminal damage grafitti any different to Crimewatch re-enacting any other crime?

Yes...

We're talking copy-right of the image. Intelectual rights to that unique creation.

A re-enactment or 'pastiche'...finding another wall where you can legally paint something 'in the style of' a Banksy mural, and photographing that, is neither committing any crime, if Banksy commited one in the first place, nor is it 'copying' his actual intelectual work, it is merely 're-enactment' or 'pastiching', following the style of.

Hundreds of artists, and gazillions of photographers 'emulate' or 're-enact' images in the style of great 'masters'... the great masters in fact often pastiched or emulated thier mentors, learning thier craft to develop and form thier own style. Its perfectly acceptable..... provided they don't attempt to pass it off as the actual genuine work of the master... that's forgery!

You have to separate the variables here.

Bansky owns the intelectual rights to his artistic creation. That is a fundemental precept.

Yes, he MAY have committed an illegal act in producing his 'work'. In essence, 'criminal damage', and a low level of criminal damage at that, 'defacing' a wall.

Justice would suggest that you should not 'profit' by an illegal act. However, creating his ART was not an illegal act; using materials that were not his own, that he did not have permission to paint, was the illegal part.

Lets say, that an artist paints a picture on canvas in thier own studio; but with oil paints and canvas shop-lifted from Hobby-Craft.....

Artist would still own the intellectual rights to THEIR work.... fact that they were created with illegally obtained materials does not change that. They would still own the copy-right.

Lets say, that materials, in Hobby-Craft were in total marked up to a value of £25. Painting then sells for £10,000 in an exhibition. Court could punish them for stealing canvas and paint; but within limits comensurate to the value of that canas and paint, not the painting produced with it.

This is 'justice'. If I had stolen the materials and made a painting from them... I'm not artist... I probably be lucky to get £1 for it in a car boot sale... its the same 'crime', and What would be the extend of punishment for shop-lifting and passing stolen goods? Court could NOT punish artist who flogs his painting created with £25 of stolen materials any more harshly, just because thier artistic imput making a master-piece out of those materials results in a work worth £10K insead of 10p!

Legal owner of stolen goods? Hobby-Craft. Artistic Thief is cought and punished. Like any shop-lifter; probably a fine and a bit of community service. A Punishment 'commensurate' with the crime. But what of the legal owner of the goods originally stolen. They are still their property.

Would Hobycraft 'own' either the £10K or 10p painting?

No. That was NOT stolen from them. What was stolen was the paint and canvas. Not the art-work.

Shop-Lifter, steals £30's worth of stake from Tesco's.... that stolen goods, soon as it is cooked and eaten no longer exists in the form stolen. In fact, once out of the chiller and degrading its NOT the goods stolen. So they would probably not want them back even if recovered, they would want 'compensation', to the value of their 'loss'.

So, our £10K painting and our 10p painting; neither may be deemed the property stolen; Hobycraft from who materials were stolen has NO claim to the artwork created from them, those materials in the form stolen no longer exist, they are entitled merely to compensation to the value of thier loss, NOT the value of resultant art-work created from them.

Back to Banksy.... Applying that legal reasoning then; Wall owner selling his art-work, AS art-Work, is selling an image that technically still belongs to Bansky.....

Except, that act of creating 'Graffiti', would imply that he is 'discarding' his art-work.... it's technically 'Rubbish'.

He has taken no precautions or made no provision, to enable him to retain the 'artifact' or to enable him to use, utilise or profit from that artifact in the future, creating it on a wall, in a public place.... hence he has 'thown it away'

Gold Ring; if it falls off my finger to be lost in the street; it is 'lost' property, it still belongs to me, even if discovered by some-one else. Legal, they have no claim or right to it, until they have exhausted all 'reasonable' measures to return it to legal owner. Ie handed it in to cop-shop and waited the month or whatever it is to see if its claimed.

However; lets say its a wedding ring; I'm just divorsed and I take it off and THROW it away, a deliberate act of disguardment, with NO intention of ever recovering that property. THEN any-one who finds that ring, as 'rubish' has claim to it.

Applying that legal reasoning then, would be implied that Banksy 'threw away' his intelectual rights, including copy-right, with the original image, as he took no precautions or meatures to claim or preserve them, before during or after the creation of the art-work.

Which would ultimately suggest the answer is NO-ONE owns the Copy-Right to the mural; mural itself is owned by the building owner.

Brings us back to the photo of the mural; and implication is that Mural is non copy-right material. Photographer owns copy-right to his photo, BUT any-one else taking photo of that mural would own copy-right to THEIR photo, even though it may be nie on identical to the other. Selling either would not be a copy-right infringement against either photographer, they only own copy-write to thier image, not its subject. Same as three photographers may take pretty much identical photo's of the same footballer at a football match and each sell them to different news-papers, without copy-right infringement.

But I'm no lawyer.
 
Going back to the original question. 'Who owns the copyright?'

Banksy, it's his artwork. all the other discussion about profiting from illegal activities, who owns the building etc is irrelevant to the question.

Banksy created the artwork it is his copyright.
 
Gold Ring; if it falls off my finger to be lost in the street; it is 'lost' property, it still belongs to me, even if discovered by some-one else. Legal, they have no claim or right to it, until they have exhausted all 'reasonable' measures to return it to legal owner. Ie handed it in to cop-shop and waited the month or whatever it is to see if its claimed.

However; lets say its a wedding ring; I'm just divorsed and I take it off and THROW it away, a deliberate act of disguardment, with NO intention of ever recovering that property. THEN any-one who finds that ring, as 'rubish' has claim to it.
No, you still own the wedding ring, even if you throw it away. If someone finds it, it's not their property until you expressly disavow it, either explicitly or by inaction in reclaiming it. You still own a car you walk away from, whether you lock it or leave the keys in the ignition.

Going back to the original question. 'Who owns the copyright?'

Banksy, it's his artwork. all the other discussion about profiting from illegal activities, who owns the building etc is irrelevant to the question.

Banksy created the artwork it is his copyright.
It's his copyright, but not his property.
 
Yes...

We're talking copy-right of the image. Intelectual rights to that unique creation.

A re-enactment or 'pastiche'...finding another wall where you can legally paint something 'in the style of' a Banksy mural, and photographing that, is neither committing any crime, if Banksy commited one in the first place, nor is it 'copying' his actual intelectual work, it is merely 're-enactment' or 'pastiching', following the style of.

Hundreds of artists, and gazillions of photographers 'emulate' or 're-enact' images in the style of great 'masters'... the great masters in fact often pastiched or emulated thier mentors, learning thier craft to develop and form thier own style. Its perfectly acceptable..... provided they don't attempt to pass it off as the actual genuine work of the master... that's forgery!

You have to separate the variables here.

Bansky owns the intelectual rights to his artistic creation. That is a fundemental precept.

Yes, he MAY have committed an illegal act in producing his 'work'. In essence, 'criminal damage', and a low level of criminal damage at that, 'defacing' a wall.

Justice would suggest that you should not 'profit' by an illegal act. However, creating his ART was not an illegal act; using materials that were not his own, that he did not have permission to paint, was the illegal part.

Lets say, that an artist paints a picture on canvas in thier own studio; but with oil paints and canvas shop-lifted from Hobby-Craft.....

Artist would still own the intellectual rights to THEIR work.... fact that they were created with illegally obtained materials does not change that. They would still own the copy-right.

Lets say, that materials, in Hobby-Craft were in total marked up to a value of £25. Painting then sells for £10,000 in an exhibition. Court could punish them for stealing canvas and paint; but within limits comensurate to the value of that canas and paint, not the painting produced with it.

This is 'justice'. If I had stolen the materials and made a painting from them... I'm not artist... I probably be lucky to get £1 for it in a car boot sale... its the same 'crime', and What would be the extend of punishment for shop-lifting and passing stolen goods? Court could NOT punish artist who flogs his painting created with £25 of stolen materials any more harshly, just because thier artistic imput making a master-piece out of those materials results in a work worth £10K insead of 10p!

Legal owner of stolen goods? Hobby-Craft. Artistic Thief is cought and punished. Like any shop-lifter; probably a fine and a bit of community service. A Punishment 'commensurate' with the crime. But what of the legal owner of the goods originally stolen. They are still their property.

Would Hobycraft 'own' either the £10K or 10p painting?

No. That was NOT stolen from them. What was stolen was the paint and canvas. Not the art-work.

Shop-Lifter, steals £30's worth of stake from Tesco's.... that stolen goods, soon as it is cooked and eaten no longer exists in the form stolen. In fact, once out of the chiller and degrading its NOT the goods stolen. So they would probably not want them back even if recovered, they would want 'compensation', to the value of their 'loss'.

So, our £10K painting and our 10p painting; neither may be deemed the property stolen; Hobycraft from who materials were stolen has NO claim to the artwork created from them, those materials in the form stolen no longer exist, they are entitled merely to compensation to the value of thier loss, NOT the value of resultant art-work created from them.

Back to Banksy.... Applying that legal reasoning then; Wall owner selling his art-work, AS art-Work, is selling an image that technically still belongs to Bansky.....

Except, that act of creating 'Graffiti', would imply that he is 'discarding' his art-work.... it's technically 'Rubbish'.

He has taken no precautions or made no provision, to enable him to retain the 'artifact' or to enable him to use, utilise or profit from that artifact in the future, creating it on a wall, in a public place.... hence he has 'thown it away'

Gold Ring; if it falls off my finger to be lost in the street; it is 'lost' property, it still belongs to me, even if discovered by some-one else. Legal, they have no claim or right to it, until they have exhausted all 'reasonable' measures to return it to legal owner. Ie handed it in to cop-shop and waited the month or whatever it is to see if its claimed.

However; lets say its a wedding ring; I'm just divorsed and I take it off and THROW it away, a deliberate act of disguardment, with NO intention of ever recovering that property. THEN any-one who finds that ring, as 'rubish' has claim to it.

Applying that legal reasoning then, would be implied that Banksy 'threw away' his intelectual rights, including copy-right, with the original image, as he took no precautions or meatures to claim or preserve them, before during or after the creation of the art-work.

Which would ultimately suggest the answer is NO-ONE owns the Copy-Right to the mural; mural itself is owned by the building owner.

Brings us back to the photo of the mural; and implication is that Mural is non copy-right material. Photographer owns copy-right to his photo, BUT any-one else taking photo of that mural would own copy-right to THEIR photo, even though it may be nie on identical to the other. Selling either would not be a copy-right infringement against either photographer, they only own copy-write to thier image, not its subject. Same as three photographers may take pretty much identical photo's of the same footballer at a football match and each sell them to different news-papers, without copy-right infringement.

But I'm no lawyer.

I hate to be the grammar police on this but FOR GOD's SAKE STOP HYPHENATING! :dummy:

Thankyou, and goodnight!
 
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