Baby girl killed in dog attack in Daventry

lizzy23 said:
http://www.pfma.org.uk/pet-population/
25% of all households own at least 1 dog in 2013, although due to the number of people that don't feed commercial pet food anymore I would suspect that it's actually more ,,,, but that's a whole other topoc
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I don't believe in these straw polls,
whether they prove what I think or otherwise.

You could ask everyone down my road
do you own a dog, and the answer would be about 2% would say yes.
And about the same for cats too.

I can't see them asking every single ( lets take dog food) manufacture for their sales figures,
and if they did, I would be surprised if they got a truthful answer,
After all like everything its a tough market and I'm sure they wouldn't like their competitors to know the truth ;)
 
My dog has left overs from the chicken carcass tonight together with carrots and green beans. And strawberry for desert. Yum yum. But won't show in the stats. Good thing we had run and cycle today.
 
dejongj said:
My dog has left overs from the chicken carcass tonight together with carrots and green beans. And strawberry for desert. Yum yum. But won't show in the stats. Good thing we had run and cycle today.
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And of course the "Purists" will say you are killing your dog with kindness" ;)

I would never feed my dog green beans.......................


It used to make her fart something terrible :D
 
Mine just get the carcas,,, raw, so never go near a bag of dog food,,,
 
Cobra said:
And of course the "Purists" will say you are killing your dog with kindness" ;)

I would never feed my dog green beans.......................


It used to make her fart something terrible :D
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I do feel guilty. We have him regularly weight. A healthy 29 kg.
 
Dog that killed the little girl has been identified as an American Pit Bull.
 
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arclight said:
Dog that killed the little girl has been identified as an American Pit Bull.
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I though so, there was a new article I was going to post from the Northants chronicle couple of days ago that suggested it was possibly a bull breed.
It also stated now that the baby was in her own home which means it's their dog and the grandma came over from Northampton and had only been there about half an hour when it happened
 
arclight said:
Dog that killed the little girl has been identified as an American Pit Bull.
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And there was me expecting it to be a Golden Lab :whistle:, much tougher controls should be put in place to control dog owners.
 
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Neil B said:
And there was me expecting it to be a Golden Lab :whistle:,
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;)

Neil B said:
much tougher controls should be put in place to control dog owners.
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TBH I thought they were on the "restricted" if not banned list.
I'm sure someone will jump in with the definitive answer soon :)
 
Cobra said:
;)


TBH I thought they were on the "restricted" if not banned list.
I'm sure someone will jump in with the definitive answer soon :)
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Would explain why they weren't giving much away when it happened
 
Or parents

May be we should havea licence system so that only those capable of being responsible parents are allowed to breed ;)
 
Cobra said:
;)


TBH I thought they were on the "restricted" if not banned list.
I'm sure someone will jump in with the definitive answer soon :)
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American Pit Bull is on the banned list.
 
Yes they're a banned breed in the UK
Granny could well be prosecuted.
 
viv1969 said:
Yes they're a banned breed in the UK
Granny could well be prosecuted.
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From what I gather it wasn't the grandmothers dog it was the parents dog, I'll find the link
 
Neil B said:
I did mean the "Owners" ;)
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Ah OK, Woooshhhh :D

arclight said:
American Pit Bull is on the banned list.
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Thought as much :thumbs:

viv1969 said:
Yes they're a banned breed in the UK
Granny could well be prosecuted.
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I suspected that it may have been a "banned breed" a few posts back,
hence my speculation (below)

Cobra said:
I would suspect reading between the lines, they suspect, that its an "illegal breed"
If proven then "someone" is liable for prosecution ;)
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viv1969 said:
Yes they're a banned breed in the UK
Granny could well be prosecuted.
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Seems to be on a par with the "driving whilst on a mobile" law, loads of "banned breeds" are still out there in the real world.
 
Neil B said:
Seems to be on a par with the "driving whilst on a mobile" law, loads of "banned breeds" are still out there in the real world.
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Well yes, but I was thinking more that the dog was illegally owned and resulted in the death of a child....
 
viv1969 said:
Well yes, but I was thinking more that the dog was illegally owned and resulted in the death of a child....
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:agree: my point was more towards the fact that making something illegal doesn't stop it happening.
 
Cobra said:
I suspected that it may have been a "banned breed" a few posts back,
hence my speculation (below)
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Apologies, I meant to quote you in my reply :-)
 
Cobra said:
There are certainly some sick people about :(
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And the problem with prohibitive laws whether its guns, knives, dog breeds or whatever is that it doesnt stop people of that type owning them
 
big soft moose said:
And the problem with prohibitive laws whether its guns, knives, dog breeds or whatever is that it doesnt stop people of that type owning them
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Absolutely agree, and the fact that some people will want to / go out of there way, just to own that "banned item" for the "prestige" too :(
 
Cobra said:
I'll forgive you this time, but don't let it happen again, OK?
:p :D
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:coat:

Cobra said:
Absolutely agree, and the fact that some people will want to / go out of there way, just to own that "banned item" for the "prestige" too :(
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And as such the penalties should be severe.
 
I would think that what has happened here is a serious crime, on a par with causing a death by dangerous driving.
There is a good reason why certain breeds of dog are banned, it is because they are dangerous. If someone somehow owns one of these dogs, then thay are breaking the law. The fact that the dog has killed someone shows that the owner has a reckless dosregard for life.
I would put the owner in prison for a long time.
 
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I would put the owner in prison for a long time.
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:agree: or in the case of the two scrotes who set a pitbul on a disabled girl, lock them in a room with a couple of starving timber wolves ;)
 
I wouldn't jail the owner, whilst the dog was illegal for sure, and that resulted in a death, they've suffered the worse punishment, the loss of a child though an act they didn't actually carry out, the dog did. The people should be banned from having further kids and owning animals.

It would do no good, but people with dogs/families/planning on having a family really need to take stock of these cases and think through what they get as a pet, how they safe gaurd about them.

In an ideal world, social services would have seen the dog out, and taken it away on learning theres a child in a house with it.
 
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ST4 said:
I wouldn't jail the owner, whilst the dog was illegal for sure, and that resulted in a death, they've suffered the worse punishment, the loss of a child though an act they didn't actually carry out, the dog did. The people should be banned from having further kids and owning animals.

It would do no good, but people with dogs/families/planning on having a family really need to take stock of these cases and think through what they get as a pet, how they safe gaurd about them.

In an ideal world, social services would have seen the dog out, and taken it away on learning theres a child in a house with it.
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They knowingly owned a banned breed of dog which then went on to kill a child. They themelves should be held accountable for a death which could have been prevented.
 
or more pertinently take it away on learning it was a banned breed, children or not.

most children are fine growing up in a house with a dog - we had first a boxer then an irish wolf hound when i was a littleun and I never came to any harm ... but a responsible parent trains the dog properly and doesnt leave the child alone with it (or the child in a room with the door open while the dog is at large in this case ) , nor do they keep a dog bred purely for fighting as a pet.

In this case they are morrally (and i'd say legally) responsible for the loss of the child because it was a direct result of their illegal act in owning a banned breed in the first place
 
ST4 said:
I wouldn't jail the owner, whilst the dog was illegal for sure, and that resulted in a death, they've suffered the worse punishment, the loss of a child though an act they didn't actually carry out, the dog did. The people should be banned from having further kids and owning animals.

It would do no good, but people with dogs/families/planning on having a family really need to take stock of these cases and think through what they get as a pet, how they safe gaurd about them.

In an ideal world, social services would have seen the dog out, and taken it away on learning theres a child in a house with it.
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Yes maybe they have suffered the worse punishment but at the same time they chose to have an illegal dog, there is a big difference to having a cute family pet with children than knowingly have an illegal and dangerous dog with children.

I am surprised that nobody around in that estate knew it was illegal and didn't report it, or even report it even if they didn't know but just because of the kids and to be safe
 
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Although I agree with Steve @ST4 up to a point,
inasmuch that they have really suffered on this.
I can't help thinking what the child went through at the time.

TBH if this had been physical abuse by either parent,
then "we" would be screaming for their blood.
I see this as another form of child abuse,
and should be treated as such, in the eyes of the law.

viv1969 said:
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And as such the penalties should be severe.
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Agreed

From the web

The maximum penalty for illegal possession of a prohibited dog is a fine of £5,000 and/or six months imprisonment.
 
Cobra said:
Although I agree with Steve @ST4 up to a point,
inasmuch that they have really suffered on this.
I can't help thinking what the child went through at the time.

TBH if this had been physical abuse by either parent,
then "we" would be screaming for their blood.
I see this as another form of child abuse,
and should be treated as such, in the eyes of the law.


Agreed

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The maximum penalty for illegal possession of a prohibited dog is a fine of £5,000 and/or six months imprisonment.
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That bit.... it just doesn't bare thinking about does it
 
Cg_Girl said:
I am surprised that nobody around in that estate knew it was illegal and didn't report it, or even report it even if they didn't know but just because of the kids and to be safe
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I don't know about that specific estate ( I don't reaklly know Dav other than to drive past) but I used to see a girl who lived in one of the rougher bits of northampton , and on her estate people would have known it was illegal and still not said anything because of the inherent 'no grassing' culture , and tbh it probably wouldnt have occured to them that someone would leave a child alone with it
 
Cg_Girl said:
Yes maybe they have suffered the worse punishment but at the same time they chose to have an illegal dog, there is a big difference to having a cute family pet with children than knowingly have an illegal and dangerous dog with children.

I am surprised that nobody around in that estate knew it was illegal and didn't report it, or even report it even if they didn't know but just because of the kids and to be safe
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It wouldn't surprise me if there were more owners with illegal dogs on the same estate, and usually they can be quite intimidating pieces of work. As I said in another post, there are estates in towns close to me, where it is very common to see "certain" types out and about with pitbull type dogs.
 
Parents lose children every day in tragic, but natural circumstances.
The owners of this dog should be made accountable for knowingly placing their child in harms way, and for the resulting death IMO.
 
big soft moose said:
I and tbh it probably wouldnt have occured to them that someone would leave a child alone with it
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TBH I don't think people per se,
would think that far ahead, or even, give that kind of scenario any thought.
 
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