Baby girl killed in dog attack in Daventry

I've not read that yet, just about too but I'm only around 10-12 miles from Dav, hate the place!
 
Here come all the "dogs are horrid, violent creatures" VS "it's how you raise them" comments... Popcorn time and sit back
 
ST4 said:
Only been down the M1, its fun when you go fast, I think it goes near by. Sounds a deeply unpleasant incident and unnecessary too.
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Going as fast as possibly and missing the M1 Dav turn off is the best move you can make lol
Reading the article it's awful and very sad
 
Very sad, but no more a reason for a dog ban than banning cars because of deaths caused by idiot drivers.
 
Cg_Girl said:
Going as fast as possibly and missing the M1 Dav turn off is the best move you can make lol
Reading the article it's awful and very sad
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I think it's a particularly bad one as they adults tried their best to restrain the dog, but it's not worked/they've not managed to. It goes to show, one moment nice family pet, the next moment your entire family in ruins and the hopes and dreams of one so young never realised. And I doubt a 6 month old can poke sticks at the dog, a nasty nasty animal this sounds for sure.

Re Daventry and M1, I do not think me driving as fast as possible is a good idea. We both know how that worked out the last time.
 
I think at this stage there is a lot of speculation and very little published facts on what actually happened.

Bit odd that both the dog and the baby were up at 22:30 in the evening.
 
ST4 said:
, I do not think me driving as fast as possible is a good idea. We both know how that worked out the last time.
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Yep Nothants police and crossing into the buckinghamshire area along that stretch,
both forces tend to be a "bit keen"
They love driving their "unmarked" cars fast down that stretch too ;)
But that's way off topic.

dejongj said:
I think at this stage there is a lot of speculation and very little published facts on what actually happened.
Bit odd that both the dog and the baby were up at 22:30 in the evening.
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I agree tis a bit odd, and yet again it wasn't the families dog, it was a relatives.
But I guess the "Truth" will out eventually.
 
dejongj said:
I think at this stage there is a lot of speculation and very little published facts on what actually happened.

Bit odd that both the dog and the baby were up at 22:30 in the evening.
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Maybe the baby was asleep.
 
ST4 said:
There's too much risk, I'd love to know the breed.
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From this quote so would

It is a wake-up call for people to make certain that when they select a dog it is a breed that has a good reputation and that they are able to control the dog.
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What difference does that make, there are some really nasty Labradors out there and they have a good reputation
 
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The main problem here is the fact the baby had gone to the house where the dog was, i'm guessing the parents were out for the night or something and uncle or aunt/ grandparents maybe were looking after the baby, certainly not saying you shouldn't take a child to a house with a dog but you do have to be extra vigilant because the dog isn't used to it, probably thinks it's a toy especially with babys jerky sudden movements, or moments of jealousy at all the attention this small person is getting
 
Tragic story, can only assume the dog was a 'house dog' and the door to where the baby was sleeping was open - so they could hear if it woke. Nobody will ever know why the dog did such a thing, but in the end, who cares? the parents of that baby have to live with the horror for the rest of their lives :( very sad
 
Det Sgt Gary Baker, who is leading the investigation, said:
Incidents such as these are extremely rare in this country, but that will be of little comfort to the relatives of this tragically young victim.
It is understood Northamptonshire Police have dealt with 62 instances of attacks involving dogs in the past two years.
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Sadly they are becoming far to common and hardly get more then a mention in the national press these days

Chris Over, from Daventry District Council, said the death was a "wake-up call" to bring back dog licensing
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Does he truly believe that a piece of paper is going to make any difference, dogs listed on the DDA are supposed to
be registered and licenced now but many aren't
 
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I don't know if it's more common or more reported @Gremlin but for sure people with young kids need to really reconsider dog ownership IMHO as these tragedies do happen
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A couple of years ago it was full on News, now it just seems to warrant half a page, often with no follow up
 
ST4 said:
I don't know if it's more common or more reported @Gremlin but for sure people with young kids need to really reconsider dog ownership IMHO as these tragedies do happen
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You have a point, up to a point Steve, but often you will find that people have a family dog,
before the sprogs come along, the average dog will live for around 12 years.
What do they / should they do? dump the dog when the Mrs get pregnant?
(I'm sure that does happen sometimes though)

Gremlin said:
A couple of years ago it was full on News, now it just seems to warrant half a page, often with no follow up
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Indeed :(
 
I wonder how many kids are knocked over,killed and maimed by speeding drivers in comparison to dog attacks?


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fracster said:
I wonder how many kids are knocked over,killed and maimed by speeding drivers in comparison to dog attacks?


:cautious:
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With just as little accountability in the long run because, after all, that's just accidents, right?
 
fracster said:
I wonder how many kids are knocked over,killed and maimed by speeding drivers in comparison to dog attacks?


:cautious:
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You missed out physical abuse by a "family member" ;)
 
Cobra said:
You missed out physical abuse by a "family member" ;)
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The thought never entered my head Chris. It was a perfectly rational question, if it offends you, with your mod coat on,then i`ll gladly delete the initial question Chris.
 
fracster said:
The thought never entered my head Chris. It was a perfectly rational question, if it offends you, with your mod coat on,then i`ll gladly delete the initial question Chris.
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It didn't offend me in the slightest, either personally or as a mod.
It was just another instance thrown into the equation.
Cars will never be banned, due to maiming or death on the road,
Parentage will never be banned due to the possibility of abuse.
I just wondered why you picked on speeding.
But I guess that was because Steve had posted.
 
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Cobra said:
It didn't offend me in the slightest, either personally or as a mod.
It was just another instance thrown into the equation.
Cars will never be banned, due to maiming or death on the road,
Parentage will never be banned due to the possibility of abuse.
I just wondered why you picked on speeding.
But I guess that was because Steve had posted.
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I posted the question due to the fact that Steve, once again, posts a thread about dog attacks with the sole intent of creating an argument, as he does with his inane posts about "dibble" and his constant defence of speeding motorists, yet you are the one to accuse people of trolling as you infer with your response to my question.

Double standards of the best Chris, what has happened to you mate?
 
fracster said:
The thought never entered my head Chris. It was a perfectly rational question, if it offends you, with your mod coat on,then i`ll gladly delete the initial question Chris.
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Oh...touchy Sunday? :lol:
 
fracster said:
I posted the question due to the fact that Steve, once again, posts a thread about dog attacks with the sole intent of creating an argument, as he does with his inane posts about "dibble" and his constant defence of speeding motorists, yet you are the one to accuse people of trolling as you infer with your response to my question.
Double standards of the best Chris, what has happened to you mate?
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I think you just read far too much into my posts Ade.
 
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Maybe Chris, if that is correct then I withdraw and apologise.
 
fracster said:
Maybe Chris, if that is correct then I withdraw and apologise.
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Thank heavens for that. The thread is about a dog attack, not driving or anything and I can assure you it is not to cause trouble. Now, you say I started this thread to cause trouble, I tell you I did not. Can you truthfully tell me that you didn't post that comment about speeding drivers because it was my thread I started or had it been someone else that started the thread, would you have posted that comment. My guess is not. Do me, and you a favour, just hit ignore.

However, asking the question I seem to read about more child related dog attacks than I do about children being killed by speeding/drunk/dangerous drivers these days.
 
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Cobra said:
You have a point, up to a point Steve, but often you will find that people have a family dog,
before the sprogs come along, the average dog will live for around 12 years.
What do they / should they do? dump the dog when the Mrs get pregnant?
(I'm sure that does happen sometimes though)


Indeed :(
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True, and I suspect however if the dog came after the child, there would not be an issue as the dog would always accept the child as "being there" and the child would not become an "interloper" into the dogs world. If people intent on having a family held off the pets until their children were older, these cases might be less or people were more mindful that if they HAVE to have a dog, to be more proactive with their childs safety.

The thought is in my mind, as my ex, who I am reasonably close with still has a big Rottie, and is due to give birth to her 1st born. The dogs a bit of a 'mare and well, she's had it 4 years and once the bairn comes I hope I don't read about her in the papers. I know how much she wants to be a parent blah blah and cannot help but see that dog as a risk. Put it this way, if she hadn't got that dog, her child wouldn't be less safe now would it?

Gremlin said:
A couple of years ago it was full on News, now it just seems to warrant half a page, often with no follow up
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I do not know why it is, perhaps because it is becoming less news worthy due to the regularity of these attacks and people are more used to it. It chills me to the bones these attacks as the death must be an utterly ghastly one to go through.
 
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ST4 said:
True, and I suspect however if the dog came after the child, there would not be an issue as the dog would always accept the child as "being there" and the child would not become an "interloper" into the dogs world. If people intent on having a family held off the pets until their children were older, these cases might be less or people were more mindful that if they HAVE to have a dog, to be more proactive with their childs safety.

The thought is in my mind, as my ex, who I am reasonably close with still has a big Rottie, and is due to give birth to her 1st born. The dogs a bit of a 'mare and well, she's had it 4 years and once the bairn comes I hope I don't read about her in the papers. I know how much she wants to be a parent blah blah and cannot help but see that dog as a risk. Put it this way, if she hadn't got that dog, her child wouldn't be less safe now would it?
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Who knows Steve?
There are so many variables, And I doubt that we will ever know the true answers to the (any) attacks on kids by the family pet.
As for your ex, as long as she is careful, and the dog knows its place,
I'm sure there will be no issues :)

My first born came into the house, when I had a Rotty x GDS.
And she could do anything with / to that dog (within reason of course ;) )
e.g. We, on more than one occasion found her on her hands and knee's along side the dog, with her head in his food bowl,
"sharing" (disgusting child :D )
But then the dog was always taught that it didn't eat until we said it could,
and had its food taken away mid "eat" as part of its training.

My second came along when we had a "monster sized" GSD,
and the same applied to him too, he did the same,
He would curl up on the dogs bed, with her, and would "share" her bones / chews etc (Anyone would think we didn't feed the kids :D )
But again, the "house training" included the food routine.
As this can be quite a contentious thing with dogs, and many issues can stem from food orientated problems.

Both dogs were very protective of the kids, but always knew that they "deferred" to me.

BTW both dogs came from rescue.
 
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True, and I suspect however if the dog came after the child, there would not be an issue as the dog would always accept the child as "being there" and the child would not become an "interloper" into the dogs world. If people intent on having a family held off the pets until their children were older, these cases might be less or people were more mindful that if they HAVE to have a dog, to be more proactive with their childs safety.

The thought is in my mind, as my ex, who I am reasonably close with still has a big Rottie, and is due to give birth to her 1st born. The dogs a bit of a 'mare and well, she's had it 4 years and once the bairn comes I hope I don't read about her in the papers. I know how much she wants to be a parent blah blah and cannot help but see that dog as a risk. Put it this way, if she hadn't got that dog, her child wouldn't be less safe now would it?



I do not know why it is, perhaps because it is becoming less news worthy due to the regularity of these attacks and people are more used to it. It chills me to the bones these attacks as the death must be an utterly ghastly one to go through.
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The death of any child is ghastly. ..irrespective of the cause.
 
Her dog is bloody wild mate, she, probably isn't as good/diligent an owner as you. She is now, but she'd leave it caged IMHO way too long, it would destroy her furniture, the postie was scared to come by the house etc. I think its settled down the now, but I do worry a bit even though the child is not mine and we split up a while ago. Still keep in touch. I'll ask a question, would your kids have been less safe without the dogs you had?

I see a lot of comments on the social media stuff, and people get out raged by these dog attacks. I am particularly anti dog, I do not like them, but so many do but are small kids, dogs really a good mix. You do hear of these attacks, at least 2 a year I reckon but there might be a lot more less serious ones but still quite ugly.

This one is bad, in particular as the adult was aware of it, but tried but failed to contain it. Should people with dogs learn a lot more of how to contain a situation if one develops?
 
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The death of any child is ghastly. ..irrespective of the cause.
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True - I wasn't saying it isn't... but I was more meaning the cause of death and the way the level of pain before death. Put it this way, if I could choose between the two forms of death for me, either my neck snapping and instantanous death in a car crash, or being mauled by a dog, I'd pick the former for me every time.
 
ST4 said:
Thank heavens for that. The thread is about a dog attack, not driving or anything and I can assure you it is not to cause trouble. Now, you say I started this thread to cause trouble, I tell you I did not. Can you truthfully tell me that you didn't post that comment about speeding drivers because it was my thread I started or had it been someone else that started the thread, would you have posted that comment. My guess is not. Do me, and you a favour, just hit ignore.

However, asking the question I seem to read about more child related dog attacks than I do about children being killed by speeding/drunk/dangerous drivers these days.
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Unfortunately we never read about the cause or the circumstances. I bet you that if we did the root cause would be humans.
 
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