AV,TV,or P for weddings???

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When shooting on Raw at a wedding is it best to shoot on P Mode or AV or TV.

What are the pro's and cons for each and which is the best for movement and differing lighting conditions?

Is it best to use a combination of these on Raw or stick to one. What is your advice.

Josephine:bonk:
 
Please don't take this too harshly Josephine but please, please don't even consider shooting a wedding (as a sole shooter) until you know your kit inside out.

To answer your question it depends on the shooting conditions and the shot that I want. I will move between Av, Tv and manual. I never shoot on P as my camera doesn't have one!

I'd suggest a very good book on shooting weddings by Mark Cleghorn and lot of practice first. :)
 
I agree with what AliB said. Get to know your camera. You should really be shooting in full manual to retain full control over your images.
 
i wouldn't stick to just one then again i don't have much experiences with shooting weddings
 
LOL

How about manual?

None of the settings are any better or worse in RAW or JPEG or any other format

Im going to maybee sound rude, but it is a bit like saying: I just passed a moped test, so when I go racing a GP car, next week, which has bucket seats in, should I use the indicators?
 
I have already done two Weddings for friends and although really hard work they turned out fine, and got recommendations on the strength on those to do 5 more. These were done on a mixture of Automatic and Manual for different parts of the day. I am aware that RAW is so much better than Jpeg regards quality so i am keen to shoot the next one which is in September on Raw. I'm spending every moment getting to grips with it so just needed some advice really on whether to Work on P Mode or stick to M.
 
I have already done two Weddings for friends and although really hard work they turned out fine, and got recommendations on the strength on those to do 5 more. These were done on a mixture of Automatic and Manual for different parts of the day. I am aware that RAW is so much better than Jpeg regards quality so i am keen to shoot the next one which is in September on Raw. I'm spending every moment getting to grips with it so just needed some advice really on whether to Work on P Mode or stick to M.

P - is for people taking it :D

Tv - is what you watch Eastenders on ;)

Av - is what you should 'av' (read as Have) as depth of field is usually your defining mode for anything - weddings included

Getting referrals to more weddings than you've shot suggests you're doing something right :clap:

When you've been at weddings long enough to know all you need, you'll realise that means you don't yet know enough - the learning process never stops but needs to start somewhere, just promise yourself to keep on trying to improve every wedding, every year and you'll do fine - but if the bookings stop, you've fk'd it up somewhere :(

DD
 
Thankyou to Ali B, Master T, Gary and Rchard for your useful advice. You never stop learning new techniques and everyone has to start somewhere even the Pros !! I must be doing something right or i wouldnt have got more weddings. And i'll admit i have a lot to learn.
 
I have already done two Weddings for friends and although really hard work they turned out fine, and got recommendations on the strength on those to do 5 more. These were done on a mixture of Automatic and Manual for different parts of the day. I am aware that RAW is so much better than Jpeg regards quality so i am keen to shoot the next one which is in September on Raw. I'm spending every moment getting to grips with it so just needed some advice really on whether to Work on P Mode or stick to M.


You dont change how you take pictures based on shooting in RAW or JPG. It's just a file format and makes no difference as to how you take pictures.. Only how you process them..
 
Hiya
Well I guess you've already proven you've got the ability to take a good photograph no matter if your using program mode settings or manual......because you've got recommendations for extra work off the back of the original happy couple !!! So well done !!

If they thought you were no good, then you would not have been recommended to other people....fact !!!

Don't get hung up on having to worry about having to shoot between program mode and manual.....shoot in program mode for the money shots and then you can switch to manual if you've got the time to get your settings correct for the creative ones.

You can have the most expensive kit with top of the range fast glass.......but if you aint got an eye for good composition.....stay at home !! lol

I have seen very good pictures taken on a point and shoot proving my very point !!!
 
Thankyou to Ali B, Master T, Gary and Rchard for your useful advice. You never stop learning new techniques and everyone has to start somewhere even the Pros !! I must be doing something right or i wouldnt have got more weddings. And i'll admit i have a lot to learn.

Thanks for that - glad I posted a hopefully useful comment then :(

;)

DD
 
very bad advice ...leading to this gem

I have seen very good pictures taken on a point and shoot proving my very point !!!

So have I ... But suppose you get to a wedding.. its pouring down with rain and you have been told no flash photography indoors... What do you do with a point and shoot then.. or P mode? Thats just one example..
 
Thanks for that - glad I posted a hopefully useful comment then :(

;)

DD
:lol: perhaps it's because you didn't say anything like 'get to know your kit first'.

All I'd have said is what others have said. JPG or RAW, shouldn't change what settings you use. Only how you process the file. So I'd say take some RAW pictures and check your ok with your process method. That depends on which software you use.
 
Kipax

As you quote from your website .......

"I DON'T DO WEDDINGS!
I don't do Christenings, Birthdays, Funerals etc


I don't have the equipment, Inclination or expertise to photograph a wedding. There is a reason photographers charge what they do for wedding photography. It's not just a matter of turn up take pictures and print them out. There is a few days work processing the pictures as well as the expertise required to do wedding photography to the standard required.

But by far the biggest reason I don't photograph weddings is the worry. I would hate to spoil your day by producing either poor photographs or worse still no photographs. I would worry and be unhappy for the whole time leading up to the day, Would worry on the day, be miserable, unhappy, grumpy and sweat like a pig.. I simply would not enjoy myself at all. Do you really want someone like that at your wedding?

I don't do weddings, I can't do weddings, I don't do family events of any description so ...

PLEASE DON'T ASK! "


..........the question to ask is why are you posting a response to a wedding query when you don't do weddings ???
 
..........the question to ask is why are you posting a response to a wedding query when you don't do weddings ???
Kipax is an experienced sports photographer, experienced enough to know that shooting a wedding can be damn difficult with numerous things that can go wrong. I think he is in a very god position to comment whether he does weddings or not.

He's probably more than capable of shooting a wedding and producing very good results. He just choses not to as it's not his thing.
 
the OP question relates to settings while shooting in RAW.. it doesnt matter if its a wedding or not..

the comments I did make re weddings are true... I replied re that a point and shoot can take good pics.. it can 100% I agree.. but I know that when you do a wedding you can come accross situations that a point and shoot or shooting in P mode is going to let you down.. or in simple terms.. be no use to you.

you dont need to be a wedding photographer to know these things.. just a reasonable understanding of photography IMHO :)


ps: cheers Rob :)
 
Kipax

As you quote from your website .......

"I DON'T DO WEDDINGS!
I don't do Christenings, Birthdays, Funerals etc


I don't have the equipment, Inclination or expertise to photograph a wedding. There is a reason photographers charge what they do for wedding photography. It's not just a matter of turn up take pictures and print them out. There is a few days work processing the pictures as well as the expertise required to do wedding photography to the standard required.

But by far the biggest reason I don't photograph weddings is the worry. I would hate to spoil your day by producing either poor photographs or worse still no photographs. I would worry and be unhappy for the whole time leading up to the day, Would worry on the day, be miserable, unhappy, grumpy and sweat like a pig.. I simply would not enjoy myself at all. Do you really want someone like that at your wedding?

I don't do weddings, I can't do weddings, I don't do family events of any description so ...

PLEASE DON'T ASK! "


..........the question to ask is why are you posting a response to a wedding query when you don't do weddings ???

Welcome to the forum :wave:

Although IMO questioning peoples motives to reply and help others without valid cause out is generally considered a bit rude :nono:
 
Joshephine - does your camera have an exposure control button/knob (compensation)

Use AV and then fine tune with the exp comp button - fastest way to work in any situation, regardless of the subject matter. It works with flash or without too.
 
Kipax is an experienced sports photographer, experienced enough to know that shooting a wedding can be damn difficult with numerous things that can go wrong. I think he is in a very god position to comment whether he does weddings or not.

He's probably more than capable of shooting a wedding and producing very good results. He just choses not to as it's not his thing.

:agree:

I don't do sports photography, but I'm pretty sure I have a good understanding of the complexities of doing so through being a photographer for over 30 years

Oh, and, I DON'T DO SPORTS PHOTOGRAPHY - SO DON'T ASK ;)

DD
 
I'm almost always on Av mode and just apply +/- EV as required. Manual doesn't suit the way I shoot.
 
There have been some useful replies from some of you (and some not quite as useful....) But thankyou to those who have tried to help me (diddy Dave your comments came before i had a chance to thank you.) and recognised that we never stop learning and it good to push ourselves out of our comfort zones. and have the courage to keep moving forward. This is the first time i have used a forum and thinks its a good way to discuss topics and get tips tricks and encouragement from other likeminded souls. To those who seem to enjoy mocking and ridiculing others. This can destroy confidence and is extremely unnecessary and unkind. if you cannot come up with a positive approach then don't reply......

Cheers

Jo
 
There have been some useful replies from some of you (and some not quite as useful....) But thankyou to those who have tried to help me (diddy Dave your comments came before i had a chance to thank you.) and recognised that we never stop learning and it good to push ourselves out of our comfort zones. and have the courage to keep moving forward. This is the first time i have used a forum and thinks its a good way to discuss topics and get tips tricks and encouragement from other likeminded souls. To those who seem to enjoy mocking and ridiculing others. This can destroy confidence and is extremely unnecessary and unkind. if you cannot come up with a positive approach then don't reply......

Cheers

Jo

name and shame dont generalise or everyone starts pointing fingers at each other... you might not like my reply but it was honest and i think helpful... yet i have no idea if your ahvign a pop at me or not in the above :(
 
Wow the histrionics are strong in this thread.

Jeez - let the girl breathe! If she's got a gig shooting a wedding good luck to her!

I'd go with the more calm responses, Josephine, though also manual is theoretically the best - it also means you can mess about with it to get your own effects. Personally I'm on a bit of a zoom-burst hit at the moment - a long exposure, and slowly move the zoom out to get a freaky action effect. Great fun. Though prolly not what people want from a wedding tog.
 
Hi

I've just had a gander at your site. Very Nice!

I like your style You do seem to capture the essence of a person in the images. Beautiful.......Do you swap between Manual and AV?

I think i've been making things a little complicated, when really they don't need to be.....

Thanks for your straight forward tip...
 
Hi Thanks Guys

I do have a second Shooter it's my partner. And we work together so we have two different angles on shots. We also have a spare Canon Body Each and Backups of EVERYTHING! I take a step ladder and all sorts of stuff some of which i use and some i don't. I also take studio lighting incase the weather is terrible and we have to do some portrait stuff at the reception venue. I tend to go to many lengths to ensure i have any eventuality covered. I don't do stress or disasters that could be avoided by a little forward thinking...
 
I nearly always shoot in manual mode, unless I can't keep up with the pace of fluctuating light levels. If the lighting is constant then manual mode can save so much grief. I would use spot metering and pick my own target for metering, then set my exposure from the spot meter. Sample exposures would be....

- metering from the palm of my hand at +1 1/3 stops;
- metering from the brightest part of the wedding dress at +2 2/3 stops (maybe +2 1/3 for safety);
- metering from grass at between -1 and 0 stops (chimp the wedding dress, and perhaps the sky, for blown highlights and fine tune);
- If it's a bright, clear, sunny day and you are outside then select a manual exposure based on the "Sunny 16 Rule". e.g. f/4, 100 ISO, 1/1600 or f/5.6, 100 ISO, f/5.6, 1/800.

However, if you do choose to shoot using autoexposure I would be tempted to use evaluative metering and let the camera earn its living. Make sure you enable "Safety Shift" to dig you out of the worst of the deep holes that autoexposure might create for you. As to the specific choice of autoexposure mode....

- Av gives you control of DOF, for a more creative image, but can result in some surprisingly unwelcome shutter speeds if you're not paying attention. It can also wreak havoc with your peace of mind if you use flash and automatically assume you'll get shake free shutter speeds. If you do shoot in Av mode then you must be aware of the shutter speed you end up with and be prepared to juggle the ISO to keep it within acceptable limits. If you have a preference for extreme aperture values then you need to think not only about shutter speeds but also whether you have sufficient DOF. Too much DOF is far less of a problem than too little.

- Tv gives you control of movement/motion and you can certainly choose speeds that keep you above a shakey camera threshold, but you need to watch that you DOF doesn't become unacceptably shallow, or that you hit massive diffraction softening limits by pushing the lens to f/22 or f/32. Again you'll need to keep an eye on what the camera is giving you in case you need to change ISO to get a more acceptable mix.

- P should choose the most middle of the road combinations it can, avoiding excessive extremes of aperture or shutter speed. It will also ensure your shutter speed does not drop below 1/60 if you turn on the flash. It is the least creative mode, with the least control, but probably provides the largest safety net for getting a useable, if relatively unexciting, image.

As far as the actual exposure levels are concerned, any of the three AE modes will give you the same brightness levels so you need to pick whichever metering mode and AE mode best suits your shooting style and your willingness to get involved and override the camera when the need arises.

I'm not familiar with the Rebel series so I don't know how quick/easy it is to make exposure adjustments on the fly. With my 30D/40D/50D/1D3 it is a cinch to adjust any of aperture, shutter, ISO or exposure compensation and flash exposure compensation very quickly, and from the 40D onwards I have ISO displayed in the viewfinder as well, which is also a plus.

I don't know what your flash solution is but that does open another can of worms. Usually it's best to set a manual exposure for the ambient/background light and then you only have to worry about tweaking the FEC for your subject. On autoexposure you'll potentially have to juggle EC and FEC to get the right lighting balance. That's more than I want to have to deal with from one shot to the next.

You'll also need to ensure your shutter speed remains within no more than you flash sync speed, which might be a challenge outdoors in bright sunshine. For example, on a Rebel your max sync speed is 1/200. If you don't have a flash with High Speed Sync built in then you will need to shoot at f/11 and 100 ISO to get your 1/200 shutter speed without overexposing the background. f/11 will severely limit the power of your flash, rendering the popup flash useful as a fill only up to about 1.5m away. A 580EX, aimed directly, should still be good for up to 7m with an f/11 aperture and 100 ISO. Of course, a 580EX also has High Speed Sync, so you would not need to stop down to f/11 to limit the shutter speed.
 
There'll be situations where it's best to use Manual and meter off the path or grass, or a face (with +1 stop compensation).

Edit: Post #37 should give you the homework you want. Does your camera's auto metering preserve or blow highlights? What happens if the couple are framed by a dark church porch interior?
 
Reading this thread, i have to say its much calmer than 99% of the wedding threads on here but one thing sticks out to me.


When shooting on Raw at a wedding is it best to shoot on P Mode or AV or TV.

What are the pro's and cons for each and which is the best for movement and differing lighting conditions?

Is it best to use a combination of these on Raw or stick to one. What is your advice.

Josephine:bonk:

From this I would guess that your new to photography and haven't yet fully working everything out ie how the settings work, what effects you can get etc etc...

Hi Thanks Guys

I do have a second Shooter it's my partner. And we work together so we have two different angles on shots. We also have a spare Canon Body Each and Backups of EVERYTHING! I take a step ladder and all sorts of stuff some of which i use and some i don't. I also take studio lighting incase the weather is terrible and we have to do some portrait stuff at the reception venue. I tend to go to many lengths to ensure i have any eventuality covered. I don't do stress or disasters that could be avoided by a little forward thinking...

This make you sound like you know what your doing or aleast are prepared for professional weddings as opposed to an amatuer with just thier SLR.

which honestly makes me wonder which you are and if you genually need the advice your after or saw some similure threads and decided to stir up the forums.

I have not offered help as im not a wedding tog and it has been pointed out the file type doesnt not affect the exposure settings.
 
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