Assange, Ecuador, £6 million minimum

andy700 said:
Do you realise that it is this attitude, and not the whistleblowing of people like Assange which is the BIG problem?
It is this attitude, that the West is laying down the law for others, but actually ignoring due process of the law, which is causing so many deaths around the World.
Every time the US (or for that matter any country) carries out a drone strike and kills innocent people, or puts a bag over someone's head and whisks them off to Guantanamo, or takes them to an undisclosed place in Africa or Eastern Europe to torture them, this behaviour causes more people to hate the West, and in turn helps recruit more terrorists for organisations like ISIS.
You would like to see this kind of behaviour continue, so I take it that you would have no objection if someone "made a mistake" and had you or someone you care for "whisked off to some unholy place", where you will be presumed guilty and held there for an indefinite period without legal representation or trial.
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Read #119 above …….. I also suggested in my earlier thread that the best solution is for the Ecuadorian to grant him citizenship and then make him a diplomat to get him out of the country

He serves no purpose by being in the UK and the UK should not be lumber with the problems that he has created, (or the cost)
 
BillN_33 said:
I did not mean "whisked off" to the UK/US/Swedish Government - I mean't to Ecuador …… to end this sad saga ……… it is clear that he does not want to face any law
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When you say whisked off "to some unholy place", it absolutely doesn't sound like Ecuador is what's intended.

In the case of Assange I need to separate person from actions. There's a lot of ego, some womanising, a lot of things that make him arguably dislikable as a person. But in terms of acting in protection of and furtherance of society, of the people, for the people, by the people, he is to be applauded. States today want to know chapter and verse of emails, documents, travel habits - every triviality of the lives of the people, and yet demand that their own actions should be secret, and free from scrutiny. It should be the other way around, and people like Assange help with that, bringing the dirty laundry into the light.

"When governments fear the people there is liberty. When the people fear the government there is tyranny".
 
BillN_33 said:
He serves no purpose by being in the UK and the UK should not be lumber with the problems that he has created, (or the cost)
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It's hardly his fault - the UK could let him go any time, but the state powers choose not to do so. It is with them that we should take up any beef about the money spent / wasted on it.
 
andy700 said:
Do you realise that it is this attitude, and not the whistleblowing of people like Assange which is the BIG problem?
It is this attitude, that the West is laying down the law for others, but actually ignoring due process of the law, which is causing so many deaths around the World.
Every time the US (or for that matter any country) carries out a drone strike and kills innocent people, or puts a bag over someone's head and whisks them off to Guantanamo, or takes them to an undisclosed place in Africa or Eastern Europe to torture them, this behaviour causes more people to hate the West, and in turn helps recruit more terrorists for organisations like ISIS.
You would like to see this kind of behaviour continue, so I take it that you would have no objection if someone "made a mistake" and had you or someone you care for "whisked off to some unholy place", where you will be presumed guilty and held there for an indefinite period without legal representation or trial.
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Exactly the case. The USA reap what they sew. Rather than be a bastion of liberty and freedom, this is a nation that undertakes illegal wars, illegal kidnapping, illegal torture, internment without trial etc. Every person that helps demonstrate to the world the double-standards of the US deserves a pat on the back in my opinion.
 
we need a "don't like" button - that would be a democratic thing to have
 
it is very cold on Ardnamurchan tonight.
 
BillN_33 said:
sea should be warm!
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just downed a bottle of red mate, no sea shore wanderings for me tonight. Just turned the central heating up......:-)
 
Money well spent or not we can argue, but the American public might as well blame Germany for the cost of the NSA spying - it's not Merkel's choice to have her phone tapped.
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Naw, Obarmy and Merky would have to slug it out over who did the spying on each other first.
Although, to be fair, the other news involved bears and woods. A bit like wikileaks to be honest.
80% diplomatic chit chat, that we all do, and 20% putting US servicemen at risk.
 
Bernie174 said:
Naw, Obarmy and Merky would have to slug it out over who did the spying on each other first.
Although, to be fair, the other news involved bears and woods. A bit like wikileaks to be honest.
80% diplomatic chit chat, that we all do, and 20% putting US servicemen at risk.
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:rolleyes:
 
Bernie174 said:
Naw, Obarmy and Merky would have to slug it out over who did the spying on each other first.
Although, to be fair, the other news involved bears and woods. A bit like wikileaks to be honest.
80% diplomatic chit chat, that we all do, and 20% putting US servicemen at risk.
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